Sick of people indirectly insulting me because I like Transformers 3

[Mikeyfell]

It seems to be the new trend that makes people think they are smarter than the population because they do not like Transformers films.

I am sick of being told I and all my friends are 13 year olds

And what bugs me the most

is that most of these people like a movie such as Watchmen and hold it in high esteem. It's ironic that these people say Transformers Dark of the moon has no plot because Watchmen is 2 hours and 10 minutes of pointless, uninformative backstory for characters we don't care about (Ironically the most interesting character gets less backstory) and 30 minutes worth of actual storyline - a mediocre one at that.

I am still convinced these are the people who grew up with Transformers cartoons.


ps. I am by no means saying these films are perfect.

pps I am also not saying you cannot like this film because that is ridiculous, but aparently it does not work the other way around. Like this film and you are a F student waiting to man the assembly line.

I don't think it's right that people are insulting because you liked Transformers 3.

But if you're too bogged down by pointless backstory for unlikeable characters I think you're better off sticking to the less complicated much shinier movies that are more apt to hold your attention than Watchmen.

Way to prove my point mate.

To all those who claim that "if you dont like watchmen, you are to unintelligable to understand it" that is the most ridiculous, elitist statement ive ever heard. I could write down every meaningful nuance and subtext of a movie until the cows come home. People who do this seem to use it as a way to confirm and reassure to themselves that they are better than everyone else. Just sounds like a bunch of uni/college students who think they know the world better

You know. I was going to add a smiley face =) or "LOL" to the end of my post. But I thought assuming you weren't going to get the joke would be an insult to your intelligence.

Nobody has to like Watchmen, I mean I did but I'm in no rush to see it again.

You saying that the people who like Watchmen are ridiculous elitists is right up there with saying people who like Transformers are stupid. (Understand the ironic satire this time, please)

You know what you have in common with people that think the movies they like are the only good movies? Everything. If you want people to stop making fun of you stop earning it.

 

[josephmatthew10]

It seems to be the new trend that makes people think they are smarter than the population because they do not like Transformers films.

I am sick of being told I and all my friends are 13 year olds

And what bugs me the most

is that most of these people like a movie such as Watchmen and hold it in high esteem. It's ironic that these people say Transformers Dark of the moon has no plot because Watchmen is 2 hours and 10 minutes of pointless, uninformative backstory for characters we don't care about (Ironically the most interesting character gets less backstory) and 30 minutes worth of actual storyline - a mediocre one at that.

I am still convinced these are the people who grew up with Transformers cartoons.


ps. I am by no means saying these films are perfect.

pps I am also not saying you cannot like this film because that is ridiculous, but aparently it does not work the other way around. Like this film and you are a F student waiting to man the assembly line.

you know while I dont' think it's funny that you like transformers I DO think it's funny that other people think it's funny that you like transformers. why? because I play neopets and nobody has EVER made fun of me for it. I'm 19. the best part is even neopets has more compelling stories than watchmen.

More com... pffft, dammit, I'm really REALLY trying hard not to laugh...

glad I could help you get a quick laugh out of this at my expense.
even funnier. I'm DEAD serious. I'm not saying the plot events are good. just that they're better than watchmen. well at least one of them i can think of is.

In other words I'm not complimenting neopets but rather I'm insulting watchmen.

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All I'm saying is that (regardless of the movie's quality) Watchmen as a story is more deep and compelling than any of Transformer's. And many found in Neopets (not to say much of its mythology isn't actually very interesting).

 

[Mr_Universal]

well if you thought giving hate to Watchmen (which indeed has an excellent story) was going to give you less comments on your movie taste...then you are wrong my good sir haha. Though I have not seen Transformers 3.

 

[Qitz]

and yet, you wouldn't be nearly as bothered as you are if you didn't know, at least to some degree, that all the points people brought up didn't have a nugget of truth in it.

Besides that, who care's if someone "indirectly insults" you for liking something. There are a lot of people who would call me a "shut in" or "basement dweller" because I play both MMO's and Games in general. You think I care what they think? Nope. Why? Because they have absolutely ZERO value in my life.

Man up, grow some thicker skin and stop caring what other people think about what YOU like.

 

[inFAMOUSCowZ]

You can like transformers hell I liked the movies too. But you have to recognize they are bad movies. The plot, the writing, the characters, all are bad.

 

[Epicspoon]

It seems to be the new trend that makes people think they are smarter than the population because they do not like Transformers films.

I am sick of being told I and all my friends are 13 year olds

And what bugs me the most

is that most of these people like a movie such as Watchmen and hold it in high esteem. It's ironic that these people say Transformers Dark of the moon has no plot because Watchmen is 2 hours and 10 minutes of pointless, uninformative backstory for characters we don't care about (Ironically the most interesting character gets less backstory) and 30 minutes worth of actual storyline - a mediocre one at that.

I am still convinced these are the people who grew up with Transformers cartoons.


ps. I am by no means saying these films are perfect.

pps I am also not saying you cannot like this film because that is ridiculous, but aparently it does not work the other way around. Like this film and you are a F student waiting to man the assembly line.

you know while I dont' think it's funny that you like transformers I DO think it's funny that other people think it's funny that you like transformers. why? because I play neopets and nobody has EVER made fun of me for it. I'm 19. the best part is even neopets has more compelling stories than watchmen.

More com... pffft, dammit, I'm really REALLY trying hard not to laugh...

glad I could help you get a quick laugh out of this at my expense.
even funnier. I'm DEAD serious. I'm not saying the plot events are good. just that they're better than watchmen. well at least one of them i can think of is.

In other words I'm not complimenting neopets but rather I'm insulting watchmen.

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All I'm saying is that (regardless of the movie's quality) Watchmen as a story is more deep and compelling than any of Transformer's. And many found in Neopets (not to say much of its mythology isn't actually very interesting).

well yes it isn't too great of a mythology in fact most of the plots suck or are at best an amusing way to pass time. there's one in particular however that I did happen to like. I'm not going to go into detail because you probably don't care, and I DID enjoy watchmen but it say's alot about how well story within a movie that is directed at more mature audiences is told when a 19 year old finds a neopets plot comic more entertaining.
if you're going to laugh at me I don't blame you but I will say this, those bronies aren't going anywhere so you're wasting just as much time making fun of me as you are them. At least my hobby was originally directed towards an older audience. If you don't believe me then did you know that the pet species "Bruce" which is a penguin used to just be a picture of bruce forsyth? if you don't know who he is here's a link to his wikipedia article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Forsythe

p.s. thank's for not being immature about this. to be honest I half expected you to start being a jerk.

 

[Xojins]

It seems to be the new trend that makes people think they are smarter than the population because they do not like Transformers films.

I am sick of being told I and all my friends are 13 year olds

And what bugs me the most

is that most of these people like a movie such as Watchmen and hold it in high esteem. It's ironic that these people say Transformers Dark of the moon has no plot because Watchmen is 2 hours and 10 minutes of pointless, uninformative backstory for characters we don't care about (Ironically the most interesting character gets less backstory) and 30 minutes worth of actual storyline - a mediocre one at that.

I am still convinced these are the people who grew up with Transformers cartoons.


ps. I am by no means saying these films are perfect.

pps I am also not saying you cannot like this film because that is ridiculous, but aparently it does not work the other way around. Like this film and you are a F student waiting to man the assembly line.

Well, it's not a good movie. As far as artistic merits for a film go, the Transformers movies are actually pretty awful (the first one was semi-alright).

 

[Twilight.falls]

I do not hate the fans. I don't hate anything, in fact.

I do not like the movie for being immature, stupid, and all around awful.

I say this as someone who has never seen the original Transformers series.

 

[ChaosNova]

I guess I should say something instead of lurking? Seems like a ton of elitism goes on the world of film. I don't particularly like any of the Transformers films, but I wouldn't go as far as to insult anyone for their preference. There is a difference between film as entertainment and film as art, and great films can infuse both. Calling someone "stupid" because they don't care or don't understand the same principles of film you do is the same as calling yourself stupid for not understanding the facets of every industry you're not a part of.

I've been a musician for nearly 15 years now. Can I call any of you that don't know the ins and outs of technical proficiency with an instrument, song structure, and time changes "stupid" just because you enjoy something you hear on the radio, or some overrated trash like the supposed "classics": The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or more recent overrated garbage like Nirvana, Metallica, Nine Inch Nails, etc., simply for those artists not having near the same ability as classical or progressive musicians? My main focus being guitar and piano, I can honestly tell you that any of the artists mentioned, as well as most modern music, can have anything from their catalogue played after a few weeks of beginner lessons. The instrumentation is poor, the song structure is average, and sticking with standard timing except in rare cases of failed experimentation is extremely amateurish, yet many musical artists find a following of fans that believe them to be "good". I think the same can be true of movies.

I can't count the number of times I've heard a movie critic pan a movie for being terrible based on its technical merits: acting, plot, characters, story, etc., then later reveal in an aside their musical likings that contain artists that are technically laughable.

This is by no means an attempt at a comparison between movies and music, but a look at the emphasis placed on technicality. It would be retarded of me to tell someone that they are unintelligent because the music they appreciate has no real merit and doesn't do anything special.

 

[9thRequiem]

I've been a musician for nearly 15 years now. Can I call any of you that don't know the ins and outs of technical proficiency with an instrument, song structure, and time changes "stupid" just because you enjoy something you hear on the radio, or some overrated trash like the supposed "classics": The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, or more recent overrated garbage like Nirvana, Metallica, Nine Inch Nails, etc., simply for those artists not having near the same ability as classical or progressive musicians like myself?

Actually, yes. Yes you can. I mean, you shouldn't call them stupid exactly, but having a poor set of standards to judge a given media : sure.
There's actually plenty of elitism that goes on for music too, it's just a different set of people who are in the know about the full ins-and-outs, and I guess maybe genre makes it wider ranging? (I honestly have no idea, and would like to hear a little about music critiquing)
As for film critics with bad music taste - sure. They're different, and you can't expect someone who's a good judge of one to be well-versed in another. I wouldn't ask a restaurant critic what he thought of a video game, and if one said that they liked Too Human, I wouldn't assume they didn't know anything about pasta.

EDIT : Welcome to the land of posting btw.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Liking something doesn't make it good. When bad films are more valuable than good films, then there's a problem in the system, and those who defend bad films are holding up lower standards to be taken as average. This is not a good thing.

Equally, indirectly insulting people who you say indirectly insult you is not a good thing.

(Philosophically, let's just take "good" as "worthwhile to the ongoing of society" and "bad" as "detrimental to the ongoing of society")

All you've done here is given people more reason not to like you. You could have just sat and enjoyed it in peace.

If you want to understand why Transformers is "bad", consider the facts:
a) Its female cast is a overly "attractive" woman who can't act and sits there with her mouth open.
b) Its male cast run the character arc of "Becoming a Man" every film, and then get the girl purely by completing the arc.
c) The titular chracters are background.
d) The plot does not evolve and is constantly re-written.
e) It contains nonsensical references purely to get anatomical jokes in.
f) It promotes CGI/3D (expense) over skill.

While there is nothing wrong with these films being made, there is something hugely wrong with these films being held up as the epitome of good film-making, because it means that success will be determined by sticking to detrimental tropes rather than innovative or challenging tropes.

Over time, this will reduce all films to adrenaline based light shows. With names reminiscent of older characters. Who will only appear briefly.

Enjoy Transformers? Fine. But it's not a good film.

 

[Casual Shinji]

If you feel indirectly insulted because the Transformers movies are shit then that's the problem of your excessively long toes.

 

[ChaosNova]

I get what you guys are saying, but as someone who is only versed in film having watched critiques of bad movies for the last few years in an effort to understand the differences (and putting aside fanboy subjectiveness in the process), I can't help but watch a breakdown of a movie like Transformers and feel a bit apathetic, as it's akin to me breaking down, say, someone's favorite Metallica album (lets say the Black Album,(since it's considered by many a music critic to be a classic *shudder*) and showing them realistically how simplistic the instrumentation is, how the time signature is virtually 4/4 throughout with no changes thrown in to just change things up or give a different feel/groove to things other than standard rock fare, and how the songs are just verse-chorus repeat with maybe an interlude.

Not only that, but someone not versed in music might not be able to tell two distinct things from one another that are second nature to me. For one specific example, a ton of rock music you hear, the obligatory guitar solo section most likely will just have pentatonic shredding. This is a very simple scale, and simply involves slapping two or three fingers around in one area of the fretboard, maybe moving up or down strings. It's amateurish, but if it fits the song, it can work. On the other hand, you can have talented guitarists perform lightning quick sweeping arpeggios that are hard to pull off even at low speeds due to the dexterity required. A listener not versed in anything to do with music will just hear "a fast guitar". I imagine the same thing happens to guys like me not versed in film, but enough with the music lesson. :/

I mean, they're not going to care that the musicianship isn't high quality, just as a fan of Transformers isn't knowledgeable or doesn't care about the filmmaking in those movies. I might sound elitist myself, but I enjoy some of those "bad artists" even though I can see their flaws and have heard much, much better. I can just "turn off" the musician in my head imagining the fretboard or piano in my head as I listen to a song or an album, and it's strange that many film lovers don't seem to be able to do that.

The part of my post about movie critics was just because they seem to be the most elitist of all critics, sometimes to the point of going after your intelligence if you don't know good filmmaking from bad, which is hysterically ironic when their terrible music choices are revealed to you.

Now, obviously, filmmaking is much more expensive and much more involved with hundreds of people working on a project than any music production, I'd guess, and that's what makes movies like Transformers so bad, IMO.

Still, I urge everyone to not mistake naivety or apathy for stupidity.