Yes, but it isn't the grand endeavor Toss Howard makes it out to be, We can't exactly marvel at our epic villainy whilst chopping wood. lol.SajuukKhar said:
Skyrim=Boring?
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This. I also see Skyrim's narrative as above average in game writing. This puts it in "good, not great" catagory. The explanation of the Blades were way more interesting than they have ever been in any iteration of TES. The Greybeard parts were actually interesting and didn't draw on as much cliche as I was expecting - some parts were even surprising. The political side of the game was weak in the sense that you have to dig into the lore for any real depth; which is more logical than explaining all of it through dialogue considering most people would know this stuff and not have a need to explain it. For example, Skyrim had to harbor the Imperials when the elves overran the Imperial City - thus felt they no longer needed the "protection" of the Imperial Army who they see as no better than mafia racketeering for "protection". The premise of the conflict is actually really well thought out. It misses here and there on presentation but honestly, it isn't as bad as it has been in the past for the series.Rooster Cogburn said:
In the example you provided would you have been appeased if you were allowed to kill that Jarl only to have another Imperial favoring Jarl to be put in his place?Torah Dreidelberg said:
No other games except Obsidians FO:NV could even really be compared because of the scale of the game. Even NV mostly centered around 1 spot in particular on the map allowing for the story to be more concentrated in one area. TES aims to have the adventure follow you around your travels than to bait your travels with a string of quests. There is a quest line that is the main story but one thing I love about Skyrim over previous Bethesda games is they finally threw out the "urgency" to the next quest in line. The game very rarely implies you should head to the next story quest "on the double". This is something Bethesda style games should emphasize more often. It is hard to play free roam when the game is pointing somewhere saying "time is of the essense" and then the fanbase says "just ignore it to get the full experience". That is bad design, but Skyrim did it right. I would say roughly half of the quests of the main story have any urgency to them. Meaning you could stray often from the main quest.
I really want to do whatever I want. I don't care if it ruins whatever quests would have been given to me.Savagezion said:
Read these two bookswoodaba said:
http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Five_Songs_of_King_Wulfharth
http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Arcturian_Heresy
http://www.imperial-library.info/content/forum-archives-michael-kirkbride
Lorkhan and his avatars:
1. Wulfharth L
2. Hjalti O
3. Ysmir R
4. Talos K
5. Arctus H
6. Septim A
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Talos was formed with Ysmir Wulfharth, Zurin Arctus and Tiber Septim merged in a process called mantling, the same process that turned the Champion of Cyrodil, whatever race he or she may have been, into Sheogroath as we see him in Skyrim.
The reason why they mantled was because they mimicked the divine act that created the mortal realm, similar to how the CoC did the same actions that made the old Sheogorath and thus turned into him.
More specifically they played the roles of the general, the rebel, and the observer
The General/Akatosh/Tiber
The Rebel/Lorkhan/Ysmir
The Observer/Magnus/Arctus
In the Skyrim civil war we have two generals, Tullius, and Ulfirc, two people who are seen as rebels Ulfric against the empire, and Tullius/the Empire against the old Nord beliefs, and the Observer the dovahkiin.
At the end of the civil war no matter which side you pick a general kills a rebel while the dovahkiin looks on.
Mimicking how Akatosh had Lorkahn killed when Magnus looked on from Atherius at the creation of the mortal realm, and how Tiber killed Ysmir while Arctus looked on at the founding of the third empire.
It is a direct mimicry of the events that led to the founding of the mortal realm, the founding of the third empire, and the rise of Talos.
Similarly, just as the Champion of Cyrodil in making a staff of madness and sitting on the throne of madness turned him/her into Sheogorath, just as it turned Aurdel-Sul into the previous Sheogorath, Tullius, Ulfirc, and the Doavhkiin's repeating of the same acts that caused the formation of Talos will turn them into Talos 2.0.
The entirety of the ES universe is a constant repeating of mythic acts, and when said acts repeat there are crazy consequences for them.
Tullius, Ulfirc, and the dovahkiin are bound to become the next Talos, who is the old Talos, who is Lorkhan, who is akatosh, who is Sithis, who is Anuel, who is Anu, who is Padomey
I loved Skyrim. Still love Skyrim.
Magic works perfectly well (Have a level 52 mage..Lightning storm is an awesome ray of death) I have enjoyed the quest, love the sheer scope and beauty of the world and rountinely play for 1 hour/night while I am on the treadmill.
I find the game doesn't always link the stories of the various towns together well...like I felt they could have done way more with Falkreath...And lock picking pissed me off. With a skill of 100, master locks should be pretty easy. Even without the perks (which at Master hardly made a difference anyway)
Still love the game/music/setting
Magic works perfectly well (Have a level 52 mage..Lightning storm is an awesome ray of death) I have enjoyed the quest, love the sheer scope and beauty of the world and rountinely play for 1 hour/night while I am on the treadmill.
I find the game doesn't always link the stories of the various towns together well...like I felt they could have done way more with Falkreath...And lock picking pissed me off. With a skill of 100, master locks should be pretty easy. Even without the perks (which at Master hardly made a difference anyway)
Still love the game/music/setting
I think the attitude that Skyrim wasn't as good as Oblivion is hilarious. 6 months ago I was saying the same thing but people were hearing none of it. It's nice to see that people finally came around to see just how shallow Skyrim really is. Yeah, it's got dragons but it has no attributes, very little color and no soul.
If anything one of the things I have seen the most praise for WAS the removal of attributes.Crono1973 said:
the entire attribute system in Oblivion and Morrowind sucked.
The thing that completely ruins skyrim for me is the very very shallow combat system. Especially for non stealth melee. Walk up, click till something dies, rinse, repeat. Magic isn't much better. Shoot with 1 spell till something is dead, rinse, repeat.
The rest could be tolerated if the combat wasn't so crappy. Even the dragon fights that people say are "a blast". Not that interesting.
The rest could be tolerated if the combat wasn't so crappy. Even the dragon fights that people say are "a blast". Not that interesting.
It got boring fast. I made dozens of characters trying to keep it fresh, but at the end of the day, I just couldn't stay interested. Nothing was challenging, the stories weren't that interesting, and none of my actions had real effect. Oh sure, I'm a thane of all the cities, but that guy in whiterun still acts snobbish to me. Sure, I'm richer than anyone else in the land, but apparently I can't build a castle and hire an army. Sure, I'm Argonian, and everyone talks about how the Argonians can't go in some cities without being attacked, but I can walk right up to the Jarl and strike up a chat!
Yeah, who wants RPG stuff in an RPG? [/sarcasm]Anthraxus said:
See, those of us who played Morrowind and Oblivion for the RPG aspects don't much care for Skyrim being more action adventure than RPG. You're right though, Bethesda obviously wasn't interested in making Skyrim an RPG. Todd didn't want to mess with classes and attributes and RPG things.
RPGs are not about how many numbers you have, but then again your close-minded P&P purist ideals have already been shown time and time again.Anthraxus said:
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Also what would you have them do with the combat? I hear people contatnly ***** about the combat yet no one provides any actuall improvements to it.
Hell, its not even that. I straight up completed every single assassination for the Dark Brotherhood like I was a member of the Third Street Saints and after spending a day in jail, I get released and nobody remember what I did to that poor women's corpse just yesterday. Seriously, I shot her in the vagina with a arrow in front of three guards and got away with only a bounty, but then when I come back tomorrow with the bounty gone no one remember how horribly dismembered I left people of the community.SajuukKhar said:
They will treat me the same despite being the head of every guild as if I was a lonesome peasant. If I'm in Daedric Armor or Drags they will react the same way they would to the inn keeper.
Except for the thirty or so un-killiable NPCs.thiosk said:
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I couldn't play it past a ten hour mark before I got sick and tired of the world only being shades of white and brown. Combat was mighty boring, and is bad as Minecraft combat. The world didn't give a fuck about my past actions, and overall was just a giant god damn bore. Game was too easy and you could beat everything if you just grinded enough. Leveling was broken. Outfits looked rather boring. Magic was just a over-done bow. Duelweilding was pointless since you could kill everything easier with just shield bash + Sword Slash. Music was terrible and repetitive garbage. Lore plot-holes with the main character vs NPCs. OH LOOK AT ME, I'M A KHAJIIT IN A CITY, WHY DON'T YOU COME IN HERE, because they aren't smart enough to know that you can just walk right past all the guards. Loading screens filled up way to much time.
Same thing I said before, Skyrim is a god-damn over-hyped piece of shit that ranks up there with Madden of Battlefield Duty in Space 97.
in what way?girzwald said:
all you did in daggerfall was walk up to an enemy and hit the attack button until it dies also.
If they copy dark/demon souls I dont think I would want to play it, Skyrim's combat may not be great but dark/demonsouls combat is...... unsightly and broken.Anthraxus said:
Also condemned wasn't that good either. I remember hitting people with metal pipes and then them just dieing and falling over.