Skyrim: Stormcloak or Empire?

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Scorched_Cascade

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Ladies and Gentlemen: Context.

The empire has relatively recently emerged from a costly war in which they won a Pyrrhic victory. They pushed the Almeri Dominion out of their home territory of Cyrodiil but in the process gave them half of Hammerfall as part of the peace treaty and outlawed the worship of the god of the empire giving Thalmar free access to persecute his followers.

-Talos is the most significant of the nine divines for the Empire because he was a man who became a god, specifically an emperor. The Empire is basically shaming itself by denying their founder's divinity.

-The Empire has also been forced to allow Black Marsh (Argonians) and Elseweyr (Khajit) to secede from it.

-Morrowind was wrecked by an ash volcano eruption and then subsequently invaded by the now free-agent Argonians.

-Hammerfall was expelled from the empire due to their refusal to accept the White-gold peace treaty. The Redguard continued fighting all by themselves and to put it bluntly: kicked elven arse. They single-handedly threw the Thalmer out of the parts of Hammerfall the Empire freely gave over as part of the peace treaty.

-The Empire currently consists of: Skyrim (Nords), Cyrodiil (Imperials) and High Rock (Some Orcs, Bretons) and is not all that great a military force any more (Nords and Redguard used to do the bulk of the fighting till Hammerfall's split and Skyrim's civil war)

-Skyrim is being drained of resources (mainly manpower and metal) to float the other two provinces.

-The Thalmor call themselves the "savior of mer (elven) kind" basically if you're not an elf you're a second class citizen or worse a slave.

Skyrim currently has just finished fighting the Thalmor (elves) and is bordered on one side by Morrowind which has just been invaded by unallied Argonians.... can you see why the Nords might be a little predisposed to not trust those races?

Those of you balking at the capture of that one town need to remember that without decisive movements the civil war just grinds down both sides and causes unnecessary loss of life. That town was given months to decide where their allegiances lay. The Jarl thought that the Empire would win and wanted to be on the winning side so his people were not mistreated by the eventual victor.

The town was captured within a day (presumably) and with fairly minimal loss of life. Had they decided to sack and burn the town you might have cause to call them unjust...but they didn't.

TL;DR:
-The Empire is not the strong, overwhelming force you think it is
-You think the racism unjustified? Look to Europe's past and how those associated with prior aggressors were treated by those they had been fighting against. It's not racism for racism's sake.
-Yes Ulfric is a dick and selfishly motivated but he's a good leader. Have you actually spoken to the Jarl of Solitude? She means well but she doesn't know her ass from her elbow when it comes to military doctrine; at one point she suggests sending an entire legion to clear an insignificant cave complex before her advisors correct her.
-Windhelm is a shithole purely because it's a shithole not because of Ulfric's direct actions (it's highly likely it's a slum to be due to him being rebel and unsupported by the other towns in skyrim with limited trade)
-Solitude (The Empire's skyrim capitol) is surrounded by water. Thalmor elves specialise in naval warfare. Should they siege it, they'll win.

Edit:

Here's a map of Tamriel

Empire= High Rock, Cyrodiil, Skyrim
Argonian forces= Black Marsh, Morrowind
Almeri Dominion (Thalmor)=Summerset Isle, Valenwood
Unaligned= Hammerfell, Elseweyer
 

Febel

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I don't really think I can be blamed for siding with the empire from the very beginning. A DRAGON ATTACKED AND I NEEDED AN AUTHORITY FIGURE! And Hadvar was so nice and sorry about having people trying to lop my head off.
 

Volstag9

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The Empire. Why? well Ulfric isn't exactly the nicest fellow but the real reason was a little book.

Let me ask you guys something. Did any of you read the:

Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric?

If you did. You went Empire.
 

halfeclipse

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Empire. Not a hard choice really seeing as Ulfric is a racist, power hungry bastard who moonlights as a Thalmor minion.
 

Apothecary2

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Ulfric Stormcloak is working for the Thalmor. He gains control of Skyrim and the empire is weakened making it easier for the thalmor to capture. You should realize that when you help the stormcloaks you serve the thalmor who seek the destruction of all life on nirn. My source is the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak. You should find it.
 

Apothecary2

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Ulfric Stormcloak is working for the Thalmor. He gains control of Skyrim and the empire is weakened making it easier for the thalmor to capture. You should realize that when you help the stormcloaks you serve the thalmor who seek the destruction of all life on nirn. My source is the Thalmor dossier on Ulfric Stormcloak. You should find it.
 

Chicago Ted

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TheKasp said:
I have a hard time choosing the Empire. From the first moment on you get the feeling that somethings wrong with them and later on you'll see public executions from some people who just said that the Stormcloaks might have actually a good point. They are basically the dog of the Thalmore.
Uh... What?

Maybe I missed something, but if you're meaning the execution of the ex-guard in Solitude, which I believe you are, it's because that guard willingly let Ulfric flee the city under his watch with the knowledge that he had just killed the King. He wasn't being executed for no reason, but for treason.

Anyways, I went with the Empire. The Stormcloaks are going to do more damage to the Empire and make it easy for the Thalmor to crush it. The Empire needs to stand as one and have Skyrim and the Nords behind it. Skyrim recieved virtually none of the burden of the war after all, and they will be needed to fight it again when the Empire has time to recover.

See, that's all the Empire really needs right now is time before they fight the Thalmor again. Give them a few years at most to absorb their losses and retrain some armies and they'll be ready to take the Thalmor on once more. The High Elves will have much more difficulty raising their numbers then the Empire, so all that they need to do is continually wear them down and the Thalmor should be defeated in the end.
 

Berenzen

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Empire, because I read the Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric before doing the civil war questline, it pretty well sealed it.
 

Jezzascmezza

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I haven't actually sided with either yet, but eventually I think I'll go with the Empire, because my character is an Imperial, and Ulfiric seems like a dick.
 

praetor_alpha

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My character has not decided, and probably never will. Ulfric does not seem to notice me much (come to think of it, barely any Jarl does), and his city is segregated and full of racists. On the other hand, the Empire tried to execute me (not a good way to get on someone's side). I go up to Thalmor Justicars and tell them I worship Talos, then they get too excited about it. I'm perfectly content letting everyone have their wars, their lands, their women, their mead, whatever, I don't care. I saved the world, and can hang out with dragons, BITCHES!!!!
 

King of Wei

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Havent made an official decision yet, some 90 hours in, but am leaning toward the Stormcloaks. The Empire has kind of run its course in my eyes so its time for some radical change. Also, a decisive victoy against the Empire is a victory against the Thalmore, which would inspire other provinces to rebel.
 

CobraX

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Volstag9 said:
The Empire. Why? well Ulfric isn't exactly the nicest fellow but the real reason was a little book.

Let me ask you guys something. Did any of you read the:

Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric?

If you did. You went Empire.
Berenzen said:
Empire, because I read the Thalmor Dossier on Ulfric before doing the civil war questline, it pretty well sealed it.
Correct me If I'm wrong but doesn't the Dossier just say he He cracked under Interrogation and that the Civil War indirectly benefits the Thalmor?
 

CobraX

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double post, my bad. Derpy Escapist and it's glitches. Once again, My Apologies
 

Tselis

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I went Empire, although I thought that both sides were being dicks to an equal level.
 

brainslurper

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XMark said:
Joined the Stormcloaks because it seemed the natural thing to do. Although further into the game I started to think that Ulfric is just a power-hungry racist douchebag and the empire's really not so bad.

I mean, the worst thing the empire did is outlawing the worship of Talos, but that was a condition forced on the empire because the Thalmor had them by balls. (uh oh. bad mental image. go away!)

And the first major battle in the Stormcloak campaign didn't sit well with me. I liked that town :(

Is it possible to switch sides when you're already deep into the quest line for one faction?
Maybe go talk to the dude in castle solitude. If that doesn't work, walk into windhelm, kill lottsaa bitches, try again.
 

Grabbin Keelz

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I had a hard time deciding, I wanted to join the stormcloaks since the empire thought it'd be easier to chop off my head rather than stop for a moment to wonder why since I did nothing, however the stormcloaks were almost as bad, almost to the point of being racist bullies. It wasn't until I talked with the jarl of Falkreach that I finally decided. I may not like the Stormcloaks, but I don't like the empire even more. And at least if I have a complaint about how the stormcloaks run Skyrim, I know who to go to.