Shows, movies, etc. you hate on the conceptual level.
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I don't think the Survivor spoof they were going for is inherently bad, but it's just so poorly done I can't stand it. Not to mention the fact that the show's basic concept would get stale after a single season, and yet it's been running for years.Someone Depressing said:
Saints Row 4, and to a lesser degree Saints Row 3.
They twisted and deformed the very concept of the game. They made something that was a just a portion of the game's design into the absolutely be all end all of the game and it completely ruined the series. And that is the whacky over the tops missions and activities. Instead of being one flavor of many, they just dumped all the others and left just that one.
The game wasn't about whacky over the top crap. It was about the Saints being kicking ass with style and the Boss (player) just being an alpha badass. A lot of the feel was the bold nature and style of your gang. Something they did crazy stuff to get the message across or the goals met. It had purpose. In 3 and even more in 4, that's all the game is about and it doesn't make for as good a game. Saints Row 2 is one of my favorite games of all time, and it to see them twist the concept and spirit of the series in to what it is now just infuriates me.
The movie Elysium. I watched it because it looked nifty and I like Matt Damon. But the movie itself seemed so bizarre. It had cool effects and visuals and the acting was fine.. But the whole concept of the movie was just like WTF? Rich and Privileged people are all bad and evil. Why? If it was THAT damn easy and seemingly without any cost, why do they withhold the medical technology and all that stuff? Treat surface people like sub humans vermin? It just didn't make enough sense to me and it killed the entire movie.
The list goes on and on, but those are the among that game to mind.
They twisted and deformed the very concept of the game. They made something that was a just a portion of the game's design into the absolutely be all end all of the game and it completely ruined the series. And that is the whacky over the tops missions and activities. Instead of being one flavor of many, they just dumped all the others and left just that one.
The game wasn't about whacky over the top crap. It was about the Saints being kicking ass with style and the Boss (player) just being an alpha badass. A lot of the feel was the bold nature and style of your gang. Something they did crazy stuff to get the message across or the goals met. It had purpose. In 3 and even more in 4, that's all the game is about and it doesn't make for as good a game. Saints Row 2 is one of my favorite games of all time, and it to see them twist the concept and spirit of the series in to what it is now just infuriates me.
The movie Elysium. I watched it because it looked nifty and I like Matt Damon. But the movie itself seemed so bizarre. It had cool effects and visuals and the acting was fine.. But the whole concept of the movie was just like WTF? Rich and Privileged people are all bad and evil. Why? If it was THAT damn easy and seemingly without any cost, why do they withhold the medical technology and all that stuff? Treat surface people like sub humans vermin? It just didn't make enough sense to me and it killed the entire movie.
The list goes on and on, but those are the among that game to mind.
Elementary (TV Series) purely on the basis that they cast John Watson as a female, and the setting is in New York.
I've had a number of people recommend it to me and generally I would at least give it a try before dismissing it but I just can't seem to wrap my head around the concept of Doctor Watson being female, while setting it in New York just gives me an immediate CSI impression and takes away from the whole "feel" of Sherlock (I say feel for lack of a better word).
I've also heard that they have combined Moriarty and Irene into one character. If true then the show really doesn't hold any appeal to me at all and I will probably always be against it.
I get that they were trying to "modernize" it but personally I think that the BBC version of Sherlock (which I have watched and really enjoyed) got it right. They managed to create a modern version that loses very little of the original "feel" of the stories but still gives a fresh, new take on them.
I've had a number of people recommend it to me and generally I would at least give it a try before dismissing it but I just can't seem to wrap my head around the concept of Doctor Watson being female, while setting it in New York just gives me an immediate CSI impression and takes away from the whole "feel" of Sherlock (I say feel for lack of a better word).
I've also heard that they have combined Moriarty and Irene into one character. If true then the show really doesn't hold any appeal to me at all and I will probably always be against it.
I get that they were trying to "modernize" it but personally I think that the BBC version of Sherlock (which I have watched and really enjoyed) got it right. They managed to create a modern version that loses very little of the original "feel" of the stories but still gives a fresh, new take on them.
Pretty much every soulless superhero comic ever made. But especially everything Batman. At least the others are kinda wacky, but nooo Batman now is a dark avenger. A grown rich white man dressing in cute little bat ears and passing judgment..Just bleh
Shallow Hal. Because there?s nothing wrong with not wanting to date a girl because she?s physically unattractive to you, and anyone that says otherwise is either lying or asexual. There, I said it.
Supernanny. Because, based on some of the things she?s said in the past, I just don?t like Jo Frost. And she doesn?t have kids, so what the fuck does she know? A lot of the time, it seems to be that the parents are just too incompetent to discipline their children, so it takes an outsider without a personal relationship to say, ?Hey. Knock it off, or I?ll throw your PS3 out of the window.?
Soap operas in general. Aside from the piss-poor writing, they just. Never. Fucking. End. And it gets gradually worse and worse, and then maybe once in a while, there?s a good story that draws you in because there are some good characters for once. But then they fuck it up with some plot contrivance or the characters acting nothing like actual real-life human beings would, and you?re back to wondering why the fuck you began watching it in the first place.
Supernanny. Because, based on some of the things she?s said in the past, I just don?t like Jo Frost. And she doesn?t have kids, so what the fuck does she know? A lot of the time, it seems to be that the parents are just too incompetent to discipline their children, so it takes an outsider without a personal relationship to say, ?Hey. Knock it off, or I?ll throw your PS3 out of the window.?
Soap operas in general. Aside from the piss-poor writing, they just. Never. Fucking. End. And it gets gradually worse and worse, and then maybe once in a while, there?s a good story that draws you in because there are some good characters for once. But then they fuck it up with some plot contrivance or the characters acting nothing like actual real-life human beings would, and you?re back to wondering why the fuck you began watching it in the first place.
Any non-competition reality show. I know it's popular to dislike reality shows as a whole, but I personally lump most of the reality competitions into my "guilty pleasure" category. But the other reality shows, like Real Housewives or Jersey Shore? Yeah, fuck that. If I wanted to see people living their lives like idiots, I'd go back to high school.
Also, is it just me, or are a lot of people missing the "conceptual" part of the topic? By that, I mean the people who are against shows/movies because of their plot, or writing issues, rather than just being the idea of the show/movie that they dislike.
Also, is it just me, or are a lot of people missing the "conceptual" part of the topic? By that, I mean the people who are against shows/movies because of their plot, or writing issues, rather than just being the idea of the show/movie that they dislike.
I got a few shows I REALLY hate.
Family Guy(the newer seasons): It took what made and still makes the original Family Guy funny, and threw it out the window. All the charm and life of the show as been replace with robotic blandness. The animation looks stiff and lifeless, the humor is now literally political propaganda, and episodes are WAY too predictable. It is the most mindless dribble on television, even more then shit like Honey Boo Boo.
Tosh.0: Here is an idea. Let's take the physical manifestation of the very definition of a douchebag and let him talk over youtube videos. It is like =3 only somehow even shittier.
Pawnstars and Pawnstar like shows: Scripted "reality" TV at its worst. Usually shows like this are about the items these people encounter, and then change the focus to the fake personalities given to the actors.
Disney shitcoms: Every one of them is almost exactly the same. The only difference is the gimmick involved. All the worst possible humor someone could come up with put into a mass of abominations.
Family Guy(the newer seasons): It took what made and still makes the original Family Guy funny, and threw it out the window. All the charm and life of the show as been replace with robotic blandness. The animation looks stiff and lifeless, the humor is now literally political propaganda, and episodes are WAY too predictable. It is the most mindless dribble on television, even more then shit like Honey Boo Boo.
Tosh.0: Here is an idea. Let's take the physical manifestation of the very definition of a douchebag and let him talk over youtube videos. It is like =3 only somehow even shittier.
Pawnstars and Pawnstar like shows: Scripted "reality" TV at its worst. Usually shows like this are about the items these people encounter, and then change the focus to the fake personalities given to the actors.
Disney shitcoms: Every one of them is almost exactly the same. The only difference is the gimmick involved. All the worst possible humor someone could come up with put into a mass of abominations.
Movies meant to inspire belief in God. They can do this a number of ways, but a common trope that I hate seeing is the atheist character, who never has any decent arguments, invariably turns to God in the end, and is just such a terrible representation of atheism. What doesn't help is that practically by necessity, because there are no good arguments for God's existence in movies, the straw that breaks the camel's back is bullshit that any actual atheist would have no problem dealing with - especially when it's traced back to the atheist having a bad experience with God that they talk through, and by removing the reason not to believe, they turn to belief. As an atheist it annoys me to no end because that's my representative, that's the character I'm meant to sympathise with and project onto, and it's bordering on insulting that they write them so poorly. But then I suppose if there was any integrity to these characters it wouldn't be mindless propaganda, it might be a little ambiguous, and we can't have that.
Most romantic movies.
They seem to promote a really unrealistic view of what women should be expecting or desiring in a real relationship. I can't count how many women I knew who held up the Notebook as a true example of what it is to love.
These types of things promote grand gestures as proof that love is meant to be other than being an adult and rolling with the punches. There is nothing meant to be. There are only things we freaking work for over and over again. You choose to Honor the Love. You choose to make it the priority in your life. You choose to do more than just say 'Ok, you did the most. You deserve my love' and think that's your only role in the relationship: Just sitting back and expecting and loving each bigger and brighter grand gesture.
In real life, we don't have a script that will make everything alright. In real life, if you made someone choose you over their dream job, you're not a romantic. you're a selfish person who made someone give up what they might have worked for their entire life because you couldn't budge in your happiness and/or responsibilities.
In real life, having someone fight for you in this day and age just means that person will probably die. Maybe not in that fight, but people will come back for revenge.
In real life, people would consider me a damn fool for buy a horse, a suit of armor, and waiting patiently to slay a dragon. because that fantasy doesn't exist. But a man who sweeps a woman off her feet, does everything for her, basically existing as a handsome accessory/genie that makes every wish the woman desires come to reality with just an 'I love you' being adequate payment is just as improbable.
They seem to promote a really unrealistic view of what women should be expecting or desiring in a real relationship. I can't count how many women I knew who held up the Notebook as a true example of what it is to love.
These types of things promote grand gestures as proof that love is meant to be other than being an adult and rolling with the punches. There is nothing meant to be. There are only things we freaking work for over and over again. You choose to Honor the Love. You choose to make it the priority in your life. You choose to do more than just say 'Ok, you did the most. You deserve my love' and think that's your only role in the relationship: Just sitting back and expecting and loving each bigger and brighter grand gesture.
In real life, we don't have a script that will make everything alright. In real life, if you made someone choose you over their dream job, you're not a romantic. you're a selfish person who made someone give up what they might have worked for their entire life because you couldn't budge in your happiness and/or responsibilities.
In real life, having someone fight for you in this day and age just means that person will probably die. Maybe not in that fight, but people will come back for revenge.
In real life, people would consider me a damn fool for buy a horse, a suit of armor, and waiting patiently to slay a dragon. because that fantasy doesn't exist. But a man who sweeps a woman off her feet, does everything for her, basically existing as a handsome accessory/genie that makes every wish the woman desires come to reality with just an 'I love you' being adequate payment is just as improbable.
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
No, not the "colorful talking horsies have magical adventures" part. That I'm totally cool with, "girly" stuff can be cool, I personally loved Powerpuff Girls, blah blah covering my ass.
What I do hate, however, is the way this show (and a lot of other kids' shows, for that matter) treats introverts.
Preferring solitude is not some crippling disease that can be cured by having a crew of quirky extroverts "bring you out of your shell," it's just the way some people are. Nothing gets on my tits more than when I'm sitting on my own, enjoying a quiet moment and reading a book, and some bubbly dipshit walks up and insists that I join their obnoxious little group out of the boundless kindness of their bleeding hearts. Because I absolutely must be miserable if I'm not running my mouth off with a bunch of other people, right? And then, of course, when I decline (which I usually do politely, at least the first time), I get the whole speech about how they were just trying to be nice, they don't understand why I've got to be so mean, maybe if I'd just let people in I wouldn't have to sit all by myself, and on and on until I go to my happy place and wake up back home with more odd stains on my shirt. And then I go out and hang out with my friends, because as it turns out I have the option of being alone or not, and sometimes I choose solitude. On purpose.
So, yeah. Shows where shy/introverted characters getting harassed by extroverts is treated as a noble effort to "fix" them irritate me.
No, not the "colorful talking horsies have magical adventures" part. That I'm totally cool with, "girly" stuff can be cool, I personally loved Powerpuff Girls, blah blah covering my ass.
What I do hate, however, is the way this show (and a lot of other kids' shows, for that matter) treats introverts.
Preferring solitude is not some crippling disease that can be cured by having a crew of quirky extroverts "bring you out of your shell," it's just the way some people are. Nothing gets on my tits more than when I'm sitting on my own, enjoying a quiet moment and reading a book, and some bubbly dipshit walks up and insists that I join their obnoxious little group out of the boundless kindness of their bleeding hearts. Because I absolutely must be miserable if I'm not running my mouth off with a bunch of other people, right? And then, of course, when I decline (which I usually do politely, at least the first time), I get the whole speech about how they were just trying to be nice, they don't understand why I've got to be so mean, maybe if I'd just let people in I wouldn't have to sit all by myself, and on and on until I go to my happy place and wake up back home with more odd stains on my shirt. And then I go out and hang out with my friends, because as it turns out I have the option of being alone or not, and sometimes I choose solitude. On purpose.
So, yeah. Shows where shy/introverted characters getting harassed by extroverts is treated as a noble effort to "fix" them irritate me.
Yeah I kind of hate this stuff as well. More often then not they are just appealing to fallacy. The fact that the atheists in those movies might have bad arguments for the non existence of god doesn't make yours good.MeChaNiZ3D said:
Any historical drama set in pre-modern times that just stuffs as much sex and modern swearing into the proceedings as possible. Protip: history doesn't need to be turned into a corset fetishist show to be made interesting.
Game of Thrones...don't get it...don't want to...wish people would stop trying to make get in to it.
Urban Fantasy in general
now I will grant that I have not read/seen much of it
but really, taking our modern world and stuffing a bunch of archaic "this and that" in there (usually in the form of a secret society) is just...silly, technology is way more interesting than fairies and wizards and at least with "straight up" epic/heroic fantasy I can "play along" but you want to tell me theres an entire society that manages to remain hidden..for...reasons?...
its a bit like Harry Potter
[i/]hey Voldemort! here's a Nuke....IN YOUR FACE[/i]
now I will grant that I have not read/seen much of it
but really, taking our modern world and stuffing a bunch of archaic "this and that" in there (usually in the form of a secret society) is just...silly, technology is way more interesting than fairies and wizards and at least with "straight up" epic/heroic fantasy I can "play along" but you want to tell me theres an entire society that manages to remain hidden..for...reasons?...
its a bit like Harry Potter
[i/]hey Voldemort! here's a Nuke....IN YOUR FACE[/i]
the language thing I can actually understand, modern language (within reason) allows us to really understand/empathise with whats going on (otherwise the effect can be like actors saying shkespere lines and not knowing what they are saying [i/]words. words words WORDS!!!...words[/i]Dragonlayer said:
though what does make me eyeroll is instilling modern values in people or historical figures of that time to make them more palatable....no I doubt most of them were feminist/pro gay rights/against slave ownership
I suppose I can live with the language issue as long as they don't have Emperor Augustus talking about his bitchin' rad new campaign to pacify those totally lame squares in Germania, but it can be quite irritating. Case in point, that Spartacus: War of the DAAAAAAAMNED show and its various spin-offs: granted, their not exactly "serious" historical dramas but the amount of times characters say any variety of "fuck/****/cock" in 10 minutes, let alone an entire episode, is ludicrous.Vault101 said:
Oh I simply cannot stand that kind of white-washing for historical media: oh this Medieval persona was actually all about female empowerment while bringing about racial and class equality for all? FUCK OFF!
Nice avatar btw.
Anything about zombies taking over the world or people trying to survive the zombie apocalypse or bullshit like that.
Breaking Bad. It sounds stupid, it's not interesting, and no, making meth and being a provider for people to ruin their lives so you can get money from your family is not a good reason.
Also Adventure Time's "LOL SO RANDUM" concept is just obnoxious and I will have no part in that show.
Breaking Bad. It sounds stupid, it's not interesting, and no, making meth and being a provider for people to ruin their lives so you can get money from your family is not a good reason.
Also Adventure Time's "LOL SO RANDUM" concept is just obnoxious and I will have no part in that show.
I was under the impression that they said everything that takes place after Episode 6 is no longer canon, and the Force Unleashed Games occur before Episode 6.Shoggoth2588 said:
Well, this isn't actually true. Like, at all. Despite claims to the contrary, Van Buren never got past the concept phase and pretty much everything which wasn't is what we got in the unstable, far from finished demo. And given which (failed) project most of those involved ended up working on, it's clear that any of the changes that would have been implemented into Van Buren that where not already in the demo would not have gone over well.Dr. McD said:
As for the perceived lack of quality in the game, I'd point to either Fallout Tactics (and namely the fan reaction to when it first came out, with it only changing into a generally positive one years after they came out), but I'll instead remind you and everyone else of the fate Fallout escaped because of Bethesda buying it: Fallout Brotherhood of Steel. Where Bethesda's games have been a 2nd base "they are genuinely trying and it is at least fun in its own way" in Fallout 3 and a home run that is New Vegas, Brotherhood of Steel was an unmitigated disaster of a cash grab by Interplay which was an abomination that puts everything that holds the title of Fallout into real perspective when it comes to butchery of the series.
Fallout 3 is far from perfect, but it's because of it that we got New Vegas and any other potential sequels down the line. Is that really worst then the franchise becoming one Brotherhood of Steel after another?