Should they just make a justice league movie
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DC movies have sucked balls. Batman has only recently begun to climb out of the cesspool of shit known as DC cinema. But just about everything DC turned movie crashes into the ground, without even a cool explosion. They never meet up with peoples expectations.CODE-D said:
Making a Justice League movie would just be the most recent in a long line of suck and disappointment.
Of course Warner Bros/DC should make a Justice League movie instead of following the Marvel route. Marvel needed to introduce most of their characters to the general populace - many people remember the Hulk (even from the old 80's TV show) but IronMan, Captain America and Thor are only known by the average comic-book fan. Did anyone have a cow because they had a 3rd actor play the Hulk? No. As a matter of fact most people seem to think that the Hulk was the breakout character in the movie.
And for those who claim that they can't do a team movie without introducing the individual players first look at what Marvel has done in the past. Did they need to do a intro movie for the X-men or even the latest X-men: First Class film? No - they introduced the team and people figured out what the heroes do.
DC has several iconic characters already - Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are probably some of the most recognizable pop icons already - the only characters who are probably as recognizable for Marvel are Spider-man and the X-Men. Since the Christopher Reeve films of the '70's & 80's there have been multiple TV shows (Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman and Smallville) and animated versions of the character. There will have been 7 Batman films (played by 4 different actors) plus multiple cartoon shows and films since the 80's. While Wonder Woman hasn't had as many TV shows (us old timers remember Lynda Carter's version fondly) she is probably the most recognizable female super hero for ANY company and was a mainstay of the Justice League cartoon shows.
Plus the cartoon show is another example of why DC doesn't need to follow the Marvel pattern - the original Justice League show established a team without providing origins for the team members (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl and Martin Manhunter...) Then with Justice League Unlimited they introduced a team with almost 50 members and almost no one got an origin story (except for the Carter Hall Hawkman...) You figured out who a character was as he or she was featured in a story.
Plus if DC makes another movie like the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern or if Man of Steel under-performs will they have to do another "re-launch" in order to make a viable Justice League film? We already know that Batman wouldn't be portrayed by Christian Bale (if he keeps his word about this being the final time he plays the role) so what's the big deal if you do a film with a entirely new cast. Heck, I wouldn't have a problem if they decided to go with a Justice League and didn't even include the Hal Jordan Green Lantern in it - Do it like the Justice League animated series and put John Stewart in instead (for diversity) and maybe another female character like Black Canary, Zatanna, Doctor Light, Fire or Ice...
The key thing is to make a GOOD MOVIE. Put together a great cast, great script, viable threat and a director who can handle group dynamics. If you fail to do this then it doesn't matter how Warner Brothers puts the team together.
And for those who claim that they can't do a team movie without introducing the individual players first look at what Marvel has done in the past. Did they need to do a intro movie for the X-men or even the latest X-men: First Class film? No - they introduced the team and people figured out what the heroes do.
DC has several iconic characters already - Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman are probably some of the most recognizable pop icons already - the only characters who are probably as recognizable for Marvel are Spider-man and the X-Men. Since the Christopher Reeve films of the '70's & 80's there have been multiple TV shows (Lois & Clark: The New Adventures of Superman and Smallville) and animated versions of the character. There will have been 7 Batman films (played by 4 different actors) plus multiple cartoon shows and films since the 80's. While Wonder Woman hasn't had as many TV shows (us old timers remember Lynda Carter's version fondly) she is probably the most recognizable female super hero for ANY company and was a mainstay of the Justice League cartoon shows.
Plus the cartoon show is another example of why DC doesn't need to follow the Marvel pattern - the original Justice League show established a team without providing origins for the team members (Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkgirl and Martin Manhunter...) Then with Justice League Unlimited they introduced a team with almost 50 members and almost no one got an origin story (except for the Carter Hall Hawkman...) You figured out who a character was as he or she was featured in a story.
Plus if DC makes another movie like the Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern or if Man of Steel under-performs will they have to do another "re-launch" in order to make a viable Justice League film? We already know that Batman wouldn't be portrayed by Christian Bale (if he keeps his word about this being the final time he plays the role) so what's the big deal if you do a film with a entirely new cast. Heck, I wouldn't have a problem if they decided to go with a Justice League and didn't even include the Hal Jordan Green Lantern in it - Do it like the Justice League animated series and put John Stewart in instead (for diversity) and maybe another female character like Black Canary, Zatanna, Doctor Light, Fire or Ice...
The key thing is to make a GOOD MOVIE. Put together a great cast, great script, viable threat and a director who can handle group dynamics. If you fail to do this then it doesn't matter how Warner Brothers puts the team together.
It worked in the Avengers movie since most characters were firmly established in their own movie. The Avengers just took already established characters with a few non-establish ones. The characters only had a few changes like learning the value of teamwork in the end.
Justice league, however, does not have that power...yet. Most of the world knows of Batman, Superman and to some extent Wonder woman. There's also the problem of the massive failure of the Green lantern. Most people will just arrive and say "What? the Green lantern is in this? His movie was terrible. No way, I'm watching anything Green lantern related!". Granted, it's only a portion of the public that will think this way, but the point still stands. Nothing is established. If a Justice league movie was released today, most of the running time would be lost on establishing hero A, B and C. The pacing would be lost.
Imagine if we did The Avengers without establishing who is Ironman or Thor. Most people would ask "who the fuck is this guy?"
Justice league, however, does not have that power...yet. Most of the world knows of Batman, Superman and to some extent Wonder woman. There's also the problem of the massive failure of the Green lantern. Most people will just arrive and say "What? the Green lantern is in this? His movie was terrible. No way, I'm watching anything Green lantern related!". Granted, it's only a portion of the public that will think this way, but the point still stands. Nothing is established. If a Justice league movie was released today, most of the running time would be lost on establishing hero A, B and C. The pacing would be lost.
Imagine if we did The Avengers without establishing who is Ironman or Thor. Most people would ask "who the fuck is this guy?"
If one were to be made, it should start with individual movies leading up to a grouping up. As well as establishing the characters, it makes watching them together all the better for having seen them get to that point prior. The trouble with DC heroes is...Wonder Woman and Superman are pretty much the same. Batman, while cool and with cooler villains, isn't superpowered and so wouldn't be much fun to watch alongside his comrades. Green Lantern is uninteresting.
Truth be told, I'd rather see movies about Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman and The Flash individually. I've liked the flash since the 90s TV series. They could work together if done right but Supe's and Bat's films are different so I don't know what a combined one would be like. Not to mention they take frikkin years to make even one film.
Truth be told, I'd rather see movies about Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman and The Flash individually. I've liked the flash since the 90s TV series. They could work together if done right but Supe's and Bat's films are different so I don't know what a combined one would be like. Not to mention they take frikkin years to make even one film.
Because X-men brought something else to the table: the themes of X-Men. I've probably should've mentionned that. However, they didn't crossed my mind. I wonder what would Justice League would bring to make it relevent.Spot1990 said:
If I'm not mistaken, the X-Men was always a team effort, so it was the introduction of a type of group who all had the same reason for being powerful, the only differences being the individual powers. Avengers and Justice League are each collaborations of previously established heroes with varying powers and origins, so just dumping the group on an uninitiated public would fall far too short.Spot1990 said:
I like this idea, if they aren't going to create at least one movie per character and then bring them all together like the Avengers they should just start in medias res (If you'll excuse the use of one of the three latin phrases I know and use to make me sound intellectual and high society.)Spot1990 said:
Hey, they could even do introductory viral marketing videos like the "meet the" series for TF2, although there's no way you could pull that off without it looking like one of those super cheesy dating videos.
Just have as the introduction a fast paced fight between all the Justice League that they are using and one of the super villains, that showcases each persons power, strengths and maybe a few weaknesses. Then when they defeat the villain he could tell them of the much greater evil that is coming. Cue rest of movie. Or it could be about the rest of the Superpowered heroes already having a Justice League, and them accepting Batman into it, which would be controversial since he isn't actually superpowered, so it'd be up to him to prove his worth. Then throughout the film we see Batman's analytical skills come into play as he overcompensates like crazy just to stay alive while fighting with the league, eventually his detective skills save the day, finding a weakness in the villain which the other heroes can exploit and the day is saved. Batman is formally invited to join the Justice League, but declines, because he is needed more in Gotham, but says if they ever need him again just to give him a call.
BOOM! There's your movie script, and it's doable without messing with the power levels too much or cloaking Batman in so much plot armour he may as well be in the Ship with 6000 hulls, because the point of the movie is that he is trying to compete with people out of his league, and so has to rely on his wit, instinct, and being crazy prepared for everything. Well I like it.
