Should P. Diddy's son return his scholarship money?
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My opinion, he shouldn't have to give it away for any reason. You earn it, you get to keep it. This was all done fair and square. If he uses the money to better himself then right on, good to see not all celebrity parents are letting their kids get everything they want because the kids believe money isn't important. He's working hard and having to do alot of work, not just in the playing sports, but you have to do alot of writing and work for those scholarships!
That being said, if he can find a way to get the money to an actual teammate who may be less fortunate, then he would be a class-freaking-act in my book. Not exactly something that can be done, but who knows?
That being said, if he can find a way to get the money to an actual teammate who may be less fortunate, then he would be a class-freaking-act in my book. Not exactly something that can be done, but who knows?
Here's the question with this merit based scholarship: Who is it helping? Not really anyone by going to this kid, it's just giving him money so he'll have 2-ply $100 bills to wipe his butt with. Give it to someone who can do some good with the money, who can benefit society.
Who says he couldn't benefit society? I could use scholarships and grants but I don't spite everyone who got ones I applied for. He could use his education and his dad's influence/money to do some great things and help alot of people. Situations like this are more about learning and forming someone young than about money. Like I said he deserves it, but if he turns it down or gives it to someone else then bonus points.Xan Krieger said:
The thing is, alot of kids whose parents have just as much money get scholarships for a multitude of reasons. Suddenly it's a rapper's kid and everyone cares. I have a friend whose dad makes about 5 mil a year. He still told his son to get good grades and apply for scholarships and grants. He did this even though he could easily pay for all four years because he wanted to teach his son how hard it was to pay for college and to add an extra incentive to do well.
False. If they offered him a scholarship because he is good enough, then he takes up a roster spot anyway if he returns it and walks on. Rosters have a defined number of players allowed per team and that scholarship would in fact sit on the shelf collecting dust, because if they offer it to another kid, and it comes down to P Diddy's kid vs random scholarship player, then either way they are out a player they thought would benefit the program.4173 said:
Not really. They would cut the least desired player on the roster. The choice isn't between Combs and "poor kid", it's between "poor kid/Combs" versus some last minute walk-on. So unless UCLA is in the habit of offering $50k scholarships to their entire roster it wouldn't be an issue.crazyarms33 said:
4173 said:
It's not between a last minute walk on either. Combs is clearly good enough to deserve a scholarship in the coaching staff's opinion. It would be a choice between two scholarship quality athletes taking out a walk-on's place. In fact, if he DOES turn it in, you could argue that actually hurts the chances of a walk on player eventually earning a scholarship as Combs would be taking up a roster spot, regardless of if he has a scholarship or not.
Try thinking about it this way, if a walk on was good enough to be on the team, taking Combs' scholarship away and giving it to another play will eventually screw someone else over. What is the difference between that kid being screwed? Ultimately I don't understand this type of thinking...
"He earned it but his dad is rich! He shouldn't have one!" because money and athletic ability have about zero in common when it comes to how athletic scholarships are awarded at a big time program. Bottom line: Combs apparently can play football well enough for the university to want to make money off of his athletic prowess. He has earned the right that every other scholarship athlete has to attend the university at no cost. If you want to be mad, be mad at the university. To blame Combs and say he should return a deserved reward for his hours of hard work is silly to me.
It seems to me four things are evident.
1. He earned that scholarship
2. He deserves to whatever he wants with the money he earned
3. America needs to sort its education system the fuck out. It should not cost that much money to go to university.
4. Most people here don't understand how athletic scholarships work and are ignoring the multidue of posts where its explained.
1. He earned that scholarship
2. He deserves to whatever he wants with the money he earned
3. America needs to sort its education system the fuck out. It should not cost that much money to go to university.
4. Most people here don't understand how athletic scholarships work and are ignoring the multidue of posts where its explained.
You've completely lost the thread of what I was saying. I'm not talking about care, or fair, or deserve.crazyarms33 said:
If Combs (or his father) value winning football games more highly than the $50k than he could increase the team's talent level by returning the scholarship. He pays to attend the school and keeps the roster spot he would have used regardless. But now the scholarship could be used to entice a player, who was thinking of going to another school because that school offered a scholarship, to come to UCLA instead.
I never said it was or wasn't something Combs to do, simply that purely from a winning football point of view, returning the scholarship may improve the odds of the team's success.
being from a low income home this makes me rather sick seeing hes getting the money considering his parents. Now yes, he earned it im sure, and yes, he's using it (I hope) to good school use.
so I would say, despite my personal feelings, he should keep the money as long as it goes to school and he earns it. But, my personal feelings also say he shouldnt get help form mom and dad, or at least not substantial help, because come on, your dad can pay for your education out of pocket and it wouldnt hurt him. lets be a little fair to the rest of the population who doesnt have a rich family (cause im sure his name had somehting to do with it, and dont say it didnt, cause thats like saying your race or creed or criminal history doenst have something to do with being hired. it does, though it legally shouldnt).
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Now, I dont know P-Diddy;s net worth, but I'm guessing hes at least worth, 5M being extremely undervaluing and conservative with it. Now you compare this to a household where the family barely makes over 34K a year,a nd suddenly 54 isnt such a tiny number. To whatever the kids name is, 54K will always be chump change. he was raised with money, He's pretty much assured to die with money, and its likely he'll always be surrounded by money. But to people who dont come from wealthy families, that number is everything but tiny. thats a saving grace. comparing it to what a national had give to evven attempt to right itself is just Hyperbole.
so I would say, despite my personal feelings, he should keep the money as long as it goes to school and he earns it. But, my personal feelings also say he shouldnt get help form mom and dad, or at least not substantial help, because come on, your dad can pay for your education out of pocket and it wouldnt hurt him. lets be a little fair to the rest of the population who doesnt have a rich family (cause im sure his name had somehting to do with it, and dont say it didnt, cause thats like saying your race or creed or criminal history doenst have something to do with being hired. it does, though it legally shouldnt).
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Why yes, 54 THOUSAND is a tiny amount to even 1 BILLION (which you know is actually less than what was given, but I odnt know the actual number of the top of my head and this makes the math a little easier). its a little over half a million, which itself is only 1/1000 of a Billion, so really this kid is getting a little over .5/1000. Especially when you consider those BILLIONS had to support a NATION of people that is now over 300 Million citizens, where this 54K is only for ONE person who ddint even need to really go to college with his daddys money behind him. Meanwhile those Billions HAD to be given if you didnt want a nation of people, and subsequently the world (global markets and all).dyre said:
Now, I dont know P-Diddy;s net worth, but I'm guessing hes at least worth, 5M being extremely undervaluing and conservative with it. Now you compare this to a household where the family barely makes over 34K a year,a nd suddenly 54 isnt such a tiny number. To whatever the kids name is, 54K will always be chump change. he was raised with money, He's pretty much assured to die with money, and its likely he'll always be surrounded by money. But to people who dont come from wealthy families, that number is everything but tiny. thats a saving grace. comparing it to what a national had give to evven attempt to right itself is just Hyperbole.
So long as he earned it fairly, it's his. Give the kid a break, he can't help the fact that he was born into obscene wealth. Stupid, freaking, genetic jackpot winner...
If he earned it he should keep it. If I was P Diddy(which I just might be, who are you to say) I would donate the same money that the scholarship would have costed, to a worthy cause like cancer research. To send the message that earning things(like the scholarship) is very good, and so is supporting worthy causes with your earned wealth.
Nope, he earned it, simple as that. It's a football scholarship, if you want it, then you work for it, he obviously did.
Did his dad's money help him get to be as good as he is? Most likely. Does it take away from the fact that he is as good as he is? Nope.
If anything, this may be a pretty swred move on UCLA's part beyond the recruitement. Yo already have a very wealthy future alumnus to come to when donation time rolls about. Not to mention all the increased revenue you get from people buying ticket's to see "Diddy's son" play. Then there is the free publicity the school gets by having P. Diddy's son there. All that money generated could result in an increase in money awarded or number of scholarships given out overall.
In the end, some people will be upset simply because he's rich. I admit, I'm jealous of the lifestyle he lives too, but it the fact is he got something by working for it. That's how things should work in the world; yo uwant something, you work for it.
Did his dad's money help him get to be as good as he is? Most likely. Does it take away from the fact that he is as good as he is? Nope.
If anything, this may be a pretty swred move on UCLA's part beyond the recruitement. Yo already have a very wealthy future alumnus to come to when donation time rolls about. Not to mention all the increased revenue you get from people buying ticket's to see "Diddy's son" play. Then there is the free publicity the school gets by having P. Diddy's son there. All that money generated could result in an increase in money awarded or number of scholarships given out overall.
In the end, some people will be upset simply because he's rich. I admit, I'm jealous of the lifestyle he lives too, but it the fact is he got something by working for it. That's how things should work in the world; yo uwant something, you work for it.
He shouldn't have to return the money. His father's money is his father's money. The kid earned it, so he should have it. Saying he shouldn't have it is like saying that if someone is rich, they should work for free.
It would be a really cool move for him to not accept the money, but it would be financially stupid, regardless of his father's money. Although, people would practically call him a saint for turning down $54000 for someone who needs it more.
Basically, he can turn it down and look awesome, or he can accept it and know he earned his education on his own.
It would be a really cool move for him to not accept the money, but it would be financially stupid, regardless of his father's money. Although, people would practically call him a saint for turning down $54000 for someone who needs it more.
Basically, he can turn it down and look awesome, or he can accept it and know he earned his education on his own.
Without reading all of this - he earned it and should keep it, but his dad should donate a matching amount to the school just to fund something that might help someone who really needs a financial boost to be able to have a similar opportunity - preferably someone with comparable merit qualifications and a financial need. That would be the classy thing, in my opinion.