Skyrim is what every game should be like

[Ruwrak]

As much of a fanboy that I am for The Elder Scrolls Series..


No, it should not.
Seriously, it's a good game (quit whining about graphics not beeing as good as real life.. ) and I know it's the holy grail and the new Messias that will save us from 2012 since we'll be playing it in our basements, thus beeing to late for the death party.

But it's the new standard :V

 

[floatRand]

Now when I say skyrim is what every game should be like I do not mean every game should be a rpg or fantasy I mean every game should have content over graphics and all those small details something you can just immerse yourself

I disagree. Game should first and foremost be fun. Yes, Skyrim is all that.
However, I still hold one particular game above it, and it lasts only 30 minutes to complete ( if you are a wussy and use continues ).

 

[LilithSlave]

... I was coming into this thread expecting to be outraged.

Well, I do agree that content is more important than graphics. In fact, seriously, who cares about graphics? Graphics are a side bonus and are only worth it if you love paying a premium to a very specific aesthetic you like. For instance, Okami. Okami is a game that looks great in 1080p if you're into emulating, and should have a graphics updated re-release. But that's because I find that game to have one of the most amazing aesthetics I've ever seen in a game. The game doesn't need graphics, but they're one time where they are a great bonus.

Almost every other time, I see it as pointless. I don't understand all of these people spending thousands of dollars on high end computers so that they can turn of the resolution on brown first persons shooters. First person shooters are typically not beautiful games, and you'd might as well play most of them in 480p.

I find graphical enhancements only beautiful if games are beautiful and breathtaking to begin with. It's exciting just to talk old PlayStation games and filter them through Pete's Plugin. To breath further graphical life into them. And they look really great to me.

Playing games for graphics is really splurging on games. And really should only be something to do if you're really, really into a certain aesthetic. And honestly, most people who push graphics, don't really have a great aesthetic. It's slow and steady wins the race, if looks in a game matter at all, buy for aesthetics, not graphics.

Personally, I haven't been all that impressed by graphics since the SNES days. Not for the sake of graphics. And content is certainly more important that graphics will ever be.

On the other hand, I think the Elder Scrolls is kind of overrated.

 

[Tax_Document]

I don't exactly agree with the point of the OP, but I do say I haven't experience a crash with Skyrim and the only glitch is people missing chairs.

OT: I believe it is a solid formula not easily replicated with some genres.

 

[Dumbfish1]

The only problem I have with Skyrim is that the you can't see the fucking way-point on the compass.

Who thought it was a good idea to make the custom way-point so small and neutrally colored?

I have to open the map every 5 minutes just to make sure I'm walking in the right direction.

If that's the only problem you have, skyrim is a fucking awesome game. I've still yet to buy it :/

 

[Nesco Nomen]

Good game, but with sooooooo many flukes it's a mystery to me why I still consider it gg.

Great thing is that these flukes are infinitely less annoying,
than in that game about the guy with leather paints and 2 swords, so thats good...

 

[purf]

Now, games are just products of an entertainment industry and as such subject to taste, so everyone is free to not like Skyrim, but I do think there is something special about it:

...I agree with the OP in the way that developers of games in which you are a/one character should take a very good look into what Bethesda is doing (not only in Skyrim) and the way they really put you into a world, their way of telling a world. Because, games are not some kind of interactive movies and Bethesda's formula of taking this into account is, indeed, quite brilliant.

Spoiler: random stuff

I'm level 20 and so far I've only come across one(1) crash and one issue with a questitem that will leave one minor quest unfinished

 

[Mikeyfell]

The only problem I have with Skyrim is that the you can't see the fucking way-point on the compass.

Who thought it was a good idea to make the custom way-point so small and neutrally colored?

I have to open the map every 5 minutes just to make sure I'm walking in the right direction.

If that's the only problem you have, skyrim is a fucking awesome game. I've still yet to buy it :/

Don't get me wrong Skyrim is the best game this year by a lot

But that is still a MASSIVE problem. almost to the point of being game breaking,

Spoiler: this isn't a sp0iler but I'll tag it anyway

The first thing I wanted to do in Skyrim was run to the mage college so I could buy some Alteration spells. So I put the custom way-point all the way at the top right corner of the map. But the farther you put the way-point away from you the smaller the marker on the compass gets. And it's the same color as everything else on the compass. So unless you're going across the street you can't tell where the way point is.

It's so bad I sent Bethesda an email asking them to patch it.

 

[Twilight_guy]

In other words: Hey guys, Skyrim is cool and I'm cool! Am I doing it right?

Skyrim may or may not be a good game but a single game does not good design principles make. There are good design principles and they are divorced from any one game. Skyrim has some of them but the principles existed before Skyrim and will continue to exist when people cease to care about Skyrim.

 

[teh_Canape]

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graphics are pretty damn important
on the technical side, that is =P
it's important that you know exactly what it is that you're looking at, and being able to tell said thing from the scenery
what you meant, I think, is eye-candy

 

[Uncreation]

Now when I say skyrim is what every game should be like I do not mean every game should be a rpg or fantasy I mean every game should have content over graphics and all those small details something you can just immerse yourself

I have to admit that i have not played Skyrim yet. But no matter how immersive it is, i think you are either trolling or have not played that many games before. There are other games that are immersive, or that prioritize content over graphics. Sure, some of them might be quite a bit older, or far less main stream, but still.

 

[Syphous]

Hah, I popped in Morrowind while the GF was playing Skyrim out in the living room. Happy to announce Skyrim does not replace Morrowind in the least. Still phenomenal, still ridiculously deep, still the best culture in Tamriel.

And somehow I've seen less bugs in it than in Skyrim!!!

Probably because it's been patched to hell and back. Do you have any idea how bad Morrowind was when it was originally released without any of the expansion packs or patches? It was fucking terrible. Didn't take away from the fact that it was fun and deep and unlike anything else that was being released at the time.

 

[jamie56]

uncreation you are totally right my entire point is those sort of game which just has huge amounts of contents are so rare these days think of the text based adventures of the 1970s (I am not saying games hould be text based adventures) they had the right model work out the world and less on the graphic

 

[Lilani]

Now when I say skyrim is what every game should be like I do not mean every game should be a rpg or fantasy I mean every game should have content over graphics and all those small details something you can just immerse yourself

Yeah, you can immerse yourself until the crappy or nonexistent NPC animations pull you back out It is great in many respects, but there still are places that could use some polish. You can't deny that.

 

[Fusioncode9]

Now when I say skyrim is what every game should be like I do not mean every game should be a rpg or fantasy I mean every game should have content over graphics and all those small details something you can just immerse yourself

Quality over Quantity, I don't care how much content is in the game as long as it's good. Portal 2 was only 4 hours and yet that game was excellent.

PS: I'm not saying I don't like Skyrim, I am really enjoying. I'm just saying that putting a lot of stuff into your game won't necessarily make it good.

 

[jamie56]

yes your right quality over quantity but am saying a good game should have alot of quality content that lasts for ages and you get the small details right( I know poeple will probably say this is getting my cake and eating it to)

 

[DoomyMcDoom]

Now when I say skyrim is what every game should be like I do not mean every game should be a rpg or fantasy I mean every game should have content over graphics and all those small details something you can just immerse yourself

As someone who is playing Skyrim right now,I can safely say that it has created an immersive world(but then again I can name 10 games off the top of my head that did so as well and there are plenty others as well) but regarding content, well most of it is padding. This is a game that could go on FOREVER, with the radial quests or whatever they're called. It's an immersive sandbox but what is the content really? The story in itself is serviceable and the dragons are cool but most of the content is the caves/ruins you'll explore, though they are well done. Might as well be a dungeon crawler.

You can create immersion with a linear story(with less content than a sandbox obviously) as well is what I'm saying. I don't think I am going to change the fate of whomever when I go down in my 30th cave, just what interesting enemies and weapons I'll find and that's cool but there are players who value story progression more than item hunting and exploration.

I wouldn't say it's the greatest game ever, or that it's bug free (I'm just lucky that my computer seems to have an absurd level of luck in it's compatability and has not encountered more than 2 CTDs and one strange sporadic minimize in skyrim after 50 some hours of gameplay)
but when you play it as an open world nordic dungeon crawler, with some story thrown in and that's what you want, you get a lot outa the game... and when you compare the story to oblivions gate slog, you can find it majorly refreshing, also the fact that combat works better, and magic sucks less, and the leveling system isn't complete bollocks, it's rather nice, but it is far from being a cornerstone game by which judgement for all other games can or should be passed... it's a damn good game, nothing more, and whther you see it as less is generally open to personal experience with the buggyness of the product as realized by your personal hardware configuration, whether you've luckily landed in a sweet spot like me, or fallen into a general bug ridden hell... like most other people...


Then again I always judge games based on their own merits, and or the merits of the series which they are part of(in the case of sequels) I try to avoid nostalgia fog, and if the games are spaced far enough apart, and if the previous one had extreme flaws visible from orbit 3 systems distant... then it's nice to see some improvement, especially in gameplay but also definately in story and pacing.