Skyrim Child Killing Mod

[Dragonforce525]

Yeah I never understood the whole "kid killing in games dilemma" I can see why some people want it, absolute freedom yadda yadda, but I wouldn't kill children in games even if I could, just seems kinda evil.

 

[Batou667]

Why can't people get their heads around the idea that just because I support children being killable, doesn't mean I want to kill children?

Patching Skyrim to make children killable won't change the entire game from innocent fantasy romp to some sick and degenerate infanticide simulator - it just removes a fairly arbitrary and unrealistic limitation from the game and brings the child NPCs in line with every other NPC in the game.

Mentioning realism in a game with magic and dragons? Fine, you bloody pedants, I meant "this change will make the game function better as a coherent and consistent simulation of a fantasy setting and the contexts laid down within".

I'm not surprised by the fact that Bethesda made the children immortal, nor by the fact that the media is gleefully latching onto this non-story as yet more proof that all gamers are sociopaths who sit in darkened rooms playing rape and murder simulators. I suppose child-killing is the last real taboo out there, and it'll be a while before mainstream games can include it in a non-sensationalist manner and get away with it.

 

[Richfeet]

But, Dovakiin must protect the children. they are the future of Skyrim after all.

 

[kuolonen]

People, I'd just like you to know, youre an endless source of amusement. Bless you all.

OT:This is age racism I tell you! People have no proplem killing my people (anyone over the age of 16) in the game, but killing kids is a no-no? My people(of age), we need to rise up!
I have dream. I dream of a time where I can kill any person, in-game, without any regard to their age. Is the blood not always red, be it from an adult or an infant? Let the child killing freedom ring!
Free at last! Free at last!

Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!

 

[derelict]

Love it. Absolutely love it.

Those little ****-stains need to be taken care of. It's getting soooooo annoying having to hear "Another adventurer coming to lick my fathers boots. Good job."

Dammit, if only this worked for the Xbox360. It's sad that Bethesda won't put the patch out to do that, but dangit if it wouldn't be one of the best features about Skyrim.

Just sneak shot them in the head with an arrow, pop an invis potion till the commotion dies down, and pretend he's being a jerk because he has injury induced Tourette's. They don't need to be dead to be the ass of a joke.

 

[Fluffis]

Is it any worse than framing someone for a crime? To take away everything they had and ruin their life?
Is it any worse than killing the last daughter of a dying family? After the other daughter died HORRIBLY not too long ago? And their sacred family heirloom stolen at the same time?
Is it any worse than killing an emaciated mentally handicapped orphan beggar who lost EVERYTHING? Living in the burned down house of his parents, and after his sister died not too long ago?
Is it any worse than killing an honest businessman by poisoning his entire meadery stock? So a rich woman can get a few extra septims in a market she already has a monopoly on?
Is it any worse than beating an old man with a mace until he gives his soul to a deadra lord so you would stop? Damning him to torture for eternity?
Is it any worse than turning a man into the Thalmor, who will torture and kill him because he worships Talos? To sign someone's death warrant because of his beliefs, when he did nothing wrong?

Look at these quests. How are these better than a child dying? How is being Tamriel's version of a nazi better? People call these quests fun, yet I hear no uproar.

Kids allow me to use this to illustrate inconsistent thinking (for lack of a better word).

"I want to play a game where I can murder adults whenever I want"-Not a single fuck is given.
"I want to play a game where I can murder kids whenever I want" -"You have a disturbed mind" (as implied with the post above)

Edit: To be fair I don't care about killing virtual adults but the idea of killing kids is pretty unsettling to me.

So yeah, I'm not above Fluffis here, not too much.

So... Point to where I said those things you two attributed to me?

What you guys are doing is using the extremely flawed argument that something is not bad because there are other bad things. Those other things are not the point of this thread; killing children is. Those other things are an integrated part of the game, and the way the game functions. The possibility to kill children is something that was never intended in the game. It is being added after the fact, by people who think that it should be possible to kill children in a computer game. And you don't find this to be odd in any way?

Addendum: Neither of you is "above" me. Even writing something like that is proof enough of it.

Adding my original post for your convenience:

This concept is so messed up I'm not gonna bother with it, except to say this:

Why do you feel the need for children to die in a computer game?

Don't just shrug that question off. Think about it. I mean REALLY think about it.

Is it NECESSARY to be able to kill children?
Or are you going to do it "for fun"? (In that case, you may need to think long and hard about what you call fun.)

 

[The Lunatic]

Quick everyone, let's be perfectly fine with murdering an entire city but, completely up in arms about killing somebody of a certain age.

Is there honestly any argument against killing a kid that couldn't also be applied to killing an adult in a game?

 

[Unesh52]

To respond to several prevailing ideas at once:

Spoiler: Kids are annoying and cause trouble for the player character, therefore we should be able to kill them.

I'm not going to object to the first part of the argument, because it's true for a lot of people. A lot of kids taunt you and such, and were they to act in a similar way as adults, many players would probably decapitate them for their insolence on the spot. (I am a little alarmed at how willing people are to justify their lust for child murder in terms of how much they feel the children deserve to die, but that's just unsettling, not really an objection.) But why does no one talk about the sweet children? Like that little boy who gets picked on by Braid (Baird?) in Whiterun? Half of them talk about their dreams of inheriting the family business when they grow up, and how fun it is to work in the forge or whatever. They don't all kick your shins and run away.

It is certainly a problem that a child can serve as an immortal witness to your crimes, however. That's a good reason to want to kill kids and a good reason to allow it. Otherwise it creates a weird situation where the player character is a necromantic, daedric worshiping thief trying to assassinate a local shop owner, and he can't because the kid is nearby. There's no plausible character reason he wouldn't just kill them both so there are no witnesses, so the fact that the game won't allow it forces him to break character.

Spoiler: Killing children in game is disgusting and immoral.

This is the simplest objection to child killing to reject. This is a game that allows thievery, desecration of corpses, animal cruelty, and of course murder of almost any other variety. How the ability to kill children going to make this game offensive in a way that all this other stuff does not? I can literally grab a mace, walk down to the market, and decapitate an old lady right there. She was certainly as innocent and harmless and pointless to murder as any child, yet the ability to kill her does not weigh heavy on the conscience of the developers. It's strangely selective reasoning and I don't buy it.

Spoiler: Bethesda wants to avoid bad press by not allowing child killing.

The explanation for this is that Bethesda could be accused of creating a "child killing simulator." By the exact same logic, Bethesda can already be accused of creating an old lady killing simulator. Has it not been because people simply don't care about the elderly? Now, I know that people are capable of getting worked up over nonsense, but that's what we're for. We provide the good press and the responses to the bad press that allow thoughtful, reasonable games to be made. The capacity of pundits and talking heads to get angry about silly things they don't like didn't prevent them from including same sex marriage in game - why should this be any different?

Yay organization!

Spoiler

 

[Techno Squidgy]

I approve of this mod. Some of the player's motives, certainly not. If a dragon is going to come down from the sky and ruin fucking everything, I want it to ruin fucking everything. If the parents are smouldering corpses then the kids should be smouldering corpses. unless of course they were in a cellar or something...

 

[Qitz]

Now what would be hilarious is if that mod let you loot kid sized cloths so your guys running around in size 6 pants and shirts.

 

[Zarmi]

Glorious! Kids are annoying no matter how you put it anyway.

 

[mirasiel]

That is a far cry from my tabletop games. I was banned from ALL flying machines because the dungeon master feared I would pull a 9/11 on the nearest government castle. I also tried to steal corpses to start a cyborg zombie army regardless of what the body was.

The tabletop was a game written by a friend, it was in beta and allowed anything you could imagine. So what did i make? Chickenwing, the tech specialist who tries to make a cyborg zombie army. He also had a flaw that made ALL contraception fail 100%. That was an actual perk/flaw in the rulebook.

What can I say? I am a horrible person. Your party would have walked out in moral objection when I play. The party I was with was just as bad. The party's female kicked me in the nuts then mugged me in the first five minutes of the actual game.

Hehe, currently the party has 1 x experimental airship (think Battlestar galactica but made from magic wood/metal), 1 x gunship/dropship, 4 x fighters + slowly accruing crew for them and there current allies are a nationless special forces regiment.

My players are getting super-paranoid about WTF all this heavy firepower is for, a few of them have recognised images I used for enemies they only glimpsed so far (Tau from warhammer and goauld from stargate) .

Campaign = Eberron/X-com/Stargate crossover madness

Oh and they are only just hit level 5!

/edit oh and at least one of the players has realised that the setting features powered armor since they ran into um...well a very angry redheaded female in a big red robot...I still need to make the house rules for that shit though...

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

i think this is perfectly played, if bethesda allowed it in their games, you know for a fact that stupid Politically correct nazi's would have a field day with it at fox news and such, however it was an easy fix for some modders and bethesda took the high road on it with that bitchy twitter post.


i see nothing wrong on either side with this..

 

[kyogen]

I'm fine with Bethesda drawing a line with its internal development and letting modders do whatever they want. I suspect most people think the same, including the modders. Is this really an issue?

I'd say so; not everyone is playing it on PC. I'm sure that there are plenty of console players who are very annoyed by the fact that children can't be killed.

If a developer is too scared to allow children to be killed, then they shouldn't have them in the game... at least in a game like Skyrim.

I see your point, but if they don't have children running around, everyone just complains about how unrealistic it looks. Oh well. I'm playing Skyrim on the PS3 right now while I wait to upgrade the pc. I have no problem with the mod or with my current lack of access to it. It's just not one of my gripes about the game.

 

[Fluffis]

Just one more post from me as food for thought, then I'm leaving this thread (some of the people on it kind of scare me). For the people who actually WANT this mod, and the ones simply defending it:

You really see no difference whatsoever between killing an adult and killing a child? You can't think of any difference?

If you can't, then you really and truly freak me out.

 

[Pebblig]

I'm pretty sure that a game probably can't be published if it features child killing (BBFC, PEGI etc). Due to the fact it's considered ethically wrong. It's most likely the kind of thing that you'd need to have removed in order to get an age rating. The only way of making a game you can put anything into if it's free so it doesn't have to be classified.

I suppose if you want to put it another way, can you name a game that has child killing in it that is paid and has been released in the last 5 years?

I'm not surprised the mod is already out:

Two mods I expected in 1-2 weeks:
- Nude mod.
- Child Killing mod.

If people wanna do it they'll do it in a game you can't stop them lol.

 

[AnarchistFish]

I'm pretty sure it's illegal in some countries to play a game that involves kid-killing. Not really sure the justification for it though apart from just the assumption that it's wrong.