Skyrim: Did I make a mistake going Two Handed?

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Alhazred

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The key to defeating dragons is to interrupt their breath attacks rather than try to dodge or heal through them. I believe each major combat skill has something that can stun enemies and interrupt their attacks.

Warriors have Shield Bash.

Mages have Impact, a perk which allows dual-wielded spells to stun enemies

And I haven't played an archer yet, but I'm sure they also have a perk which can stun enemies.
 

Alhazred

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The key to defeating dragons is to interrupt their breath attacks rather than try to dodge or heal through them. I believe each major combat skill has something that can stun enemies and interrupt their attacks.

Warriors have Shield Bash.

Mages have Impact, a perk which allows dual-wielded spells to stun enemies

And I haven't played an archer yet, but I'm sure they also have a perk which can stun enemies.
 

Fieldy409_v1legacy

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You can block with your two hander and then 'shield bash' the dragon to knock them. If you do this while they are breathing fire they will stop.

Your best friends are closeness and blocking, and try to get at the wings, dont let it bite you.
 

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vrbtny said:
2 handed weapons are actually the best for taking on dragons. 1 handed Sword and Shield are pointless, because a shield is totally useless against a dragon, and you can use the extra hand for hitting the dragon!

oh, and no, i didn't. I'm being a fucking roman soldier.
With elemental shield? Please.

Shields will damn near make you invincible if you know what you're doing.

You can block any breath attacks and if you bash at the correct time you can stun them before most attacks.
 

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Well, either wait for them to land, taking cover in the meantime (it seems they are more likely to land on wide, flat spaces, so lure them there) or invest in a ranged skill, archery or destruction, most likely archery as it's got a greater initial range, you're a nord so it'll be easier to use initially (and you won't have to raise your magicka when you could be raising your health or stamina) and there's a slow motion perk that'll make flying dragons easier to hit.
 

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Jaeke said:
vrbtny said:
2 handed weapons are actually the best for taking on dragons. 1 handed Sword and Shield are pointless, because a shield is totally useless against a dragon, and you can use the extra hand for hitting the dragon!

oh, and no, i didn't. I'm being a fucking roman soldier.
With elemental shield? Please.

Shields will damn near make you invincible if you know what you're doing.

You can block any breath attacks and if you bash at the correct time you can stun them before most attacks.
Lots of people dismissed shields because they kinda suck until you get the cool perks like the one that slows time or the elemental protection one.
 

Jaeke

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Fieldy409 said:
Jaeke said:
vrbtny said:
2 handed weapons are actually the best for taking on dragons. 1 handed Sword and Shield are pointless, because a shield is totally useless against a dragon, and you can use the extra hand for hitting the dragon!

oh, and no, i didn't. I'm being a fucking roman soldier.
With elemental shield? Please.

Shields will damn near make you invincible if you know what you're doing.

You can block any breath attacks and if you bash at the correct time you can stun them before most attacks.
Lots of people dismissed shields because they kinda suck until you get the cool perks like the one that slows time or the elemental protection one.
Well after I got my duel-wield Scimitars that each do 132 damage plus... like... 15 frost damage? Something like that... anyway I got sick of one-shotting everything so I pulled out a shield and loved it.

Before my game broke though (and I restate I have the rage that could outshine the burning of 1000 supernovas) I was re-rolling as a Wood Elf that was two-handed and wore light armor.

Go against the grind!
 

Eclectic Dreck

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Nope. I beat the game the first time around doing more or less that. Of course, there are a few things to consider. First, you probably should invest in block or at least attempt to block from time to time. Hard hitting enemies do enough damage that a block can really help before your armor is at a useful level. If you need a free way to train it, grab a shield and make a few of those long term regen stamina meals and then track down a few foes. Dispatch all but one, eat whatever foodstuff you brought that has constant regen stamina and bash as quick as you like. It raises this skill incredibly quickly and for anything human (or about the same size) you can generally stun lock them until they die. Just don't invest in deadly bash before doing this or the enemy dies quickly.

Other things to consider: two handed weapons are staggeringly lethal. It is easily possible to deliver 900+ damage per normal swing if you play your cards right (and fiddle with enchanting, alchemy and smithing). Enchanting in particular is an excellent friend when it comes to damage as you'll want to get extra damage out of your giant killing device.

Finally, generally when you have a problem in Elder Scrolls, it is not the result of a bad idea on how you're going to approach the game but rather the result of gaining lots of secondary skills that force you to level beyond what you should. In the end, those support skills that are super easy to level up are a terrible burden if you aren't careful and enemies will quickly be able to overcome your armor and shrug off your hits. In the worst cases, one could end up with newbie combat skills yet be level 40 because they farmed sneak/pickpocket/speech.

All that said, I expect that given your level and the enemy in question that you've encountered problems on the road to High Hrothgar. Trolls are some of the most "difficult" enemies in the game - they're tough to stagger, they regenerate quickly, they soak up lots of damage and they attack with quick power attacks. Couple that with the fact that they can generally outrun you and you have a problem for a low level character. This makes the decision to have at least one Frost Troll on the road to High Hrothgar, the fourth quest in the game, really silly.

As such, I have a number of suggestions. First, join the companion's guild and complete the questline. In addition to getting some decent loot (including armor of similar stats to steel only lighter) you get free training in heavy armor, two handed, archery, one handed and block (you have to ask the trainer to follow you (which lets you access their inventory), then train, then retrieve your gold). A few levels of that can help bring up your skills to what they need to be. If you're having a problem with simply not being able to absorb damage, also consider finding the Lord Stone which grants a significant amount of protection to magic and physical damage. If magic is a problem, go to Riften's Temple of Mara and do the Book of Love quest - you'll get an always on +15% Resist Magika power.
 

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The_Blue_Rider said:
Biosophilogical said:
The_Blue_Rider said:
vrbtny said:
2 handed weapons are actually the best for taking on dragons. 1 handed Sword and Shield are pointless, because a shield is totally useless against a dragon, and you can use the extra hand for hitting the dragon!

oh, and no, i didn't. I'm being a fucking roman soldier.
Actually you can stagger dragons by shield bashing them :D also the shield deflects a lot of damage from their breath attacks
Might I ask you a question that I simply can't find the answer to online? When you get the shield perk that negates half elemental damage (while blocking), I know it makes Spellbreaker an obscene shield (because it effectively doubles it's ward strength), but does blocking something like a dragon's breath or a mage's spell improve your block skill? It makes sense that it wouldn't before that, because you aren't actually doing anything against the elemental damage, but what about after the perk??

Also, Sorry for necro-ing the thread, guys and gals. I swear I'm normally more restoration inclined than conjuration.

I'd assume that it would, since Im pretty sure your block increases when you catch damage with your shield
It does not, in fact. The shield uses a ward to block magic and the ward itself is improved by a few restoration spells. For whatever reason, there are exactly two things that improve block skill: blocking a (physical) attack and bashing an opponent. In the case of the former, the attack must hit the shield (only a problem with arrows it turns out, so long as you're facing the enemy) and the amount of experience gained is based on the amount of damage blocked (thus a better quality shield lets you train faster in much the same way that experience with weapons is based on damage done. This is a change from oblivion where it was metered by the number of attacks you performed). Shield bashing seems to be a flat rate that is significantly greater than what you get from blocking. Outside of odd cases (blocking an elder dragon's bite with a legendary daedric shield for example), bashing offers more of a skill increase than blocking.

That said, the elemental shield perk is not directional. Raising the shield increases your magicka resistance by 50%, up to the cap (which I believe is 80%). It is also supremely useful and probably a must have for any shield using character unless you're power gaming.

All that said, elemental resistance isn't really a big deal to get all told. Any race can get a respectable 65% resistance passively (it does require an absurd investment in alteration usage for some of it but 40% resist can be achieved by getting the Agent of Mara power and selecting the Lord Stone. Bretons can passively reach the cap with little effort using such things).
 

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The main things about playing any melee class is that you need significant magical/elemental resistance to not get gibbed by mages and dragonbreath. Once you get enough resistance, you can basically just stand there and give no fucks while you cut everything to pieces.
 

goose4291

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Sword and Shield with a bow as a backup. Can't go wrong with that chain of thought.
 

Ace33171

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I do believe that the main things people should improve on is smithing, choice of weapon and enchanting. without glitching i got my dadric bow to do more than 500 damage and it has soul-trap 10 fire damage and 22 frost damage. It kill all people one hit and elder dragons 3. My armor is dadric and all the enchantment are +40 percent bow and one hand damage i forgot to tell you my sword does 315 damage. that is the best way i have gone and i have 3 lv 50 and up accounts. Yes alchemy would be good but you can find some awesome potions i found one that does 40 better improving and it was good. And if you ever find a armor with muffle or water breathing buy it they are extremely rare only found one of water-breathing and two of muffle.