Should P. Diddy's son return his scholarship money?

[Evilpigeon]

Scholarship money should really only be given out to people who would struggle to pay their way otherwise, I mean it's incredibly expensive to go to University in the US anyway. I'm sure there are plenty of worthy candidates out there who'd really struggle otherwise. Education is something you want to spread as much as possible.

 

[somonels]

This is the difference between america and the more 'socialist' countries of the EU.

... But I'm not American.

No, you aren't 'America,' the comparison was between the general American and some European mentalities.

This is the difference between the United States and Europe: if you shoot an intruder in Europe everyone will go all "Oh my God, why didn't you just sit in a corner and kept quiet, he probably didn't want to harm you, he is only leeching of the taxpayer's money during the day and stealing the plasma screen you worked hard to get, but that doesn't matter because he was probably poor and he is entitled to your money and the things you have worked for even though he is a parasite who doesn't contribute to society!"

If you kill the intruder with a baseball bat (takes a lot more brutality) nobody cares.

No, the first thing they ask in EU is "Where did you get that gun?" But I do agree with you in the context of your example, self-defence laws are both strict and fairly pathetic in Europe, not to mention the social reprocussions you could take from the media and the obligatory investigations against your actions.
In my home, I am king, and I joyously hand out death sentences for the smallest infractions.

 

[ElPatron]

If he returns the money, UCLA can then use it to recruit someone else they otherwise couldn't.

Someone else who doesn't play as good as him. Sounds legit.

Perhaps if he returns the money it will be given to another dude who was born in a rich family anyway. It won't go to poor students just because they are poor, it's because of merit.

Scholarship money should really only be given out to people who would struggle to pay their way otherwise

If those students can't get access to financial aid and wanted a scholarship earned with merit maybe they should consider being better at sports than P. Diddy's son.

 

[Cavan]

When I get my college diploma I am not giving my jobs to unqualified people just because they are poor. Sorry if that is selfish, but a highschool drop-out trying to be an engineer might get people killed.

I liked this bit especially, it's a pretty hardcore straw man. "Oh well if I didn't give that job to the best then the guy who did get it would be DANGEROUS because he's unqualified and poor! you don't want a DANGEROUS engineer running around do you?" Is essentially what you just said.

I also liked the other part where this thread slowly became about trying to justify things by glorifying America and writing little situational jokes about why the EU must suck.

Not that I even disagree with him getting the money, I just found it all pretty funny.

 

[nolongerhere]

I already agree with you just because you said "socialist".

This is the difference between the United States and Europe: if you shoot an intruder in Europe everyone will go all "Oh my God, why didn't you just sit in a corner and kept quiet, he probably didn't want to harm you, he is only leeching of the taxpayer's money during the day and stealing the plasma screen you worked hard to get, but that doesn't matter because he was probably poor and he is entitled to your money and the things you have worked for even though he is a parasite who doesn't contribute to society!"

If you kill the intruder with a baseball bat (takes a lot more brutality) nobody cares.

Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with you?

OT: The kid shouldn't have to give it back. He got it because the school wanted him on it's team. I mean, he's incredibly lucky to live in a society where that skill-set can make you that much money, but he still earned it.

 

[Evilpigeon]

Scholarship money should really only be given out to people who would struggle to pay their way otherwise

If those students can't get access to financial aid and wanted a scholarship earned with merit maybe they should consider being better at sports than P. Diddy's son.

Money on them not having the same opportunities, facilities etc available to them. Who gives a shit that he's slightly better, he can come anyway, you give him a place at the Uni, recognise his excellence and then save the doling out of money to other worthy candidates (perhaps slightly less so but you're now getting two highly talented players, not one) for whom it'll actually make a difference.

Scholarships are there one purpose really, to get people to attend who otherwise would not. What's the point of awarding him so much money?

Who cares whether he earnt it, as Mortai said, he's not exactly providing a service that's actually worth pay.

And it's illegal to call "engineer" to someone who isn't, like you, me,or highschool drop outs. But since this is Europe, people who aren't actually engineers can be called that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_S%C3%B3crates#S.C3.B3crates.E2.80.93Independente_affair

GG no re.

Somebody lied about their degree in Portugal, I don't see how this means that said act was condoned, the university was shutdown because of it.

I'm confused.

 

[ElPatron]

Cop out. His achievements are not worth that much, they did not benefit people that much.

So basically what you are saying is that we should get benefits from his skills? We are not entitled to benefit from his work.

Why don't you ask that prick C. Ronaldo a piece of his salary?

Just because he is the son of P. Diddy it means he can't have a normal job to pay for his own college? He will play sports, which isn't exactly a "normal" job but college students work to pay their own debts and just because his daddy is famous it doesn't mean he can't work for his money.

When I get my college diploma I am not giving my jobs to unqualified people just because they are poor. Sorry if that is selfish, but a highschool drop-out trying to be an engineer might get people killed.

I liked this bit especially, it's a pretty hardcore straw man. "Oh well if I didn't give that job to the best then the guy who did get it would be DANGEROUS because he's unqualified and poor! you don't want a DANGEROUS engineer running around do you?" Is essentially what you just said.

Except it wasn't. I said people don't deserve merits on their financial situations.

And it's illegal to call "engineer" to someone who isn't, like you, me,or highschool drop outs. But since this is Europe, people who aren't actually engineers can be called that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_S%C3%B3crates#S.C3.B3crates.E2.80.93Independente_affair

GG no re.

Cpt. Haddock

That is my reaction to every time I turn on the TV and watch people who want to be entitled to what others have worked for.

Who cares whether he earnt it, as Mortai said, he's not exactly providing a service that's actually worth pay.

And so isn't C. Ronaldo, who is making millions and I don't feel like he should share his money with me.

Perhaps it's the time we accept that just because it's called a "scholarship" doesn't mean "free money that should be going to poor people". He will be playing sports and his scholarship is his reward.

People work jobs to pay for college. What's the difference?

 

[Yopaz]

A person who is brilliant is going to miss out on college because the fund went to this guy?

More like someone didn't get a scholarship because someone was better. This shouldn't be that much of a deal. He get to go to college because he earned a scholarship. He has worked for it. If you say he doesn't deserve money because he already has money it's kinda like an argument for piracy. Yeah, I didn't buy Modern Warfare 3 because they already have money and don't deserve my money. Fuck that whoever works for their money deserves their money. It's a shame that someone not as rich might miss out because of this, but that's how the world goes.

 

[Ralen-Sharr]

yes he earned it and should get credit for that
also he should pass that scholarship on to someone that wouldn't be able to go to college otherwise

IMO scholarships are for those who would not be able to go to college without them, if someone could wipe their ass with 100 dollar bills without batting an eye, they really don't need the scholarship and shouldn't take one.

 

[4173]

If he returns the money, UCLA can then use it to recruit someone else they otherwise couldn't.

Someone else who doesn't play as good as him. Sounds legit.

Perhaps if he returns the money it will be given to another dude who was born in a rich family anyway. It won't go to poor students just because they are poor, it's because of merit.

Football teams are really large, so yes, simply being a less player than Combs doesn't mean someone wouldn't be valuable to the team. Entirely legit.

It's not important that the guy isn't as good as Combs. The guy just needs to be better than who they'd get if Combs keeps the money.

Your second point is true, but a) he probably won't be P.Diddy rich b) then the same thing may apply to him.

 

[Giftfromme]

fucking shit christ that is a lot of money. 54k?! fuck. my friend who is doing a fucking phd for 3 years only got 6k from the uni to do it.

 

[evenest]

A nice gesture from P.Diddy would be donating a like amount or even more to the school during the same period his son receives the scholarship so that another kid who may be from less fortunate circumstances could also attend the school.

I don't think a child should be punished for the sins or the circumstances of the parent.

 

[Evilpigeon]

Who cares whether he earnt it, as Mortai said, he's not exactly providing a service that's actually worth pay.

And so isn't C. Ronaldo, who is making millions and I don't feel like he should share his money with me.

Perhaps it's the time we accept that just because it's called a "scholarship" doesn't mean "free money that should be going to poor people". He will be playing sports and his scholarship is his reward.

People work jobs to pay for college. What's the difference?

Well footballers pay is astronomical, they probably shouldn't be paid as much as they are. Really that's irrelevant to what I've actually been saying in my posts.

A job and a scholarship serve different purposes though. I'm not talking about awarding the money to some random person of the street here, I'm talking about awarding it to the best candidate who actually needs it. Use the money to give someone a better shot at life, rather than giving it to someone whose family is gonna pay his way through anyway. You keep trying to drag me into a separate argument, I'm talking about social mobility and wealth distribution though america seems to have trouble with that concept.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/11/poverty-america-likely-worse-report

I don't think that just because your parents have or don't have money you should be judged the same as them. I ended up with a rubbish student loan because my parent's were pretty well off, and so they had to support me through university. The original plan had been for me to make my own way, and I was looking forward to that independence.

So I also got the short end of the stick with my student loan. But then again I really doubt I'd be able to go at all if my Dad's qualification hadn't been paid for by the government because my grandparents stood no chance at all of paying. Where do you get more value from the money, let someone who wouldn't otherwise go to university or give me more money to piss away on booze? I know what I'd like but that's different

 

[Trippy Turtle]

He earned it. It would be extremely nice of him to give it to someone else but he should not feel the least bit guilty for not doing so.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

I don't think that just because your parents have or don't have money you should be judged the same as them. I ended up with a rubbish student loan because my parent's were pretty well off, and so they had to support me through university. The original plan had been for me to make my own way, and I was looking forward to that independence.

What you promote when you judge children by their parents' wealth is a society where the rich are more dependent on their parents for longer, and that is a bad bad idea. We don't need more 25 year old man children still living with their folks, we need people to have left the nest and be making their own way by then.

 

[malestrithe]

I'm not conflicted by this. The kid earned the scholarship and gets to keep the money because of that reason alone. The school though having the kid would benefit it in some small way.

However, because this is slowly becoming a national debate, it would be in the school's and Shawn's best interest to come up with a compromise of some sort. Allow the kid to keep his scholarship, but set up a scholarship to help a less fortunate kid go to school. Or make a blanket donation to the school for 250,000 dollars to help 5 kids achieve their dreams. Or something.

Not an ideal solution, but compromise is how the world works.

 

[ElPatron]

Your second point is true, but a) he probably won't be P.Diddy rich b) then the same thing may apply to him.

I don't know. It's pretty possible for the sons of the multimillionaires to be "bred for success" (as in "this company has been in our family for generations" rich, not "I got rich in the dot.com business 5 years ago" rich) and therefore it's possible that the money would end up in the hands of a blonde white guy with a manly chin and an expensive suit like you see in highschool dramas.

A job and a scholarship serve different purposes though.

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You keep trying to drag me into a separate argument, I'm talking about social mobility and wealth distribution though america seems to have trouble with that concept.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/11/poverty-america-likely-worse-report

It's still a contract. In my eyes he's just paying for his own education by working for the sports industry now.


Poverty is a big deal in America and one of the biggest reasons for the high crime rates. But I am not going to say that wealth distribution is the answer because I could write a rant about how uneven wealth distribution is anywhere in the world. Here in Portugal my social stratus is endangered - the middle class is vanishing quickly and we are losing the rights we won by kicking out fascism.

 

[Evilpigeon]

A job and a scholarship serve different purposes though.

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You keep trying to drag me into a separate argument, I'm talking about social mobility and wealth distribution though america seems to have trouble with that concept.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jan/11/poverty-america-likely-worse-report

It's still a contract. In my eyes he's just paying for his own education by working for the sports industry now.


Poverty is a big deal in America and one of the biggest reasons for the high crime rates. But I am not going to say that wealth distribution is the answer because I could write a rant about how uneven wealth distribution is anywhere in the world. Here in Portugal my social stratus is endangered - the middle class is vanishing quickly and we are losing the rights we won by kicking out fascism.

Aight, can we leave it as agree to disagree then

As to wealth distribution, America also has a lot more money and a better GDP per capita (more money per person) than portugal. Wikipedia says over 2x as much as of 2011. When your average is $48,000 there shouldn't be articles talking about how 27% of households are earning less than $15,000.

Equal pay for everyone is probably a bad idea but the top end especially is ridiculous and often undeserved. (Why do people high up in companies make so much money, is it because they're that valuable to the company? Nah, it's because beyond a certain point they just gt to set their own wages.)

Can't say I know too much about portugal, though I know Spain's gone to shit and I'd guess that your economies are pretty linked.

 

[Grant Stackhouse]

He can do whatever he wants to. His dad is a celebrity. He is not. It seems rather cruel for total strangers to be micro-analyzing this guys life decisions when he has not yet done anything to show a craving for the public eye.

Side-Note: Man, why are athletic scholarships so generous? I went to college on an academic scholarship, and all I got was a lousy 4k. Balls.