Shut up Zerg! A minor complaint about Heart of the Swarm.

[CorvusFerreum]

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Well, if it's Primordials and regular Zerg talking I can see your point. That indeed seems just silly. I somehow just assumed it would be special Zerg. Laugh's on me, I guess.

I won't watch the cutscenes right, because I don't want too many spoilers. I would watch all the cutscenes if I start once, it's just a nasty habit of mine. I hope I will get to play it soon to see for myself.

BTW: And after reading my original post again I must say it sounded kinda harsh. That was absolutely not my intention. I'm just plain bad at conveying the intended mood via writing. So I hope you didn't take offense.
(The tyranid thing was just meant as a little joke to point out one of the main inspiraions for the Zerg.)

 

[Abomination]

The player was a cerebrate in the first Starcraft, is that cerebrate dead now too?

I believe he went the way of the "Commander" you played in the first game. Non existence.

I like to think the player character from SC1 is Matt actually, it makes sense after all: He's a deliberate and strategic mind that's loyal to Raynor and oversees the battles from the Hyperion.

The cerebrates on the other hand just all seem to have vanished, presumably killed off-screen by Kerrigan early on to consolidate her power.

I always just took it as you just killed yourself. IE the "Commander" from SC1 was killed on Char. The cerebrate in SC1 was killed by the Dark Templar and the protos guy was killed by the new cerebrate in Brood War. Makes it a little easier to explain if you ask me.

I don't know about Starcraft 1, but in Starcaft 2 I'm pretty sure the commander is Jim Raynor.

Jim does take over, yes, but he still shares command with Matt. Matt also appeared out of the blue for the campaign but apparently has a long history of fighting in the same conflicts as Raynor.

Perhaps the cerebrate IS Abathur? That cerebrate was brought into existence to create the Queen of Blades and Kerrigan mentions the history they both shared while she was evolving. At the same time Abathur mentions he was given full sentience after the Overmind was destroyed BY Kerrigan - which she does at the start of Brood War to the PC. He also looks like a cerebrate with his slug-like body and "brain-bug" mandibles.

Finally the SC1 Protoss commander could have been Artanis, replaced by another nameless commander for Brood War. Or maybe with the next expansion we will be introduced to another secondary character for the Protoss.

 

[DragonStorm247]

Yeah, I thought it was kind of strange that there were so many talking Zerg. It used to be that the Overmind and the Cerebrates would communicate psionically, and only Kerrigan even had vocal chords, because she was originally a Terran. And why the Overmind would have bothered with evolving a creature like Izsha, I have no fucking idea. Same thing goes for evolution guy: the Overmind was a being of almost limitless intelligence, and I don't see it creating a single more creature with independent will than it absolutely has to, when it can do the job itself.

Izsha was originally an adjudant infested by Kerrigan, then they changed it so adjudants were robotic rather than cyborgs, so they retconned her into a medic. And to be fair, all the Broodmothers are communicating psionically.

Abathur was great, was like having an evil Mordin Solus.

I actually found it interesting that the Zerg swarm has transitioned from a sort of male-centric structure (Overmind -> Cerebrates -> Overlords) to a strongly feminine one (Kerrigan -> Broodmothers -> Queens).

The player was a cerebrate in the first Starcraft, is that cerebrate dead now too?

I believe he went the way of the "Commander" you played in the first game. Non existence.

I like to think the player character from SC1 is Matt actually, it makes sense after all: He's a deliberate and strategic mind that's loyal to Raynor and oversees the battles from the Hyperion.

The cerebrates on the other hand just all seem to have vanished, presumably killed off-screen by Kerrigan early on to consolidate her power.

I always just took it as you just killed yourself. IE the "Commander" from SC1 was killed on Char. The cerebrate in SC1 was killed by the Dark Templar and the protos guy was killed by the new cerebrate in Brood War. Makes it a little easier to explain if you ask me.

I don't know about Starcraft 1, but in Starcaft 2 I'm pretty sure the commander is Jim Raynor.

Jim does take over, yes, but he still shares command with Matt. Matt also appeared out of the blue for the campaign but apparently has a long history of fighting in the same conflicts as Raynor.

Perhaps the cerebrate IS Abathur? That cerebrate was brought into existence to create the Queen of Blades and Kerrigan mentions the history they both shared while she was evolving. At the same time Abathur mentions he was given full sentience after the Overmind was destroyed BY Kerrigan - which she does at the start of Brood War to the PC. He also looks like a cerebrate with his slug-like body and "brain-bug" mandibles.

Finally the SC1 Protoss commander could have been Artanis, replaced by another nameless commander for Brood War. Or maybe with the next expansion we will be introduced to another secondary character for the Protoss.

Protoss executor is implied to be Artanis, then Selendis in BW.

 

[Abomination]

Protoss executor is implied to be Artanis, then Selendis in BW.

Well there ya go.

I am wondering most about the Zerg cerebrate though, wondering if anyone else shares my theory.

 

[DragonStorm247]

Protoss executor is implied to be Artanis, then Selendis in BW.

Well there ya go.

I am wondering most about the Zerg cerebrate though, wondering if anyone else shares my theory.

I've never heard that before. While it does sound interesting, its incredibly unlikely, as Abathur was designed with the specific purpose of guiding the Swarm's evolution, whereas the cerebrate was created to guard Kerrigan while she developed. It's implied that Abathur has been around for a very long time.

 

[Abomination]

Protoss executor is implied to be Artanis, then Selendis in BW.

Well there ya go.

I am wondering most about the Zerg cerebrate though, wondering if anyone else shares my theory.

I've never heard that before. While it does sound interesting, its incredibly unlikely, as Abathur was designed with the specific purpose of guiding the Swarm's evolution, whereas the cerebrate was created to guard Kerrigan while she developed. It's implied that Abathur has been around for a very long time.

Wasn't Abathur PART of the Overmind at first who just decided to turn him into a more... mobile aspect? Then it was Kerrigan who gave Abathur sentience? It actually is terribly confusing how these things work.

What even happened to the cerebrates? I know some went rogue/loyalist-to-Overmind and were likely wiped out for it but the cerebrate of Brood War was Kerrigan's toady - and was incredibly successful/competent? or maybe he/it died at the end of Sons of Liberty? Killed to death so bad he died by that Xel?naga artifact?

 

[DragonStorm247]

Protoss executor is implied to be Artanis, then Selendis in BW.

Well there ya go.

I am wondering most about the Zerg cerebrate though, wondering if anyone else shares my theory.

I've never heard that before. While it does sound interesting, its incredibly unlikely, as Abathur was designed with the specific purpose of guiding the Swarm's evolution, whereas the cerebrate was created to guard Kerrigan while she developed. It's implied that Abathur has been around for a very long time.

Wasn't Abathur PART of the Overmind at first who just decided to turn him into a more... mobile aspect? Then it was Kerrigan who gave Abathur sentience? It actually is terribly confusing how these things work.

What even happened to the cerebrates? I know some went rogue/loyalist-to-Overmind and were likely wiped out for it but the cerebrate of Brood War was Kerrigan's toady - and was incredibly successful/competent? or maybe he/it died at the end of Sons of Liberty? Killed to death so bad he died by that Xel?naga artifact?

Cerebrates weren't designed to survive for very long without an Overmind, since it was the Overmind that directed their will and powered their essence. So its far more likely it just died shortly thereafter due to withering health.

 

[Agent_Dark]

What even happened to the cerebrates? I know some went rogue/loyalist-to-Overmind and were likely wiped out for it but the cerebrate of Brood War was Kerrigan's toady - and was incredibly successful/competent? or maybe he/it died at the end of Sons of Liberty? Killed to death so bad he died by that Xel?naga artifact?

I don't think it's mentioned in the games themselves, but Kerrigan kills all the Cerebrates in order to gain absolute control over the Swarm (Brood War/Post Brood War). At some point prior to Wings of Liberty she realises that having the chain of command effectively begin and end with her is somewhat in-efficient, and creates the Broodmothers to fill the role the Cerebrates used to do.

As for the player Cerebrates, the one you played as for the Zerg campaign in SC1 is killed by Tassadar on Char as Tassadar, Raynor and co. are being hunted by Kerrigan (see the novel "Starcraft: Queen of Blades"). The Player Cerebrate from Brood War is said by Blizzard to have been destroyed by Kerrigan as part of her purges prior to Wings of Liberty.

 

[Abomination]

What even happened to the cerebrates? I know some went rogue/loyalist-to-Overmind and were likely wiped out for it but the cerebrate of Brood War was Kerrigan's toady - and was incredibly successful/competent? or maybe he/it died at the end of Sons of Liberty? Killed to death so bad he died by that Xel?naga artifact?

I don't think it's mentioned in the games themselves, but Kerrigan kills all the Cerebrates in order to gain absolute control over the Swarm (Brood War/Post Brood War). At some point prior to Wings of Liberty she realises that having the chain of command effectively begin and end with her is somewhat in-efficient, and creates the Broodmothers to fill the role the Cerebrates used to do.

As for the player Cerebrates, the one you played as for the Zerg campaign in SC1 is killed by Tassadar on Char as Tassadar, Raynor and co. are being hunted by Kerrigan (see the novel "Starcraft: Queen of Blades"). The Player Cerebrate from Brood War is said by Blizzard to have been destroyed by Kerrigan as part of her purges prior to Wings of Liberty.

Thank you, that clears a lot up. Also displays an important difference as to how Kerrigan conducts herself post-Wings of Liberty.

 

[Eddie the head]

The player was a cerebrate in the first Starcraft, is that cerebrate dead now too?

I believe he went the way of the "Commander" you played in the first game. Non existence.

I like to think the player character from SC1 is Matt actually, it makes sense after all: He's a deliberate and strategic mind that's loyal to Raynor and oversees the battles from the Hyperion.

The cerebrates on the other hand just all seem to have vanished, presumably killed off-screen by Kerrigan early on to consolidate her power.

I always just took it as you just killed yourself. IE the "Commander" from SC1 was killed on Char. The cerebrate in SC1 was killed by the Dark Templar and the protos guy was killed by the new cerebrate in Brood War. Makes it a little easier to explain if you ask me.

I don't know about Starcraft 1, but in Starcaft 2 I'm pretty sure the commander is Jim Raynor.

Yeah, I was talking about SC1. I don't know I just think the player character dying makes more sense.

 

[The_Lost_King]

The player was a cerebrate in the first Starcraft, is that cerebrate dead now too?

I believe he went the way of the "Commander" you played in the first game. Non existence.

I like to think the player character from SC1 is Matt actually, it makes sense after all: He's a deliberate and strategic mind that's loyal to Raynor and oversees the battles from the Hyperion.

The cerebrates on the other hand just all seem to have vanished, presumably killed off-screen by Kerrigan early on to consolidate her power.

I always just took it as you just killed yourself. IE the "Commander" from SC1 was killed on Char. The cerebrate in SC1 was killed by the Dark Templar and the protos guy was killed by the new cerebrate in Brood War. Makes it a little easier to explain if you ask me.

I don't know about Starcraft 1, but in Starcaft 2 I'm pretty sure the commander is Jim Raynor.

Yeah, I was talking about SC1. I don't know I just think the player character dying makes more sense.

Yeah, for some reason I read in SC2 the main character dies on Charr. Obviously I am blind.

 

[unindexedsearchengine]

Well, I haven't finished the campaign, but i'm pretty far in, and at first it was pretty good. Abathur was awesome, izsha is pretty decent. Zagra was slightly uncanny but nothing too weird. Then the English speaking primal zerg raised an eyebrow, and dehaka's ESSENCE ESSENCE !!!!111!!11!! is somewhat annoying but I was still there with it.
However, when Stukov showed up, I flipped shit.

 

[Mick Beard]

English speaking Primal Zerg?

whats saying that the primal zerg and all zerg in the game are speaking english?

they coudl be speaking in Zerg or grunts for all we know, but because Kerrigan is/was the QOB and also has these psychic powers she understand them and comunicates with them and for our benifit its turned into english so we can hear it.

in WOW all the different races speak the same language but Horde and Alliance cannot understand each other.. that makes less sense.

also if you are goin with the whole communitcation with the zerg then you are questioning every single Sci-Fi story in existance. examples in Star trek how do they talk with all the differnt alien races? they all happen to speak the same language?? and Mass effect, the whole universe speaks english? the whole of earth dont even speak english, hell some english speaking people cant speak english