"Shut up because I'm a soldier!"
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And God help you if you're a liberal or an atheist in the military. Or a woman who was raped by her own comrades.EmperorSubcutaneous said:
I think it's like when people call free speech unamerican.
The way I see it, bringing up your status as a Military Veteran or member lends credibility if you are talking about military subjects, or even foreign policy sometimes, but when you leave those areas, you are just using appeal to emotion. The guy you were talking to sounds kind of stupid.
I think soldiers receive a disproportionate amount of awe. I don't say that to take anything away from them; they are very brave, and potentially saving my ass as we speak. But at the same time, I feel more respect for, say, fishermen. Fishermen risk their lives everyday, they don't receive a fraction of the appreciation, and they aren't doing it for some lofty goal like "freedom". They are doing it to feed us. A soldier fighting in some distant, third world country may be protecting freedom in some circuitous fashion (or maybe not), but what about the guys who are actually dying just to give me some more food choices at an ASDA?
I don't think that is entirely fair to blame big business for everything. Recessions are largely about consumer confidence, so whilst foolish, selfish bankers might have started the crisis, it was us members of the public who perpetuated it by stuffing the matresses, spending less, and ensuring more businesses would run out of cash. Giving money to businesses and banks and restoring confidence is (unfortunately) the only way to get things moving again.spartan231490 said:
If the Guard doesn't find out about my YCL membership, I'll be joining the National Guard quite likely. Agree with the OP about how if we were all millionaires bread would cost $1000.
Or does desire to serve the nation not count? Do I have to actually sign the enlistment papers first and then my opinions will all change to agree with the "correct" opinions of the soldier above?
Or does desire to serve the nation not count? Do I have to actually sign the enlistment papers first and then my opinions will all change to agree with the "correct" opinions of the soldier above?
Here's the thing. In the military, there are people who abuse that they're in the military. They think it makes them special. I know guys who will walk around in their PT uniform to pick up women, and guys who will only shop in uniform because stores will give discounts. Most guys don't, but there will always be that small number of assholes who believe they deserve respect for arbitrary reasons. It's always hilarious when they do that shit around officers who will chew them out in public.
As an ex British Soldier with 12 years service behind him I can say, with hand on heart, that my combat history makes all my opinions correct.....
That was a joke folks.
If i'm in a debate about anything then my military background is meaningless unless it's a debate about anything military related.
That was a joke folks.
If i'm in a debate about anything then my military background is meaningless unless it's a debate about anything military related.
I don't respect anyone more than for who they are. However soldiers to me are just people who murder other people for the ideals for of their country/own, so they don't get any respect for that from me.
I really do despise people demanding respect for a (un)official title they might have, like teachers or cops.
I really do despise people demanding respect for a (un)official title they might have, like teachers or cops.
Yeah, I know a guy like that in college. He too is a bible-thumper who was in debate, debate apparently being about trying to put words in your opponent's mouth rather than bringing up issues that may have been overlooked within the arguement. He's also a military brat, which means he knows absolutely everything about the military and all it's issues by virtue of "knowing people." And anytime it seems my friends and I see to have the upper hand in a debate, he reminds us that there are issues we are missing because "the military has a secret program about it that they won't release information about for 10 more years." If that's the case, how the hell does he know about it?Mr_Self-Destruct said:
The absolute best thing he happens to bring up however, has to be the fact that he's a history major. Not a graduate with a degree in it mind you, he's just majoring in it. Also, history is apparently an omni-disciplinary field which covers all subjects from nutrition and health to women's rights from their beginnings up to and including current issues. I could bring up how I'm a philosophy major to him, and how as a philosophy major I know how to properly reason and am trained specifically to see through sleazeball debate tactics like he uses, but I don't because I know that simply majoring in something doesn't mean jack shit, and even if you have as high a degree as a doctorate you can still be stupid or pretentious.
This is just another skewed story. It's presented from one side as that person remembers it.
I don't doubt that the person worked military experience into the situation, but I highly doubt it played out exactly like that, like some kind of trump card with no other relevance to the discussion.
Really it seems the OP and the vet where arguing about something neither of them had any right to be arguing about except from a purely philosophical viewpoint, as neither seemed to have any idea what they where actually talking about.
I don't doubt that the person worked military experience into the situation, but I highly doubt it played out exactly like that, like some kind of trump card with no other relevance to the discussion.
Really it seems the OP and the vet where arguing about something neither of them had any right to be arguing about except from a purely philosophical viewpoint, as neither seemed to have any idea what they where actually talking about.
Theres no regs against it to my knowledge beyond that you can't wear your uniform to anything to do with it.2012 Wont Happen said:
Personally, I would have countered with facts. ~Recently released documentation pertaining to American spies in the Japanese government during that time revealed that the Japanese were strongly considering surrender at that point. They had been negotiating terms so that the royal family could still hold a position, even if it was just as a figurehead. The bombs were dropped because the US got tired of waiting for a consensus to be reached because with the western front won, they feared that the Russians would turn their attention to Japan, and we simply could not let communists use Japan as a base of operations.Gamblerjoe said:
In short, we killed a bunch of Japanese civilians because we hated Russia.
Wish that the History channel would go back to covering WWII and stuff, I got this info from PBS. With all the documentation that is being declassified about that period of time, they could really get people to think about our society. Of course, that's why it'll never happen. God forbid someone questions about what was supposedly the most righteous thing our military has ever done.
On topic, ersatz authority figures make me laugh. Congradulations, you served (emphasis on the past tense) in the military. Unless you're currently an active officer, I could care shit less about what you tell me to do. Heck, even then, unless it pertains to a crisis situation, I'm likely to ignore you regardless. Your mastery of the ability to point the shooty end of a gun at something does not make you the authority on animal husbandry. (A skill for which I am told there a limitless uses)