"Shut up because I'm a soldier!"

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Mid-Boss

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This is going to be a touchy subject since we Americans idolize soldiers as much as we do. So I'm going to establish right off the bat that I respect soldiers for what they done and the sacrifices they've made. This wont stop most of the knee jerk reaction I'm sure this will get but maybe some of it.

That being said, I don't think being a soldier automatically means their opinions are right. But they bring up their combat history as if that makes all their opinions right.

I was recently arguing with a very right wing old man who stated "If Obama had given us all that bail out money every American would be a millionaire right now!"

And I said "But if we were all millionaires then a load of bread would cost a thousand dollars."

"I'm a soldier and I had three tours in Vietnam and that's not how it works."

Long awkward pause because, I too, respect soldiers and I wondered if I should pursue this or just let it go.... But fuck this guy. I don't care if you're Superman, stupidity is stupidity. So I said "It's called INFLATION. The more money we have the more things cost! If everyone had ten times more money then everything would COST ten times more. It's basic economics."

The argument went on and skewed off into other subjects like how he thought the rich shouldn't be taxed at all because they give us jobs and we should honor them for that etc etc etc. But the sticking point for me was... He brought up his combat history repeatedly as if killing people in Vietnam made his opinion more correct than mine. And he got very... VERY upset that no matter how many times he brought up that he was a soldier, I wouldn't back down.

Honestly, he's not the only one. I've seen soldiers bring up that they are soldiers, their tours, etc many times as a way to establish their own credibility.

If I used my job I'd say "I'm a janitor of two years and I clean shit off walls put there by ignorant slob tourists and my opinion of economic reform is this!" See how ridiculous that sounded? That's what I feel when they try to pull their combat history into a discussion that has nothing to do with combat.

But they can do it not get called out on it.
 

Count Igor

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I know how you feel - many times I've been.. debating (Totally not arguing!) in a group of people, and someone will say "I'm a soldier!" and suddenly he's automatically right.
It's gotten to the point that now I'll just argue against anyone who says that, even if I hold their viewpoint.
Of course, if I win and now everyone agrees with the new viewpoint, I have to switch back and argue once again. But in the right way, not just bringing up jobs.
 

Thaluikhain

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I've never heard that used in general conversations, only when being a soldier would be sorta relevant. Though, it often ends up as "I understand Muslims better than you, cause I killed a bunch", where it may or may not be an important part.

In any case, the appeal to authority is a logical fallacy anyway...although someone with more experience should be more likely to be right.
 

SonOfVoorhees

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They should be called on it if you think they are wrong. Regardless of whether they have combat experience or not. Unless it is military related, then screw their opinion if you think they are wrong.
 

Guffe

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In Finland we don't have that problem (yet) since everyone here (male) has to do military service. Very few have actually been in a war zone but we all have military training (or at least most of us).

I think it sounds wrong to say "I am a..." and therefor better than anyone else. UNLESS it actually has with your work to do, like you were discussing economics (inflation) so if he'd been a manager of a bank or something that would've said he has some intel in that particular area but saying "I am a Firefighter and therefor I know how lightbulbs work " doesn't make sense... (damn that text is just confusing -.-)
 

Jakub324

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I have to say I've never encountered that attitude. In the UK, even soldiers have to present an argument that's as valid as everyone else's.
 

EmperorSubcutaneous

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It's not just soldiers. Anyone who is or does something that society considers praiseworthy has a tendency to think that they themselves are flawless. It's why so many celebrities are so full of themselves. The military is highly praised and respected in our culture right now, so it's going to have an effect.

(Of course this isn't true for everyone. But the tendency is there.)
 

Smooth Operator

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Ya people tend to think that a certain status prevents them from being morons, well sadly it doesn't.

You may be brilliant at what you do but that doesn't magically extend to all other areas, even if we like to believe it does.
 

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TheSilverTeen said:
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I agree, if I question a military action, I don't care about the soldiers?
Especially weird when you're questioning whether it was necessary to put them in danger. And yet, I've been there. I don't support the troops, because I DON'T want them to be butchered horrendously by IEDs.

I'm not sure how that works, but hey.
 

Cavan

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I have seen this in a lessor way while talking to a lifeguard.

The line of conversation going "no i'm a lifeguard so I should know(more or less everything medical related ever because I did a first aid course)"

At which point I became the bad guy of the argument in the eyes of everybody.
 

AnarchistFish

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Yeah, in the UK we don't really have that. Soldiers are extremely respected and there's a bit of a taboo against saying anything against them but when it comes to arguments they wouldn't be able to use that card..
 

Yosato

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Jakub324 said:
I have to say I've never encountered that attitude. In the UK, even soldiers have to present an argument that's as valid as everyone else's.
I'm from England too, but I've heard it a few times so it can't just be a USA thing. OP is dead right, it just seems to be an 'automatic win' response to an argument even though it's not a point, it's a declaration. Soldiers don't understand international politics and the like any better than we do.
 

Sonicron

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... Say what?? The utter stupidity of it...
Granted, I'll probably never get into this kind of situation (what with me not being an American and all), but if some guy actually pulled this card on me I'd laugh at them. Hard.
 

ShindoL Shill

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in some situations, bringing up your job does work.
for example, if you were discussing the best caliber bullet to kill an person, or if he had a Masters in Economics.

but not when its totally unrelated.
 

DeadXV

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My adivce is to keep a packet of biscuits (cookies) in your pocket the next time you talk to this man (or at any time since cookies are awesome) and when he brings up his tours and what not whip out a cookie and hand it to him saying "Good for you, have a cookie".

Maybe that'll make him realise he's being a dick.
 

ZeroMachine

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I would have outright said "what the hell does you fighting in a war have to do with this?"
I don't stand ignorance and stupidity for any reason. I'm civil about calling it out, but I don't ever let it slide.
 

TheIronRuler

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Mid-Boss said:
This is going to be a touchy subject since we Americans idolize soldiers as much as we do. So I'm going to establish right off the bat that I respect soldiers for what they done and the sacrifices they've made. This wont stop most of the knee jerk reaction I'm sure this will get but maybe some of it.

That being said, I don't think being a soldier automatically means their opinions are right. But they bring up their combat history as if that makes all their opinions right.

I was recently arguing with a very right wing old man who stated "If Obama had given us all that bail out money every American would be a millionaire right now!"

And I said "But if we were all millionaires then a load of bread would cost a thousand dollars."

"I'm a soldier and I had three tours in Vietnam and that's not how it works."

Long awkward pause because, I too, respect soldiers and I wondered if I should pursue this or just let it go.... But fuck this guy. I don't care if you're Superman, stupidity is stupidity. So I said "It's called INFLATION. They more money we have the more things cost! If everyone had ten times more money then everything would COST ten times more. It's basic economics."

The argument went on and skewed off into other subjects like how he thought the rich shouldn't be taxed at all because they give us jobs and we should honor them for that etc etc etc. But the sticking point for me was... He brought up his combat history repeatedly as if killing people in Vietnam made his opinion more correct than mine. And he got very... VERY upset that no matter how many times he brought up that he was a soldier, I wouldn't back down.

Honestly, he's not the only one. I've seen soldiers bring up that they are soldiers, their tours, etc many times as a way to establish their own credibility.

If I used my job I'd say "I'm a janitor of two years and I clean shit off walls put there by ignorant slob tourists and my opinion of economic reform is this!" See how ridiculous that sounded? That's what I feel when they try to pull their combat history into a discussion that has nothing to do with combat.

But they can do it not get called out on it.
It doesn't matter. Just like your own example, your life experience usually doesn't weigh much in your opinions unless you work in the field, since you have a better understanding of economics if you are an economics professor your opinion is much more informed than others. But being a soldier doesn't give you anything besides knowing how to handle a weapon, fitness and protocol.
 

The Funslinger

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Jakub324 said:
I have to say I've never encountered that attitude. In the UK, even soldiers have to present an argument that's as valid as everyone else's.
Yeah, I've never run into the douche bag soldier thing here in the UK. Though, I have promised a friend that if, when I join the Royal Marines I ever call a regular person a "civvy", he's allowed to punch me in the face.