Skyrims ending vs ME3 ending.

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Caramel Frappe said:
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Skyrim's ending was disappointing of course but... Mass Effect 3'd ending was the worst I had even experienced in all my gaming history. Let me tell you why in my opinion- Mass Effect's ending is much worse since i've played and beaten both games:

- Mass Effect had three games total which is really one long story.

- You worked so hard, doing all those missions and side missions including getting your war asset to over 5,000 in ME3 which isn't required but the highest you need for a grand fleet to aid you.

- Throughout all three games, you really developed a bond and friendship with every crew mate and got attached to the series. You actually care about these characters.

Everything you've done.... ... is tossed out the window. Everything, you did, was for nothing. The ending screws Shepard over, has more plot holes then a vortex could swallow, and worst of all does not even give us a closure. Nope, it just ... ugh. Horrible, horrible ending.

Only issue in Skyrim's ending was the boss fight. Yeah it could of been improved but everything else in Skyrim makes up for the ending. In Mass Effect 3 though... all we worked for comes down to a big middle finger to the face, which drives into the face so hard blood is spurting out. Sorry for the graphic imagery i've given you but yeah that's how I felt. Not as upset now but the way Mass Effect ended made me feel such pain and some despair even.
You'll have to forgive me as I've not played ME3 yet (I give no shit for spoilers though). But from what I understand you get a bad outcome.

Does a bad outcome mean bad ending? (If you follow).

As for plot holes/inconsistencies.
Skyrims has a massive one too, the whole point behind the Dovakhin. He can absorb the souls of the Dragons. That's why he's the only one who can kill them properly. Yet he does absorb Alduin. So Alduin isn't dead. WTF was the point?
 

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Soopy said:
Caramel Frappe said:
Soopy said:
Skyrim's ending was disappointing of course but... Mass Effect 3'd ending was the worst I had even experienced in all my gaming history. Let me tell you why in my opinion- Mass Effect's ending is much worse since i've played and beaten both games:

- Mass Effect had three games total which is really one long story.

- You worked so hard, doing all those missions and side missions including getting your war asset to over 5,000 in ME3 which isn't required but the highest you need for a grand fleet to aid you.

- Throughout all three games, you really developed a bond and friendship with every crew mate and got attached to the series. You actually care about these characters.

Everything you've done.... ... is tossed out the window. Everything, you did, was for nothing. The ending screws Shepard over, has more plot holes then a vortex could swallow, and worst of all does not even give us a closure. Nope, it just ... ugh. Horrible, horrible ending.

Only issue in Skyrim's ending was the boss fight. Yeah it could of been improved but everything else in Skyrim makes up for the ending. In Mass Effect 3 though... all we worked for comes down to a big middle finger to the face, which drives into the face so hard blood is spurting out. Sorry for the graphic imagery i've given you but yeah that's how I felt. Not as upset now but the way Mass Effect ended made me feel such pain and some despair even.
You'll have to forgive me as I've not played ME3 yet (I give no shit for spoilers though). But from what I understand you get a bad outcome.

Does a bad outcome mean bad ending? (If you follow).

As for plot holes/inconsistencies.
Skyrims has a massive one too, the whole point behind the Dovakhin. He can absorb the souls of the Dragons. That's why he's the only one who can kill them properly. Yet he does absorb Alduin. So Alduin isn't dead. WTF was the point?
There is only one outcome to the mass effect ending with the only variance being what color of space magic you shoot out of your arse.

The point of Dhoakin was to slay Alduin the dragon of space and time? This is news to me. I thought it was to prevent him from gluping up the world and teach him a lesson. That mortals are <3
 

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Soopy said:
I find it difficult to fathom, that mediocrity can be acceptable if its expected. (Not directed at anyone).
How is a game like Skyrim praised as it is, when a game like ME3 is crucified?
I mean, I don't think ME2 was all that flash. Which is why I haven't bought ME3. I did love ME1 how ever.

So for me, Mass Effect and TES are on a level playing field. I knew Skyrim was going to be iffy, but JESUS it was aweful.
I seen where Mass Effect was going at the end of ME2, so the controversy wasn't a surprise.
It's like this. You have a candy bar on one hand, and a delicious, green salad on the other. If you find out the candy bar is loaded with fat and calories, well that's okay, it's a candy bar. If you find out the salad is equally unhealthy, you're going to feel misled. Skyrim and Mass Effect are completely different experiences, you're not playing Skyrim for the story, you're in it to explore, to define character, and make your mark in the world in whatever way you see fit.
 

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Skyrim doesn't end my friend.

Sure the Main Quest ends but that doesn't mean anything. Besides, if you play ES for their main quest... you're in for a rough ride.
 

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Despite the main storyline for Skyrim feeling so boring and unimmersive for what is essentially a glorified map wandering game with RPG elements.. at least the ending made sense thematically with the rest of the game.

Mass Effect 3's ending was just shit, making little to no sense thematically or in consistency with the rest of the series. I can still play Mass Effect 3, of course, but I always shut it off right after the final companion conversations on Earth and just go with my headcanon ending instead. At least until the EC comes out, hopefully..
 

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Jaeke said:
Skyrim doesn't end my friend.

Sure the Main Quest ends but that doesn't mean anything. Besides, if you play ES for their main quest... you're in for a rough ride.
I play TES for the story. Not each individual story but how they all fall together. Skyrim butt fucked the Lore surrounding Alduin and Dragons in general.
 

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Jaeke said:
Skyrim doesn't end my friend.

Sure the Main Quest ends but that doesn't mean anything. Besides, if you play ES for their main quest... you're in for a rough ride.
By a Khajiit. Points if you get why this is a bad thing.
 

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Merely not having an ending would have been a kindness compared to ME3's ending, there can be no comparison here.
 

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Soopy said:
I felt that Skyrim's ending, wasn't an ending. The game just sort of stops and no one speaks of it again. There is no reward for it, there is no closure and the physical "boss" fight is almost mind blowingly bad.
You mean the ending where you go to Valhalla and kill the dragon who appears to be contempt eatting the souls of people or, the ending where you chose one side of a civil war and, single-handedly end it? On the one hand, Dragons are back in Skyrim and no matter what they will always stay there. Alduin being alive or dead makes no noticeable difference and the dragon who helps you...why exactly was I supposed to kill him? I didn't and tried to kill the humans who told me to kill him but no dice. It wasn't part of an official quest so I let him live.

As for the Civil War...I've bitched about it before: Other than the final battle there is no indication that a war is even going on. No skirmishes, no ground battles, nothing except for villagers talking about the war. I joined the Imperials because I was an Argonian and one of the Stormcloaks said something racist about my people (or maybe the elves...I dunno) so I decided to join the other side. After doing a few quests...none of the Stormcloaks cared. Nobody on their side attacked me, even after I massacred half of their camps!

I haven't seen all 3 Mass Effect 3 endings but I've read up about the indoctrination theory. Based on the little bits of the endings I have seen, it doesn't look half bad. The Skyrim endings are just...non-existent. I never beat Morrowind but the ending of Oblivion was great! Why couldn't that be topped!?
 

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I see the thread title and go "OH BOY! Shitstorm a brewing." Instead we have a nice discussion so far, pleasant surprise.


Shoggoth2588 said:
I never beat Morrowind but the ending of Oblivion was great! Why couldn't that be topped!?
Oblivion's ending great? I wouldn't call it horrible, but it was incredibly uninspired: Martin sacrifices himself, gates of Oblivion closed, your the champion woooooo. Oblivion all around had a pretty weak story,
 

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Lovely Mixture said:
I see the thread title and go "OH BOY! Shitstorm a brewing." Instead we have a nice discussion so far, pleasant surprise.


Shoggoth2588 said:
I never beat Morrowind but the ending of Oblivion was great! Why couldn't that be topped!?
Oblivion's ending great? I wouldn't call it horrible, but it was incredibly uninspired: Martin sacrifices himself, gates of Oblivion closed, your the champion woooooo. Oblivion all around had a pretty weak story,
Compared to Skyrim it's great. Alduin comes back to life and then after taunting you goes straight to Valhalla and just eats souls. Dagon actually came to Imperial City and stomped on some stuff. It seemed like shit was actually going down and there was a sense of urgency. Sure, Martin sacrificed himself so Akatosh could come and defeat Dagon for you but it was still great to watch unfold. It even adds an awesome statue to the temple in Imperial City whereas when you kill Alduin...he just kind of disappears. I'm pretty sure the NPCs in Imperial City also talk about the invasion after it happens but I can't really remember.