"Single player games are still valid" <-WTF!?

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shemoanscazrex3

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To counter the OP's post is that developers now we believe the only friends we have are online. So many games that I've wanted to buy mainly because of me but also because hey when my friends come over we will have something to play, are not local multiplayer. Its so annoying because outside of one game I don't really play online I prefer playing with my friends and for some reason developers or publishers think no one interacts with each other in person just purely online. Then when they do local multiplayer you have to buy dlc, hello burnout paradise or its some taking turns crap, hello skate 2.
 

Vault101

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Twilight_guy said:
Doing anything too much is unhealthy. That's obvious. It's especially a problem with games though since people have become addicted to them
funny considering MMO's and other online gameplay types (like ME3 "unlock'em ALL!") apear to be the most "addictive"

[quote/] as if any other obsession, separated from the world from the world. Aside from that extreme case, Playing games alone exclusively means that a person is alone for longer and has less time to interact with others.[/quote]
playing games...watching TV, reading, browsing the internet there are tons of "unhealthy" and "unsocial" activities that alot of people do..hell even facebook

[quote/]In excess, that can be a bad thing even if it doesn't reach an unhealthy level. Being a hermit doesn't make you a bad person but it does limit your life p[potential and solitary activities in excess become being a hermit. That's my point is that,[b/] bashing any multiplayer and praising exclusively single player is a step below saying human interaction is bad. There has to be a grey area.[/b][/quote]
hahaha what?

are you honestly trying to tell me playing with wane_ker69 is some kind of "healthy" social interaction?..hell depending on circumstance I wouldn't even class it as social interaction...its more like having an AI around that is programmed to be a twat

I play single player games [b/]because i prefer them[/b] because they are [b/]fundamentally different[/b] to multiplayer games, and no its NOT because I don't have any freinds before you jump on that . Its because I prefer them that way, I'm not bashing multiplayer I can understand its appeal but its not for me...what I am raging over is some peoples idea that online=better which is ridiculous

and did it occur to you some people may not have freind who play games? or play the same kind of games?

StriderShinryu said:
They basically say that they will not publilsh games without some sort of online connectivity.
Note that I'm not saying that there are no examples of multiplayer modes being shoe horned into places where they don't really belong. I'm also not saying that EA isn't behind some examples of that.
I think Ive heard that before...which makes sense

like that online crap in Sleeping Dgos..easyly ignored though XD
 

Twilight_guy

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Vault101 said:
Twilight_guy said:
Doing anything too much is unhealthy. That's obvious. It's especially a problem with games though since people have become addicted to them
funny considering MMO's and other online gameplay types (like ME3 "unlock'em ALL!") apear to be the most "addictive"

[quote/] as if any other obsession, separated from the world from the world. Aside from that extreme case, Playing games alone exclusively means that a person is alone for longer and has less time to interact with others.
playing games...watching TV, reading, browsing the internet there are tons of "unhealthy" and "unsocial" activities that alot of people do..hell even facebook

[quote/]In excess, that can be a bad thing even if it doesn't reach an unhealthy level. Being a hermit doesn't make you a bad person but it does limit your life p[potential and solitary activities in excess become being a hermit. That's my point is that,[b/] bashing any multiplayer and praising exclusively single player is a step below saying human interaction is bad. There has to be a grey area.[/b][/quote]
hahaha what?

are you honestly trying to tell me playing with wane_ker69 is some kind of "healthy" social interaction?..hell depending on circumstance I wouldn't even class it as social interaction...its more like having an AI around that is programmed to be a twat

I play single player games [b/]because i prefer them[/b] because they are [b/]fundamentally different[/b] to multiplayer games, and no its NOT because I don't have any freinds before you jump on that . Its because I prefer them that way, I'm not bashing multiplayer I can understand its appeal but its not for me...what I am raging over is some peoples idea that online=better which is ridiculous

and did it occur to you some people may not have freind who play games? or play the same kind of games?
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Okay, stop right there. I will not be involved in another hissy fit argument because someone pissed me off and they got pissed off and then the whole thing explodes.

I poorly worded my reply since your OP stink of single minded zeal and that pushes my buttons. Let me reiterate now that I am calm.

Firstly, the important point was "I'm mad because people don't understand the implications of 'everything is multiplayer'. We're moving into an age where even your toilet is hooked up to twitter (whoo joke stealing!) and connectivity is become ubiquitous. That's what 'everything is multipalyer' means. It doesn't mean the big mean corporation is going to take out your single player campaign, it means your Facebook is going to be full of posts saying that you beat level 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, and so on."

People need to stop sounding the death-con alarm over the idea of multiplayer. People think that a comapny is saying X, and it's not. There are many thing that 'multiplayer' means beside deathmatchs and cutting out single player content. There are too many people screaming like chickens with their heads cut off because a company is going to hook your game up to Twitter and call it multipalyer since people multiple people can see your progress. The basic concept of parts of the game are changing and that means that multipalyer doesn't mean what it did and I'm tired of people all assuming it means something it may not. It's like people asking "how will a horseless carriage move, they're trying to take our horse and our livelihood!"

Secondly, the kind of single minded devotion to kicking your heals at the idea that twitter will access your game is a problem. We live in an increasingly connected world. We live in a world where cell phones and plentiful and cheap and people instant message each other while waling down a sidewalk. Whether or not you approve or sue this access to technology, its undeniable that humans and society are becoming more connected. The problem is when you resist this whole idea and try to work for a less connected world, or a world where only the things you want happen. People need to live in the real world and the real world is full of cheap disposable interactions. Games are going to reflect that. Companies are going to try and work with that. Society will change to try and deal with the changing world. The loss of the idea of a truly isolated and single player game will be part of the future, as was the decease in the popularity of the arcade with the rise of home gaming and as was the loss of the proto-arcade and its mechanical games. Things change and sticking your head in the sand is not the answer.
People may not even see it yet, but they are set in there idea of what constitutes single player or multiplayer or any number of things in a game. They predict doom and gloom when someone says something will change and they misinterpret. People need to be open minded and that means accepting that maybe the twitters and the bookfaces are going to change the world and games. Maybe they won't maybe publishers are just blowing smoke up our asses but I don't move to fear as soon as hear something is changing, I reason about it and try to see what it means and there are too many people who haven't put two seconds into even trying to explore what this could mean.
This whole topic stinks of hearing something, immediately going to fear and then immediately going to anger.

And now I'm angry again. That means I probably said something stupid. I gotta learn to be a Vulcan one day.
 

Vault101

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Twilight_guy said:
I poorly worded my reply since your OP stink of single minded zeal and that pushes my buttons.
[i/]I worded my post poorley AND ITS YOUR FAULT!!![/i] I kid..I kid..seriously

[quote/]Firstly, the important point was "I'm mad because people don't understand the implications of 'everything is multiplayer'. We're moving into an age where even your toilet is hooked up to twitter (whoo joke stealing!) and connectivity is become ubiquitous. That's what 'everything is multipalyer' means. It doesn't mean the big mean corporation is going to take out your single player campaign, it means your Facebook is going to be full of posts saying that you beat level 1-1, 1-2, 1-3, and so on."
.[/quote]
thats not what I'm talking about...

I could argue that stuff like that is just a needless distraction from..you know,the actual game, I mean why would anyone care that I got achievement x in mass effect 5 or whatever?....but anyway, stuff like that is there but ignorable

what I'm talking about is messing with the game itself , another reason they like online stuff is because they can introduce micro transactions and online passes, sadly ME3 probably made alot of money from people compulsivly buying equipment packs

just look at the thing with Diablo 3, aside from the always online thing (a different but related issue) they pretty much said "its not meant to be played on your own", I'm not familiar with Daiblo 3 so I donbt know what playing by oneself was like....but if it was anything like Borderlands 2 than playing it on your own is a perfectly valid and enjoyable way to play

my point is that the Idea that multiplayer is a thing every game must have feels very real (spec ops, the new tomb raider aparently,)and is somthing which I find absolutely rediculous

and maby they think they can fool us by adding in "co-op" as a "please everyone" solution....but when done badly its even worse than tacked on multiplayer because you have that bullshit in the single player...like Fear 3 or that god-awful call of juraz game

now granted single player games seem ok now, even ones with co-op such as saints row 2/3 and (surprisingly) Borderlands 2 and I'm even somwhat optimistic about Dead Space 3

its just I'm generally wary of these things, and thats why I really like it when I see a game that has single player and singel player only, because then I know THAT is what they are selling me
 

darlarosa

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Vault101 said:
darlarosa said:
I think this is a fad. What happens is people are mistaking multiplayer for longevity.
thats the hilarious part.....if anything multiplayer kills longevity
There's only so much you can play a game with your friends or other people. That and the assumption becomes that multiplayer is always good and useful for a game because people will keep playing it with multiplayer.
 

Sir Pootis

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I'd like to point out that online play actually reduces the value of a game over time, as a large amount of resources are pooled into it opposed to a strong single player mode, due to the playerbase dwindling overtime, and the elitists who stay on board become hostile to any new blood that approaches, making a large part of the game lost. And if the servers are shut down completely (eg. Metal Gear Online) then you've permanently lost a fraction of your game.
 

Mordekaien

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I prefer me some single player too. I disapprove of this new trend that you need to have friends in your game, otherwise you're just a creep, locked in your basement without any social interaction.

I go to forums for social interaction. Hell, I write three blogs for social interaction. I occasionally play some MMOs, but I definitely prefer SP games over multiplayer.
It's not that I don't want to socialize, it's just I don't want to have to deal with people being jackasses in my game.