Shows that Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot

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Anime in general tends to squander awesome set-ups. Most of the ones that spring to mind have been said: Naruto, Bleach, Sword Art Online etc. but I'd like to add Hellsing (awesome set up that just seemed to go nowhere really) and Durarara (all kinds of interesting characters in that but instead lets focus on the high school kids because that's what anime always does).
 

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MysticSlayer said:
If you guys want to see another anime with a trapped in an MMO angle then check out Log Horizon, its like Sword art if sword art didn't suck and have a horrible main character.
 

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GamerKT said:
canadamus_prime said:
Guys, he left of his own free will, it's not like he was kidnapped or anything. What exactly were you planning on doing? Dragging him back kicking and screaming?
Yes, actually. Naruto said that he'll bring Sasuke back even if he has to break his arms and legs. I don't think that he's worth all that trouble, but they did address this method.
That still doesn't address the issue that he left of his own free will. It's not like Orochimaru (sp?) kidnapped him.
 
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canadamus_prime said:
That still doesn't address the issue that he left of his own free will. It's not like Orochimaru (sp?) kidnapped him.
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at here. Are you saying that this event undermined the overarching story of the series?
 

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gandhi the peacemake said:
canadamus_prime said:
That still doesn't address the issue that he left of his own free will. It's not like Orochimaru (sp?) kidnapped him.
I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at here. Are you saying that this event undermined the overarching story of the series?
I don't know about the whole series, but it certainly undermined that particular story arc. I never got passed the first series, so I can't say much beyond that.
 

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Why has no one mentioned Star Trek Voyager? Stranded on the far side of the galaxy without allies and limited resources, some how the crew managed to fire fifty-three extra of their non-replaceable photon torpedos. They also managed to crash nine more shuttles than they had on board plus build their own super shuttle mid series. I would've expected a ship half working because systems were cannibalized for more important systems at the show's end. Voyager arrived back in the Alpha Quadrant so Shiny and in BETTER than new condition,(B'elanna was always making upgrades and the floors of the bridge appeared to have been vacuumed!) you'd have expected it to have that new ship smell! I could be wrong, but I think the holodeck was running too.
 

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Worgen said:
Zontar said:
MysticSlayer said:
If you guys want to see another anime with a trapped in an MMO angle then check out Log Horizon, its like Sword art if sword art didn't suck and have a horrible main character.
Yeah, I actually got introduce to Log Horizon partially because of SAO. I was essentially looking for a similar anime but closer to what I was hoping SAO would have been. I absolutely loved it and, short of the first couple episodes, would actually consider it one of my favorite anime.
 

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gandhi the peacemake said:
Honestly, all of the villains thus far have been suitably well-defined, including the second season ones that people apparently don't like. What they lacked, though, was that all-encompassing menace that you could only achieve by slowly expanding upon their characters throughout the seasons (a la Ozai and Azula). It would have made for some interesting conflicts of interest, too. Unalaq freeing the four assassins in order to help him take control of the South in exchange for the Avatar's head; Amon taking on Unalaq as part of his crusade against benders; when whatshisface-dark-spirit-lord is freed, the four assassins turn on Unalaq in order to gain its powers; Amon attempts to seal said whatshisface's power and/or merges with it... The stories they could have told would have been really interesting stuff.
Whoa yea, that sounds like a much more interesting time!

I'm not saying the other villains are bad btw, but I really loved the design and character of Amon. I also liked his whole 'revolutionary movement', his rebel army of chi blockers, the right-hand man was cool and he had a suitably dramatic backstory. It just annoys me so that he -and the other villains and characters for that matter- were wasted the way they were. The entire Amon storyline feels rushed, as if it was ment to go for a full season and had to be cut down to fit within the few episodes they got.

gandhi the peacemake said:
As for the love triangle, I again think that if they'd just let it progress naturally over a longer period of time, it would have made for more interesting watching than it was. All three are enjoyable enough characters (though the scales tip waaaaaay in Asami's direction, with Korra and Mako coming in distant second and third, respectively) that they could make a triangle work given enough space.
Yea, maybe I guess... I just find love triangles such a bummer and not at all interesting. Worst of all, I cannot understand what both girls see in blank slate Mako... This may be a cardinal sin, but he actually reminded me of Sokka from TLA movie at times. Which is NOT a good thing! Meh idk, I really didn't like it, and I don't much care for Mako. Bolin is alright, at least he gets some laughs at times.

gandhi the peacemake said:
Agreed; I think many fans are of this opinion. Though to be fair, it was made pretty obvious from the very get-go that Amon's "spirit bending" wasn't actually spirit bending. That Korra would eventually break out of it was a given, but the way in which it happened was the major letdown. Korra should have taken the initiative and worked to regain her bending by diving back into her training and mastering herself as the Avatar, not have it restored to her via deus ex machina.
I was actually getting excited for season 2 by the end of the first one, because it looked like they really had thrown Korra in at the deep end. It had such great potential for a story arch -maybe we'd finally learn something about Korra besides the "I'm a hothead so I did something stupid, ohw now it's ok cause I learned from it" that seems to repeat it self every other episode... But no, pissed away in what I can only imagine must have been a last minute change to satisfy the suits or something. The whole first season feels like that, a series of last minute changes and compromises forced on the creators by the big wigs.

gandhi the peacemake said:
I actually quite liked the pro-bending. It's a quick and effective way to illustrate how different this Avatar world is from the previous Avatar world. It's a world-building mechanic.
I know a lot of people liked the pro bending, but for me it took up too much space. I like it as sort of a natural evolution and modernizing of the kind of tournament fighting Toph does in her introduction for TLA, but so many of the battles in the first season -first few episodes in particular- takes place within the ruleset of that game, which feels too restricted for me. In TLA there were so many fun and creative battles; air and earth bending in particular had a great contrast to eachother in the show.

gandhi the peacemake said:
2.) I'm not so sure if the origins of the Avatar was something that needed to be told, or even SHOULD have been told. The mystery surrounding it, as well as the seeming timelessness of it, is what makes it such an interesting piece of the Avatar world. That said, what they did with it - especially the art style used, that was top freakin' notch - was top grade.
I see what you mean, and in a way I agree. If the rest of the season had been better I imagine I'd be of a similar opinion, but as it turned out I find those two(?) episodes spent mostly focusing on the first Avatar to be the most interesting by far! And yea, the artstyle and animation was absolutely incredible.
 

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Yeah, Naruto went insane some time ago, although I never really watch it for the plot, so it's not going to be my pick...

Death Note on the other hand... Due to characters and the art style, and the fact that it was "the shit" at the time, I was very reserved towards it. Then I finally caved in... And after first 10 or so episodes I thought "I was wrong, and they were right. This thing is amazing". An exciting super-logic duel between two geniuses. Then Misa happened. Then the "genius plans" started becoming more and more of a reach instead of a well-crafted careful job. Then you-know-who died and was replaced by his "the same, only annoying instead of cool" version. Shame... Real shame.

Also - Gantz. I would've be more satisfied if they never actually explained what Gantz is, how it works and why.
 

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Star Trek: Voyager.

The whole idea was supposed to be a ship and crew operating without the massive safety net that is Federation space. Ships and crews are only formidable because they can rest and resupply at starbases. Without replacements or repairs, Voyager would gradually degrade to an exhausted skeleton crew limping along in a busted ship.

That isn't what happened. Oh, sure, there were nods to hydroponics and water rationing, but I recall no serious problems. The lone exception was the first part of "Year of Hell," basically showing the ship and crew beat to hell and low on everything, like you'd expect after a tough time without resupply. Then everything got fixed and it was status quo by the second act break.

The writers chose to give us about 10 minutes of what the entire show should have been. The rest was uninspired rehash of other, better Trek shows. The happy, magical Disney ending they gave it was a further insult to the original premise.
 

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Knowing, purely because of that bullshit ending.
Yeah.Fuck Knowing. Piece of shit fucking shitty ass fucking bullshit movie.

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How has no one mentioned either Waking Dead or Falling Skies yet? Seriously? Both of those shows started out great and just turned to shit.
 

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Johnny Impact said:
Star Trek: Voyager.

The whole idea was supposed to be a ship and crew operating without the massive safety net that is Federation space. Ships and crews are only formidable because they can rest and resupply at starbases. Without replacements or repairs, Voyager would gradually degrade to an exhausted skeleton crew limping along in a busted ship.

That isn't what happened. Oh, sure, there were nods to hydroponics and water rationing, but I recall no serious problems. The lone exception was the first part of "Year of Hell," basically showing the ship and crew beat to hell and low on everything, like you'd expect after a tough time without resupply. Then everything got fixed and it was status quo by the second act break.

The writers chose to give us about 10 minutes of what the entire show should have been. The rest was uninspired rehash of other, better Trek shows. The happy, magical Disney ending they gave it was a further insult to the original premise.
Yeah, Voyager was a depressing waste of potential. Just... look at all the possible storylines they wasted. A divided crew, where half of them are Starfleet, and the other half are Maqui freedom fighters/terrorists. Neither group cares much for the other, but now they have to work together in order to get home.

A ship slowly falling apart, forcing the crew to constantly repair and/or jury rig the ship back together in order to keep it functioning.

New species, possible allies who join Voyager on its quest back to the Alpha Quadrant, forming an ad-hoc nomadic mini-Federation in the process.

But no, what we got was a poorly written show where status quo was God in the worst possible way. I'll give Kate Mulgrew this; she's an Amazing actor for managing to make her character come across as consistent despite being written to be a different person every episode.
 

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The Irregular at Magic High School is currently airing, but I find myself unmotivated to watch it past the first seven episodes, which isn't even past the first story-arc of the series.

The show is set in a world where magic has been brought to life through the power or science and programming sequences, which is interesting because the main character can read casting sequences so quickly that he is able to develop counter-measures for enemy casting, even though his own magical aptitude isn't that great. Other students use their electronic focuses in interesting ways and can even have others program those devices for them to use different spells that they themselves would have a hard time creating. They're basically like wizards. So... Techno mages, I guess. Raw power isn't all that matters - clever use of magic overcomes the brash casters, which is why I like it so well.

The world itself is interesting because the now-common use of magic across the world has led to a post-World War III cold war, where the arms race now involves countries training up as many mages as possible through their academies, the most prestigious of which is attended by the main character and his sister, where only top students are allowed to attend, although some students who's aptitude for magic is lower are still allowed in as reserves and receive secondary privileges to the First Course students, so there's some class-ism going on as well since the Second Course students are often getting harassed by the First Course students.

Sound interesting? Sadly, it's not executed well once you start watching it. The entire premise for the show became lost on me once I saw it was one of those kind of shows where the main character is amazing at everything, a hit with the ladies, and whose skills are recognized by the First Course students, thus quickly rendering his status as a Second Course student moot. The thing is, we're also supposed to believe this guy, who is also a ninjutsu master (because it wouldn't be anime if he wasn't, amirite?), is the underdog, when not once are we ever presented with evidence that he is.

I could forgive such a protagonist, but you immediately start to find out that, surprise, tons of these Second Course students are actually badasses in disguise. There's just an air of smugness about it. There's no tension because you know someone's just going to bullshit their way out of something, and it always happens so quickly and effortlessly that I can fully understand how someone could describe action as 'ball-numbing.' Pile that on top of other characters that behave irrationally, even by Japanese Anime standards, and the whole class-ism thing getting cranked up to 11 way too soon, and they've ruined the really cool jumping off point they'd started with.

Totally seconding this one. The first three episodes were fantastic, but then they took the "Flawless Main Character" route. I stopped watching it as soon as I heard the "You've made the impossible possible" line. They took a humble yet intelligent and secretly bad ass protagonist and turned him into some Mega Wizard who could LITERALLY do anything.
 

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sextus the crazy said:
Strike Witches. Y'all might say that it's just a fanservice show and I shouldn't be angry at it for being one. I disagree. The show clearly is trying to have plot and drama and characters, but it is so fucking undermined by it's stupid fanservice bullshit that it fails as both a drama and a fanservice show. And the second season is the lazest copy-paste job I've seen in years.
Never watched it, but I think this is a problem with the asthetic instead of the plot, the plot would be the same even if they actually dressed properly. Still, how bad is the second season?
 
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I'm not saying the other villains are bad btw, but I really loved the design and character of Amon. I also liked his whole 'revolutionary movement', his rebel army of chi blockers, the right-hand man was cool and he had a suitably dramatic backstory.
This is all true.

He was also voiced by Steve Blum. So any time Amon speaks I imagine for a moment that Spike Spiegel's beneath that mask, and I swoon, just a little.

Ahem. But anyway.

Worst of all, I cannot understand what both girls see in blank slate Mako... This may be a cardinal sin, but he actually reminded me of Sokka from TLA movie at times.
Also true. (Also also, that comparison is spot on.) I imagine it has to do with the whole "good-looking and broody reluctant hero with a tragic backstory" veneer that quickly gave way to the cardboard cutout that he actually is.

It would be really nice to see the creators work around that for the rest of the series. Like, have Mako realize just how immature he actually is and take steps to grow up. If they end the series with him knowing better than to try and get back together with Korrasami, then bonus points.

I know a lot of people liked the pro bending, but for me it took up too much space. I like it as sort of a natural evolution and modernizing of the kind of tournament fighting Toph does in her introduction for TLA, but so many of the battles in the first season -first few episodes in particular- takes place within the ruleset of that game, which feels too restricted for me. In TLA there were so many fun and creative battles; air and earth bending in particular had a great contrast to eachother in the show.
I can see where this is coming from. They could have kept it as a background detail after introducing the boys, freeing up space and time for other interactions.

But while we're on the subject of battles, it seems to me that the bending is all becoming interchangeable. The movements and martial arts styles that informed the bending in the past aren't so apparent anymore; it's all MMA and kickboxing now, which translates to everybody throwing what amounts to different colored concussive blasts at each other.

That said, they still look slick as hell. And another point in LoK's favor: They really know how to construct trailers. And I mean that in the sincerest way. The trailers for all three Books have been stellar, from the music to the editing to... just... god, it's beautiful stuff.

http://youtu.be/A0UBbzeFc74
 

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Lost instantly comes to mind as it sets interesting things up in the first 2 seasons and the gradually becomes a total mess.

Death Note is fantastic up until part way into Season 2. It takes a significant turn and goes downhill from there.
While I love Death Note to pieces, you're completely right. The plot was brilliant but at some point it weakened. It got really interesting again toward the end and then it ended. I never knew how to feel about it. It's still one of the best animes out there but the thing is, it could have been even better.
 

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gandhi the peacemake said:
Also true. (Also also, that comparison is spot on.) I imagine it has to do with the whole "good-looking and broody reluctant hero with a tragic backstory" veneer that quickly gave way to the cardboard cutout that he actually is.

It would be really nice to see the creators work around that for the rest of the series. Like, have Mako realize just how immature he actually is and take steps to grow up. If they end the series with him knowing better than to try and get back together with Korrasami, then bonus points.
Yea, he's definently not beyond saving, mostly because he is such a non-character. Basically all we know about him at this point is that he has a tragic backstory, loves his brother, and is sort of a dick to women.

gandhi the peacemake said:
But while we're on the subject of battles, it seems to me that the bending is all becoming interchangeable. The movements and martial arts styles that informed the bending in the past aren't so apparent anymore; it's all MMA and kickboxing now, which translates to everybody throwing what amounts to different colored concussive blasts at each other.
Yea, that's what I got too. I figured it was caused by the whole pro bending thing, where what they can do is already very limited, but now that you mention it... Seems to bleed out into the rest of the show as well. It's a shame, I enjoyed the fights in TLA more.

Ohw, I have to mention the fight in Tarrloks office in S1. That shit was epic, and the use of the waterfall was really cool. Big point in LoK's favour there, but still not enough to pull it ahead of my favorites from TLA.

gandhi the peacemake said:
That said, they still look slick as hell. And another point in LoK's favor: They really know how to construct trailers. And I mean that in the sincerest way. The trailers for all three Books have been stellar, from the music to the editing to... just... god, it's beautiful stuff.
Absolutely! LoK looks absolutely incredible, the animation and art style is spot on. I don't think I have seen a single frame that looked out of place or ugly in any sense of the word, the animation team really outdid themselves on this stuff. It's just such a bummer that the rest of the show doesn't do their work justice.

As a final aside -the show is still good, don't get me wrong. I'm generally having fun watching it, and I suspect the only reason I'm being so hard on it is because considering what they did with TLA I expected more. We KNOW they can do better, and I really wish they had...
 

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I'd say Sword Art Online. Don't get me wrong, I like the show, but it seriously focused way, way too much on the romantic plots of it. I mean, there's nothing wrong with shows that focus on romance, but when they set it up with the premise that they did, they could have done so much more interesting things, but no, we got cheesy romance with DSOS(drawing shit out syndrome, as seen in DeathNote). I won't call it bad, but it really could have been so much more, and it's kind of sad that it wasn't. Also, things that pissed me off about the show, why were Kirito and Asuna still alive after they had died in the game? If they didn't die, did anyone else that died survive? If not, why not? What happened to Laughing Coffin, why'd they just disappear? The creator seriously got lazy as hell. Again, I still like the show, but the creator is A: awful, and B: an idiot for wasting such a good premise for stupid teen love.

Season 2 Legend of Korra. I shouldn't even have to go into detail on this one.
 

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Torchwood - Miracle Day.

A global crisis coming not from everyone being in danger of dying but everyone being unable to die (but still have the same health concerns i.e. illness and hunger etc.)

They touched on some interesting things and then spent the rest of the time with flashbacks of Captain Jack's ex-boyfriend and some new really annoying American agents before solving the problem by bleeding into a giant supernatural vagina in the middle of the Earth.

And Bill Pullman's character was completely pointless.