Should you feel guilty for eating meat?

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the December King

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GunsmithKitten said:
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What, me personally? None of those things!
Yea me neither.

But a lot of animals will do thsoe things on a regular basis.

Some people do waaaay worse than this, don't they? And those people should know better than to do such things, right? But they do them anyway- even with those big brains. Humans can always justify the cruelty. That doesn't make it right.
Then what justification does nature have for the killing fields it's overseen, which man can never hope to match? You think a savvanah lion has remorse for running a gazelle down and ripping it limb from limb? You think a snake has any consideration for the rat it poisons then swallows alive? Does a spider care about it's infants that it devours or the mate that it kills?
Do wolf packs care for the prey that they run down purely for sport and not even food?
I get where you're coming from. We seem to be at the top of a violent food chain that has no room for sympathy or feeling. And to be fair, alot of people share your view- as seen by people who do barbaric things with no regard for compassion or sympathy, simply to satisfy themselves on some level.

But most of us do have feelings, and a rational mind. We have been told again and again that we are somehow better or to be held to a higher standard, whether it's religion or what have you. We have a conscience that we can identify, and we have responsibilities that we have to acknowledge.

In short, I don't think nature has to justify anything. But we do. It's not that we know 'better' per se, but we can certainly be more merciful - and we have to be more responsible.

Again, this is just my opinion, and you are welcome to yours... I suspect that we aren't going to change each other's minds here.
 

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Mycroft Holmes said:
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I'm just saying that it's a huge waste of resources, which it undoubtedly is.
No it isn't. People enjoy different things. You could use the same logic to say that art is a huge waste of resources.
No, because that comparison is not logical at all. You wanna know why? Because every example you can give me of how art can be a waste of resources are going to sound far-fetched and irrelevant compared to the meat industry, which is a definite waste of resources on an entirely different scale.
 

Mycroft Holmes

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TomWiley said:
No, because that comparison is not logical at all. You wanna know why? Because every example you can give me of how art can be a waste of resources are going to sound far-fetched and irrelevant compared to the meat industry, which is a definite waste of resources on an entirely different scale.
Except its not wasted, its enjoyed. Just like the billions of crayons produced and made into drawings that are thrown away. The lead from sketches, the paints, the tonnage of clay, the ink, every time Ai Weiwei breaks a vase. Billions of art students, people bored in class, children having fun. It's all a 'waste' on a scale easily on the level of the meat industry(3 billion crayons are consumed every year in artwork: a number so big that the human brain really can't even comprehend how big it is.) But people enjoy artwork, it makes them happy; just like the dude at McDonald's enjoys his hamburger. If you want to play the enjoyment==waste game then we might as well start reenacting equilibrium now.
 

Dragonclaw

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I LIKE meat, there's nothing quite like it when well prepared. I'm not going to feel any guilt for eating...we, like every animal on the planet must eat to stay alive and if we weren't meant to eat meat, at least occasionally, we wouldn't have developed into the omnivores we are.

That being said I WONT eat certain meats like veal or foie gras because the way they are forced to live and in some cases force fed are above and beyond what I personally consider cruel and there is plenty of other meat...it may be a very fine line, but to ME it's an important one.
 

Mudkipith

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There are many MANY things that are created out of the pain and suffering of other living creatures (even humans), if it makes you squeamish it's best not to think about it.
 

Naroiden

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s28 said:
But lately I have been questioning if I should feel guilty for eating meat, seafood (anything that has a life).
Lmao. xD You vegetarians... If you can feel guilty while you eat meat, then you must feel guilty while you eat a salad as meat. A vegetable has a life, you know.
 

otohime

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I?ve just read through all the pages, and there are a couple of things I?m hearing again and again from meat-eaters that I would like to add my thoughts to.

Comment #1: "Plants are alive. Therefore, if you believe eating plants is okay, you should also believe eating animals is okay."

Personally, I love plants and I do not wish them harm. In fact, needlessly killing plants is, in my opinion, wrong. However, there?s still a difference between plants and animals.

Mainly, plants have no nervous system. Thus, they cannot feel pain (at least not in a way we can understand).

Animals most certainly DO feel pain. Any pet owner knows when their animal is hurting. They will yelp when hurt and get mopey when they are ill. Just like humans. How animals process emotional pain is less understood, but there is still evidence of an animal moping even ?crying? when they have lost another animal friend (when one of my cats died, the other wandered up and down the hall meowing for a long time). There?s been studies of dogs going into depression after their owner dies (and many die sooner after). Not unlike old married couples do sometimes.

I can only conclude that animals do have similarities with humans. Thus, I try to treat them how I would like to be treated. At the very least, I would like to see them with better quality life while they are alive. There?s no way a chicken feels nothing when its beak is cut and they are crammed in small cages where they can?t even walk.

Now -- plants. Being an entire different species, plants are difficult to understand. Biologically, they cannot feel physical pain as we do. Personally, I recognize their alive-ness and even intelligence. But I have no solid proof for any of that: I can say that picking a plant is not physically hurting a plant like killing an animal hurts an animal.

Animal herbivores are much less destructive when they eat plants than humans. That is, they nibble on a plant and move on. Humans plant fields and wipe out fields like its nothing.

That brings me to my next point:

There are ways to eat plants and NOT KILL them. The obvious one is fruit. Even with mass-produced fruit trees, the trees are not killed to get their fruit. ?Fruit? covers more than trees, and ranges from sweet to non-sweet fruits. The plants never have to be killed for their fruit.

There?s other plants which don?t have to be killed to be eaten. Flower vegetables (broccoli and cauliflower, etc) and grains (the ear of corn can be picked. I grew up with growing corn, and we always removed the plants after they had already died). Beans/legumes, nuts and seeds also fall into this category. Even with leaf vegetables, one does not have to kill the plant. Not if a person just pulls a few leaves off. I have a herb garden, and I always just pull a few leaves off. The plants continue growing and being alive.

Unfortunately, living this way (having no plants killed on your behalf) would be difficult for the modern person. Mostly because the way in which things are mass produced (machinery that goes through, harvested, and wipes out all the corn at once, for example). Still, the misconception that one cannot live without killing is incorrect.

I can?t claim to live a life with 100% no killing of plants. I shop at a grocery store, after all. This doesn?t mean, I?m going to forget the whole thing and go eat animals. And like I said, animals and plants aren't the same anyway.

Comment #2: "Humans are animals. Animals kill other animals. Thus, it is only natural for humans to kill animals."

This comment is not completely unfounded. However, when I hear the ?humans are animals? comment get brought up, I tend to view it as an excuse. I hear comments from people, such as ?Humans are animals, so it is only natural that I cheated on my girlfriend and sleep around with many girls.? ?Humans are animals, so I had to establish my dominance in that way.? And so forth.

I don?t know what it is like to be just any animal. But I can speak of what it is like to be human: I have awareness and a choice. And I don?t want to be an animal bound to simple instinct, not stopping to think about what I did.

If we live in a world to be like animals, then we would also be dealing with rape and even cannibalism (at times at least). And yes, most definitely cheat on your partner.

Why not do those things? Because we have an awareness of how that hurts others. We also have a choice. We can choose to do those things or not. In essence, we can choose to be a merely instinctual animal or we can choose to be more.

All that to say --- I don?t believe simply eating meat makes one ?an animal? in that sense. Many people have stopped to think about it and still choose to eat meat. That?s still intelligence. What I am saying is that using ?humans are animals? as a valid reason to eat meat is rather insulting.

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So to answer the main question of this topic: Should you feel guilty for eating meat?

That?s a loaded question. Two key words ?should? and ?guilt.?

?Should? implies a judgement. It is an obligation. When combined with a feeling, ?you should feel this way,? it is even more so. It is judgmental and negative. Either a person does or doesn?t feel a certain way. Whichever way they feel, that is simply where that person is in that point in time. They are where they ?should? be. Not to say people can?t move forward and desire better, but that is ultimately up to the individual.

The other word is ?guilt.? Feeling guilting can have its purpose to show us how we want to be. Whether it is stopping a certain action or attempting to make it right with a person that you have wronged, guilt can act as a moral compass.

However, feeling guilty is also a word that keeps a person in bondage. It prevents a person from living in the ?now.? People feel guilty because they remain attached to a situation, usually in the past. Feel guilty? Forgive yourself. I?m not saying to continue to do what you feel is wrong, but if you are being honest with yourself, you aren?t going to want to do that. So instead of feeling guilty, just don?t do it.

Thus, I believe a better question would be:

Do you feel guilty for eating meat?

 If your answer is ?yes,? then perhaps you would be happier to stop eating meat. Of course, the process of quitting eating meat may be difficult and will take discipline. In the end, it may be worth it. I say ?may? and ?perhaps? because I can?t speak for what it feels like for you, but I love being vegetarian. I feel more energized and more connected with animals than I ever did while eating meat.

If you can?t seem to stop eating meat but want to, you can still make changes. It doesn?t have to be all or nothing. You can cut back on eating meat or choose organic and free-range animals. Don?t dwell on the guilt though. Instead, be confident that you are doing what you can, and (if you wish) endeavor to be different yet again.

Don?t feel guilty for eating meat? No worries. I can?t think of anywhere that says you have to feel guilty or even that eating an animal is wrong. It?s up to you. A word of caution though. Don?t use lack of knowledge as a way to not feel guilty. I?ve known a few meat eaters who say things like ?don?t tell me that about factory farms because I don?t want to loose my appetite for meat.? That has nothing to do with guilt or beliefs; that?s choosing ignorance so one doesn?t have to accept responsibility. Be informed and make a choice.