Should there be gun control in the United States

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JWAN

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cainx10a said:
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MelziGurl said:
Berithil said:
Let me just show everything this. This is an email I recieved a couple days ago, and I support it.

"A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet
Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves,
were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938
and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were
unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935.
>From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated

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Guatemala established gun control in
1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970..
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia
established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated
people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and
exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

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It has now been 12 months since gun
owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal
firearms to be destroyed by their own
Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500
million dollars. The first year results are now in:

List of 7 items:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
percent.

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6
percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up
44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone,
homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the
law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals
still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years
showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed
drastically upward in the past 12 months, since criminals now are guaranteed
that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase
in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a
loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental
effort, and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society
of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above
prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or
hear politicians disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens
save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only
the law-abiding citizens.

Take note my fellow
Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of
gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.

With guns, we are 'citizens'.
Without them, we are 'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to
invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread
this anti-gun control message to all of your friends.


The purpose of fighting is to win. There
is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the
shield, and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the
brain. All else is supplemental.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN! SWITZERLAND 'S GOVERNMENT
TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE. SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN
RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANYCIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!
IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE
MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING
CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment! If you are too, please forward."

It's crazy how the government (and some American citizens for that matter) just can't seem to see the sense in this.
Did that email come with a link to sources at all? I would like to see it. Yes, I'm an Aussie, but I still feel safe knowing that my neighbours (who get drunk quite often) have little chance of owning a gun and irresponsibly using it.
what if someone pulls a gun on you, criminals will always have guns the innocent who follow the laws and give up their firearms will be left with nothing to fight back with

A gun in your hand is better than a cop on the phone
what next? Going to advocate carrying a firearm in public? Next time you feel like a 'threat', you just need to pull your gun out and shoot the wrong guy/gal?

I am all for gun control, owning a gun to protect your household, but owning more than a handgun is silly, as much as, carrying one in public places.
Yes actually, and what are you getting at? if someone has a gun in the face of a clerk and you shoot the guy in the knee he goes down and you keep the gun trained on him till the cops arrive the bad guy goes to jail and everyone else goes on with their lives.

Concealed carry is just fine, you tell me the rules and regs of concealed carry, I could tell you but that would not teach you anything, why don't you do your own research. What if you being mugged outside your home? are you going to tell the guy to wait until you can get home to call the cops or ask him nicely to see if you can use your phone or grab your gun or yell at the top of your lungs so he puts a bullet in you throat to shut you up?

If someone is mugging you the situation is clear, what is not clear about someone pulling a knife or other weapon on you and demanding your money or raping you or someone you know. I live in the only state where I cant carry a gun but the criminals already do meaning that I can carry a pocket knife while they carry whatever the hell they want. My 4 inch locking blade is no good past 4 inches past the length of my arm and stride.

If someone is threatening you with a gun kill them, end of story, take them out of the human genome and send a message to the other muggers.

Ive had people break into my home with handguns before and that's why I have an AR-15 in a safe near by my room. I learned from the first time that a baseball bat wont help but the rifle made it so I had no issues sense then. Nothing says "get on the ground and whimper like a *****" quite like an assault rifle and that's what both of them did till the cops came and hauled them away.

Have you ever shot a weapon before? Let me guess, your parents and your teachers raised you to believe that you can talk your way out of any situation or you can just give the money over and that will be the end of it. Its too bad that muggers that are deranged enough to shove a weapon in your face usually don't think twice about sinking a hollow point into your forehead the next second and watching that pink puff that used to be your brains blow all over the wall behind you. They don't CARE about you, your family, your friends, they just want your money and they will kill you to get it.

Are you afraid of someone shooting you? what the hell are you doing sticking weapons in other peoples faces in apparently non violent ways? what don't you understand about the fact that cops cant always run to your aid at every second of the day, they cannot protect you from 5 blocks away and they cant yell at the criminal over the phone in such a way that they will stop what they are doing. The crime rate rose by 35% in GB after they confiscated firearms, why do you think that is?
It rose by 35% because the criminal element knew that the targets just became easier and that the cops would be under a false sense of security, now the cops have to carry assault weapons because the crooks know that they can literally make a killing without anyone to stop them except for the cops.
 

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Hamsterlad said:
my class got into a debate over gun control and the debate was sided more to having gun control in the United States.
Define "control". Should it be legal to own any kind of weapon you want? No. Should it be legal to own personnel-utilized weapons? Yes. Preventing the manufacture, sale, and ownership of weapons violates individual rights. I handle a much more deadly instrument than a gun daily and in perfect safety. It is not moral to restrict someone's actions because of a *potential* threat.
 

JWAN

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Vanguard_Ex said:
Abso-fucking-lutely.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1662373.ece

Look at all the incidents that could very probably been avoided if there were more restrictions making it harder for people to get their hands on guns. By 'people' I mean Americans.
The criminals care about the law yes or no.
No,
that means laws do not affect them true or false
True
so by taking the guns even further out of the regular Joe's grasp you effectively do what?
 

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JWAN said:
Vanguard_Ex said:
Abso-fucking-lutely.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1662373.ece

Look at all the incidents that could very probably been avoided if there were more restrictions making it harder for people to get their hands on guns. By 'people' I mean Americans.
The criminals care about the law yes or no.
No,
that means laws do not affect them true or false
True
so by taking the guns even further out of the regular Joe's grasp you effectively do what?
You read what I said properly, yes/no:
No.

I said there should be restrictions and laws in place which make it harder for people to get their hands on guns. Laws affect everybody, criminals are just people who choose to violate these laws. The way is affects them is that, upon breaking them, the police come down on their ass.
 

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Well, I think the U.S. should have gun control in the sense that not just anyone can get one. Some states have stricter standards than others.

There are certain things that wouldn't work, though. Banning or taking away certain guns wouldn't work - once someone has something, they tend not to be inclined to give it up. We started out as basically a backwoods country where guns were frequently necessary for subsistence and defense of livestock. Once they were established as a necessary part of society, they were hard to remove even when the need for the most part disappeared. The 2nd Amendment is a touchy issue in the United States, and any lawmakers intending to pass gun control laws will need to exercise great caution.

Me? I don't own a gun, and don't ever plan to. But I don't object to other people owning guns. It's what they plan to use them for that we should concern ourselves with.

Indeed, I think the most dangerous ones are the ones who buy guns which are already illegal in the first place - and they always find a way to get them. Guns are a lot like drugs in that regard - demand creates its own supply, no matter how hard you crack down on it.
 

crimson5pheonix

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First off, you can't get automatic rifles in the U.S. legally, that means only criminals have them. Anytime you see on the news of a shooting involving an automatic weapon, it's either a lie, or it's someone who won't care about gun control laws anyway.

Secondly, as far as AP rounds go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout

Who saved the day? A local gun shop with AP rounds and rifles.
 

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Before I say anything let it be known that I am not a gun-nut, I don't own a gun or have any reason to.

How many firearms permit holders are there in the U.S.? How many of them go on homicidal rampages? Rob banks? Are involved in gang warfare? Not many? Thought so. Seems to me from the few scraps of evidence I have seen that these things are generally done with illegal guns. Why not concentrate more on stopping these guns getting on to the streets and into the hands of kids than talking endlessly about different gun control laws.

Guns aren't the problem, people are the problem. A gun is the tool of a soldier or a hunter in the same way that a hammer is the tool of a joiner or an axe is the tool of a lumberjack. Hammers and axes are quite lethal when applied in the right manner, so, if someone went on a killing spree with either of those would there be a gaggle of calls for them to be banned?