my class got into a debate over gun control and the debate was sided more to having gun control in the United States.
I wanted to know your thoughts on this subject.
I wanted to know your thoughts on this subject.
Should there be gun control in the United States
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Abso-fucking-lutely.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1662373.ece
Look at all the incidents that could very probably been avoided if there were more restrictions making it harder for people to get their hands on guns. By 'people' I mean Americans.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1662373.ece
Look at all the incidents that could very probably been avoided if there were more restrictions making it harder for people to get their hands on guns. By 'people' I mean Americans.
Pretty much this, if anyone can read that list then argue that the US doesn't need tighter gun controls, they need their head checked.Vanguard_Ex said:
As much as I love America I think they hold to their "right to bear arms" a little to firmly, yes most just have them to keep their familys safe but for every thousand decent people there's one nutter ready to snap.
Exactly. It's refreshing to see people on the forums nowadays who don't have an automatic flaming reflex by the way ;Dfix-the-spade said:
Yes. Yes there should be. At least then we won't have to hear about some psycho shooting his school, and then the news agencies blaming it on gaming or media. Honestly, the people have the right to bear arms, but there should be very strict limits, not very lax ones.
No, why take away legal firearms and the ability for law abiding citizens to own keep and bear them? Most(i dare say almost all guns used in crimes) are obtained illegally.
Those of you who think controlling guns will stop gun crimes, I point you to prohibition. Banning or overly controlling something only creates a black market.
Those of you who think controlling guns will stop gun crimes, I point you to prohibition. Banning or overly controlling something only creates a black market.
This is something like 50-60 people killed or injured over a period of 9 years, while gun violence is a horrible thing and the loss of young individuals is a terrible thing, more people have died from lightning strikes than school shootings. There are 300-400 million people in North America and 50 people die in 9 years? Perspective.
These lives wouldn't have been saved by gun control, they would have been saved by finding these anti-social, psychotic and disturbed individuals sooner. Weapons created civilizations, they've protected and fed families since the dawn of thumbs. Even if you could magically vaporize every long ranged projectile weapon in existance someone's going to break out the lathe and bend some sheet metal and take over the world, which might be before everyone else immediately reverts back to blades and blugeons.
I'm not saying there isn't loads of gun crime, definitly not. But you need to provide a lot more evidence then just that to justify your arguement. It's definitly out there of course, its not like people aren't shot every day.
Also this topic has been done to death, I just came to curb pitchforks and torches over a link. In the time it took you to read this reply, 1-5 people in North America died of old age.
These lives wouldn't have been saved by gun control, they would have been saved by finding these anti-social, psychotic and disturbed individuals sooner. Weapons created civilizations, they've protected and fed families since the dawn of thumbs. Even if you could magically vaporize every long ranged projectile weapon in existance someone's going to break out the lathe and bend some sheet metal and take over the world, which might be before everyone else immediately reverts back to blades and blugeons.
I'm not saying there isn't loads of gun crime, definitly not. But you need to provide a lot more evidence then just that to justify your arguement. It's definitly out there of course, its not like people aren't shot every day.
Also this topic has been done to death, I just came to curb pitchforks and torches over a link. In the time it took you to read this reply, 1-5 people in North America died of old age.
Durrr, we HAVE gun control in the US, just not in any way that is being policed properly. Apparently it's considered more important to put potheads in jail these days than to monitor state-state and cross-border traffic in illegal firearms.
Oh, and add me to the "we've had this thread... a few times *facepalm*" queue.
Oh, and add me to the "we've had this thread... a few times *facepalm*" queue.
I have to go with Chris Rock regarding gun control. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFcVwDw4YLE
A gun without bullets is just a paperweight, judging from the number of paperweights in my home office.
A gun without bullets is just a paperweight, judging from the number of paperweights in my home office.
Out here (the Netherlands), you need a permit for ANY firearm.
I believe the main argument for allowing gun ownership is that shootin's plain fun, and they'd take a lot of fun from a lot of people by banning guns completely.
Being male, I sympathise with this point: I own a BB gun (illegally!! sssh.), and it's been worth every penny so far. I love shooting stuff.
However, if you REALLY enjoy it THAT much, you won't have much of a problem to fork over an extra couple of bucks for an actual permit, right?
I think the trick is mainly the actual policing, as GyroCaptain stated. The War on Drugs can't be won anyway - might as well rearrange your priorities. But then again, the US was never strong at prioritizing...
I believe the main argument for allowing gun ownership is that shootin's plain fun, and they'd take a lot of fun from a lot of people by banning guns completely.
Being male, I sympathise with this point: I own a BB gun (illegally!! sssh.), and it's been worth every penny so far. I love shooting stuff.
However, if you REALLY enjoy it THAT much, you won't have much of a problem to fork over an extra couple of bucks for an actual permit, right?
I think the trick is mainly the actual policing, as GyroCaptain stated. The War on Drugs can't be won anyway - might as well rearrange your priorities. But then again, the US was never strong at prioritizing...
people, people, people. Not this again. Sure, you can make gun control as tight as you want, but if someone's going to go breaking the law and shooting someone, they won't check if the gun is legal first.
Just one question: Why do shootings never happen at firing ranges?
Just one question: Why do shootings never happen at firing ranges?
I'll only casually recommend that you reread my post. You'll notice I was only referencing the information on that link, I'm not going to read every individual year there and give exact numbers, you want exact numbers? Read that website. I gave a hipfire estimate, and I thought it was a little obvious I wasn't talking about other forms of gun violence as noted by my later stating "I'm not saying there isn't loads of gun crime, definitly not-etc". I'm still not counting each individual line there but let's pretend it was around 100. (While I dont have my finger on the pulse of current census technology, by now I'd estimate maybe 50-100 people died of old age between my two posts, a LOT more globally.)Snor said:
300-400 million people > 100 deaths in 9 years. Obviously excluding OTHER forms of gun violence.
I have more fear being struck by lightning than being shot in my school as the chances seem quite a bit higher.. Again, I only mean the data on that page alone shouldn't be considered adequate information to base a defense or attack on.
I would like to unequivocally state that I do not give a fuck what the yanks do inside their own borders. That is my opinion, thank you for listening.