Should the Internet be Policed?

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In the real world, if a man ran around a public building, pasting pictures of children being sodomised onto the walls, people would call the police and he would be put in jail for a long time. On the internet, his pictures are taken down, and he's kicked from the website (until he puts on a disguise and comes back).

In the real world, if someone broke into Sony's headquarters, stole tens of thousands of credit cards + account details and then drove away, a SWAT team and fleet of police choppers would be in hot pursuit. On the internet, the police find out a few weeks later, and none of them can do anything.

In the real world, if someone replaced a children's show with hardcore pornography, he would be immediately fired and face criminal charges. On the internet, he's just a prankster who spawned a funny meme.

In the real world, when there's someone caught shoplifting, shop security detains them and the police are called. On the internet, shop security doesn't even exist, and millions of people shoplift so often that it's the moral equivalent of not cleaning up after your dog in the park. So unenforced people aren't even sure it's a crime any more.


Hopefully you see my point. I value the uniquely uncensored nature of the Internet as much as the next guy, and I'm cautious of letting the stupidity of the modern social system seep into it. Internet laws/regulations should be handled very carefully to ensure they're not exploited.
But still, I don't understand people who believe the Internet should be an anarchy. A playground for scammers and spammers and blackhat hackers and pedophiles. If we accept that police should be around to deter criminals in real life (which I'm assuming you do), why shouldn't there be police on the internet to deter cybercrime?

And if you agree, why is there always such massive resistance to any attempt to regulate the internet? I understand that people are concerned about losing their anonymity, but you can't exactly expect to have your cake and eat it too. As long as everyone's anonymous, so are the criminals. If anonymity is really so important, why isn't it a serious issue in real life? You never hear about people passionately demanding the right to wear a balaclava at all times in public, or get a passport without having to give their real name and address.

The number of cybercrimes being committed is rising very fast, and their scale and complexity is ever-increasing. And I think it's our attachment to anonymity (which is really just an exploitable loophole of the Internet's design that we've all grown accustomed to, rather than a human right) that's paving the way for it. If there isn't some sort of international framework for catching cybercriminals put in place soon, the whole Internet will be at the mercy of 12-year-old kids with highly advanced botnets.

That's my opinion, anyway.
I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say, because I'm actually doing a thesis on this topic. So don't be afraid to disagree (as long as your counter-argument has a factual or logical basis).
 

Zack Alklazaris

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Yes there needs to be a "internet" police or at the very least a more organized section of laws on internet usage.

But I really don't want it to happen, I am enjoying these years of "Old West" style internet and I will be saddened when its gone.
 

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I'm pretty sure all those things you listed are illegal in most jurisdictions and are enforced to a certain extent, however there's only a certain amount the resource limited police can concentrate their energy on and often more serious real world crimes are higher priority. Internet crimes aren't easy to prosecute either even if you go to the effort of tracking the perps down either, as in most courts an IP address isn't enough evidence for a conviction so forensics are needed, pushing up the costs further. I'm going to be honest here and say the only one of those crimes you listed that I really think is worth tracking down is the CP. I have no love for pirates or hackers, but I don't think their crimes are normally worth spending our taxes to find, unless they've been stealing real money I suppose.
 

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Because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

But seriously, how're you going to implement order on the internet? IP addresses don't equate to people. And I don't think it's that much of an issue, as long as you stay away from the scammers and report the paedophiles, just as you would in real life. 12-year-old kids with "highly advanced botnets" are not the future.

For a brief overview of abuses of power, it's worth reading about Operation Sundevil in this rather brilliant book [http://www.mit.edu/hacker/hacker.html].
 

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I love the chaos of the internet.

Sure there are people who abuse it but I don't see why that should ruin in for everyone else. I don't like the idea of internet uber-mods decided what's funny and what's too crude. Sure, there are some disturbing corners of the internet but I find the idea that people can express their innermost thoughts without too much retribution liberating.
 

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I think certain things should be cracked down on. But the whole point of the internet is that its free.
 

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Ha that sound like the first step for making Sector 9 a reality (from Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex) well ok Sector 9 dealt with cyber hacking.

Yes that sound good on paper but this is the internet you're talking about. It's far too big to be monitor even if you have alot of officiers to monitor the activity.
 

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James Joseph Emerald said:
I understand that people are concerned about losing their anonymity, but you can't exactly expect to have your cake and eat it too. As long as everyone's anonymous, so are the criminals. If anonymity is really so important, why isn't it a serious issue in real life? You never hear about people passionately demanding the right to wear a balaclava at all times in public, or get a passport without having to give their real name and address.
The internet is so far the only medium on which people can express their opinions without having to face the consequences. Even IN REAL LIFE, you can't really say what you want because you might lose your friends/repsect/job etc. On the internet, you can say all the things you want to say publicly. That is the best thing ever. So many great things have been done thanks to that. Only now do we know what the world is like, without the corporate media and/or the government filtering it, taking out what they don't like and propagating a particular viewpoint that they have and they want you to have.
Personally, I think that certain minorities (especially atheists and homosexuals) would have a much harder time IN REAL LIFE if there wasn't so much freedom on the internet.
Think of the prices we would have to pay for movies, music and software if there wasn't any online piracy. They can't make things too expensive (even though they're already doing a damn good job) because no one will buy it. They will just torrent it. That's a good thing.

Yes, there are bad sides to everything. However, taking away the few things that make the internet great is not the way to go. It will have terrible long term effects on society.

Governments and corporations have money, power and influence, all of which which they constantly abuse. We just have our freedoms and the loopholes in laws.
This "anarchy" you speak of is one of the few reasons why we're not living in Orwell's "1984" yet.
What is also funny is the fact that even though we only have the "luxury" of presenting out thoughts to other people without "the man" shutting us up for a short period of time, some people think that it's wrong and we shouldn't be able to do that. Fuck those people.
 

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I don't know what decade you come from but nowdays criminal acts are always prosecuted, if they can find and charge the party involved is however another matter, but this isn't any different in the real world.

So did we give up freedom of information in the real world for the purposes of catching a few bad eggs?
If I remember correctly no, no we didn't.

Question that remains is why do you fancy a police state?
 

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James Joseph Emerald said:
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I see what you're saying, and obviously a lot of this stuff refers to /b/. However, the compromise I see here is (using 4chan as the example, when you log in, your IP is temporarily registered. When you log out again, all the posts you have made are catalogued for examination (cross referenced with your IP) if nothing is illegal, then it's all deleted as per usual. If you've posted child porn or taken part in some hacking scandal, or threatened a school shooting, it should be noted down and passed to the proper authorities. People who actually don't do horrible bullshit have nothing to worry about, and their anonymity is secure.

Of course, there would be a bit of an issue if you hijacked your neighbour's wifi, or logged in at a friend's house, I suppose.

Edit: before I get flamed, I'd just like to add that if some highly regulated compromise between the metaphorical black and whites couldn't be found (in other words, one providing nearly limitless freedom, but just flagged things like CP and hacktivists, then I'd sooner have the internet as it exists today.
 

Woodsey

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Its a rather irrelevant question, since its practically impossible. Filters are inaccurate crap, and how big would task force need to be to tackle the entire internet? And then there's the fact its international. Pirate Bay was shut down, so they changed the country the IP was hosted in.
 

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No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no

The police already use the internet, they dont need any power over it.


Plus itd be impossible unless it was by one organization and I dont like the sound of that.

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gigastar

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While theres a need for policing, it runs straight into problems with implementing actual laws over international areas then giving the roles to people who can be trusted to not pull off every irrational request that comes into thier mailbox.
 

Daverson

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Yes.

Unfortunately, the mechanics of enforcing the law online are somewhat beyond our current political technology. The only way it could work right is:
1. Fracture the net, so each country has it's own internet. You'd need to jump through hoops to visit foreign pages. Frankly this is completely undesirable.
2. Put it under the UN's control. I wouldn't trust the UN with anything, to be honest.
3. One world government. This isn't going to happen anytime soon, though.
 

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no one should have power over the internet. Dispite all good intentions it would just lead to mass censorship and abuse of power