Since when did it become unacceptable to expect better from a game?

[sma_warrior]

12 year old religious zealots = people who disagree with you?

I can accept criticism from someone who doesn't seem like they're having a heart attack because I dared to say Game X isn't perfect. Also, it's not too difficult to cordially write a response and be polite and civilized on the matter at hand. Those responses I treat with respect and consider (someone explained nicely an aspect of the story of HL2 which I had overlooked - as such my views on the story are a little bit higher than they originally were, although not all my issues have been alleviated).

 

[vede]

Wait, did I hear someone comparing Half-Life to Deus Ex and System Shock?

Blasphemy!

No!

Deus Ex and the System Shock games are FPS + RPG + EPIC. Half-Life is just FPS + EPIC. If you take out the subjectivity, you end up with FPS + RPG and FPS. Two different genres. Incomparable.

I liked Deus Ex for wildly different reasons than for Half-Life. By saying they're all sci-fi shooters, you're saying nothing beyond the facts that they are first-person shooters and that they have sci-fi elements.

(No, really, this text-box resizing itself thing has gone too far...)

 

[sma_warrior]

Funnily enough I made fun of bad moments in Half Life 2's plot just yesterday, and not one person disagreed or objected. Now why was that?

Because I said the whole story aspect could have been improved (which I still maintain) rather than just a couple of specific instances (which some people also agreed upon in the thread).

 

[sma_warrior]

Wait, did I hear someone comparing Half-Life to Deus Ex and System Shock?

Blasphemy!

No!

Deus Ex and the System Shock games are FPS + RPG + EPIC. Half-Life is just FPS + EPIC. If you take out the subjectivity, you end up with FPS + RPG and FPS. Two different genres. Incomparable.

Actually I was ignoring the whole RPG aspect of the games and going with shooters with a science fiction storyline

 

[sma_warrior]

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And can we please get off my views on HL2 and get back to the original purpose of this thread???

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[Booze Zombie]

Don't ignore things like that! They're very basic things to think about when comparing games.

 

[runtheplacered]

In regards to Half-life 2 being like Deus Ex and System Shock 2...

I'd say you'd be hard pressed to say the games are not the same type of games - Science Fiction FPS games.

I wouldn't be hard pressed in the least. Deus Ex is an action role-playing game, through and through. System Shock 2 is a mixture of FPS goodness and Role-playing. I love both of those games, but I honestly would not put them into the same genre of Half-life 2. They're all science fiction and they do all happen to have the perspective in first person, but that's about where the similarities cease.

Maybe, and I'm only saying maybe that's why you were disappointed with Half-life 2. You were expecting something that wasn't delivered to you.

Honestly, it's O.K. not to like HL2. I seriously doubt that many people care. But at this point, with the creation of this very thread, it's starting to look like you're just trying to poke a stick at the fans. Which would make me wonder what your motivation behind that is.

Of course, calling people who defend the game 12 year old zealots doesn't really make this thread look like it's meant to be productive in the first place.

 

[Good morning blues]

Guys, I totally understand that opinions regarding the quality of games are subjective - I mean, everybody seems to love this game except me, and I understand that everybody's opinion is different. That said, why were people disagreeing with my when I posted my subjective opinion?

 

[runtheplacered]

Guys, I totally understand that opinions regarding the quality of games are subjective - I mean, everybody seems to love this game except me, and I understand that everybody's opinion is different. That said, why were people disagreeing with my when I posted my subjective opinion?

This post has me confused. When did this happen? Why can't people disagree with opinions? If we all agreed with each other this forum would be a pretty stale place.

 

[cuddly_tomato]

A lot of people feel they need to justify buying a game and investing time into it. Because of this, there are often delirious arguments and plain old bullshit, especially from the younger players.

Pretty much.

The phenomena of the fanboy, desperately in denial, is something that will probably have a fancy medical term one day.

 

[curlycrouton]

The reason you were harshly criticised is that you made some judgements and hold some opinions which are against the common opinion. While I don't agree with you on Half Life 2 and your problems with it, I am willing to accept your opinion and treat it with dignity and respect, as I, and everyone else, should do more often.

 

[SamLowry]

I guess what you say is true:
Read post #124: http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=2010#comment-112039

 

[CmdrGoob]

You sound so much like a troll.

I mean let's go through this.

1) Post using only extremely vague or nitpicky complaints to make extreme and hyperbolic conclusions such as a "tedious and boring affair" about a widely respected game. The best-worst one was "The less said about the vehicle sections the better". Hahahah, that's perfect trolling. I mean, it's a huge slam that could be applied to anything and is impossible to refute because you didn't actually say anything. The less said about Halo's plot the better. The less said about CoD4s level design the better. The less said about your criticisms the better. It's great; works on anything!

2) Post about how everyone who criticised you for making vague and nitpicky criticisms to 'justify' extremely hyperbolic conclusions like "If anything, it's a very nice tech demo, but that's about all that can be said for it" is just a fanboy. That's even better trolling.

 

[Fraught]

Since you nitpicked about a game just because its popular.

x2

If you found Half-Life 2 to be a GOOD game, then why start a POINTLESS argument on the fact the game was overrated, didn't meet your expectations etc?
It basically looked you didn't like the game solely because it was hyped a lot.

The game was good, and how were the people who didn't agree with you "12-year-old religious zealots".
I mean, what does liking a game have to do with religion?
Think something through, before you type.

 

[sma_warrior]

You sound so much like a troll.

I mean let's go through this.

1) Post using only extremely vague or nitpicky complaints to make extreme and hyperbolic conclusions such as a "tedious and boring affair" about a widely respected game. The best-worst one was "The less said about the vehicle sections the better". Hahahah, that's perfect trolling. I mean, it's a huge slam that could be applied to anything and is impossible to refute because you didn't actually say anything. The less said about Halo's plot the better. The less said about CoD4s level design the better. The less said about your criticisms the better. It's great; works on anything!

2) Post about how everyone who criticised you for making vague and nitpicky criticisms to 'justify' extremely hyperbolic conclusions like "If anything, it's a very nice tech demo, but that's about all that can be said for it" is just a fanboy. That's even better trolling.

So then why do you keep trying to turn this into a debate on Half Life 2 (including the post where I even asked we get off the topic of HL2 halfway through the thread) rather than the topic it was intended at? Yes, I'm the real fanboy here.... (oh, and I DID explain what was wrong with the vehicle levels - read the post fully)

 

[Fraught]

You sound so much like a troll.

I mean let's go through this.

1) Post using only extremely vague or nitpicky complaints to make extreme and hyperbolic conclusions such as a "tedious and boring affair" about a widely respected game. The best-worst one was "The less said about the vehicle sections the better". Hahahah, that's perfect trolling. I mean, it's a huge slam that could be applied to anything and is impossible to refute because you didn't actually say anything. The less said about Halo's plot the better. The less said about CoD4s level design the better. The less said about your criticisms the better. It's great; works on anything!

2) Post about how everyone who criticised you for making vague and nitpicky criticisms to 'justify' extremely hyperbolic conclusions like "If anything, it's a very nice tech demo, but that's about all that can be said for it" is just a fanboy. That's even better trolling.

So then why do you keep trying to turn this into a debate on Half Life 2 (including the post where I even asked we get off the topic of HL2 halfway through the thread) rather than the topic it was intended at? Yes, I'm the real fanboy here.... (oh, and I DID explain what was wrong with the vehicle levels - read the post fully)

Like runtheplacered said here, and I in another thread, "what would we do here, if not argue?"

I mean, seriously, think about it.
What else do we do here then?
"Half-Life 2 sucks because, well, it just sucks and I find it generic. End of story."
"Hmm, I don't agree, but that's a subjective opinion."

That would just be lame, and I can't understand how you people just can't understand that arguing is what forums are for. God.

 

[sma_warrior]

I'm out of here for the night, anybody who wants to blast me for not thinking HL2 is a masterpiece, good luck with that, I have a life that doesn't revolve around being nasty online because someone disagrees with my opinion. Anyone who wishes to continue to discuss the real topic at hand in this thread in a civilized, friendly, and adult manner I'll be more than happy to reply when I next get back here.

Although, for what it's worth, I think this thread has run its course (anonymity and internet = flaming for the sake of it).

 

[CmdrGoob]

You sound so much like a troll.

I mean let's go through this.

1) Post using only extremely vague or nitpicky complaints to make extreme and hyperbolic conclusions such as a "tedious and boring affair" about a widely respected game. The best-worst one was "The less said about the vehicle sections the better". Hahahah, that's perfect trolling. I mean, it's a huge slam that could be applied to anything and is impossible to refute because you didn't actually say anything. The less said about Halo's plot the better. The less said about CoD4s level design the better. The less said about your criticisms the better. It's great; works on anything!

2) Post about how everyone who criticised you for making vague and nitpicky criticisms to 'justify' extremely hyperbolic conclusions like "If anything, it's a very nice tech demo, but that's about all that can be said for it" is just a fanboy. That's even better trolling.

So then why do you keep trying to turn this into a debate on Half Life 2 (including the post where I even asked we get off the topic of HL2 halfway through the thread) rather than the topic it was intended at? Yes, I'm the real fanboy here.... (oh, and I DID explain what was wrong with the vehicle levels - read the post fully)

Oh, this has everything to do with your views on HL2, because it has everything to do with your current modus operandi, which is trolling. You've extremely critical judgments based on very tenuous assertions and then start another thread where you construct a strawman that everyone who reacted critically to your thin reasoning is a fanboy or "12 year old religious zealot".

Let's just go back to your and summarise your extremely harsh conclusions: "If you ask me those are some very glaring issues that have made playing through a tedious and boring affair [..] If anything, it's a very nice tech demo, but that's about all that can be said for it."

And yet you had to scrape the bottom of the barrel so hard to come up with any criticisms at all that one of them is that the gravity gun doesn't work through windows. Lame.

If you're going to make extreme conclusions from such laughably tenuous criticisms, then don't be suprised when people treat you with derision; this has nothing to do with them being "12 year old religious zealots" (oh, you're so full of respect, aren't you?) and everything to do with you acting like a troll.


Edit: And it now appears you're moving on to troll MO stage 3. Awww, now poor set upon you will play the matyr about how nasty everyone is because the shitstorm you deliberately stirred up by being inflammatory (extreme and hyperbolic conclusions based on very little, calling people "12 year old religious zealots") has gotten you criticised. Classic, classic trolling.

 

[The Wooster]

I'm out of here for the night, anybody who wants to blast me for not thinking HL2 is a masterpiece, good luck with that, I have a life that doesn't revolve around being nasty online because someone disagrees with my opinion. Anyone who wishes to continue to discuss the real topic at hand in this thread in a civilized, friendly, and adult manner I'll be more than happy to reply when I next get back here.

Although, for what it's worth, I think this thread has run its course (anonymity and internet = flaming for the sake of it).

Has it ever occured to you that maybe it's you who's being confrontational rather than everyone else? You're assuming everyone who disagrees with you is going to be some kind of mouth breathing troll. In fact a lot of your posts seem to reflect that. Just look at the end of the post I quoted. You're throwing baseless accusations around the place then whining when they become self fufilling.

This is the internet equivilent of walking into a room full of random people and shouting "why are you all arseholes?". If they weren't going to be arseholes before hand they certainly are now.

 

[mark_n_b]

Well, not having read your original post, and working on the assumption you were not being a royal ass saying how much half life 2 sucked, or what a rip off it was, etc. etc.

It is hard to critically analyze a popular game because people feel the desire to defend it, because they enjoyed it.

How do you say "I did not enjoy this popular feature"? Without begging responders to explain why it is a popular or good feature. Now if you take on a tone of annoyance with your purchase (which is stupidly inexpensive on Steam) or leave people with the impression that you are just criticizing something because it is popular (which happens a whole hell of a lot) it is an invitation to getting burned.