Smacked children more successful later in life, study finds

[Cosplay Horatio]

I got beat as a child too, kinda difficult NOT to do homework when Dad is standing over you with one of those juggling stick things in his hands after he hits you with the most pain inducing part of it.

I've also been struck with a triple ruler(broke it when striking my leg), a regular ruler, a belt, a shoe, a slipper, and I don't know if I'm spelling it wrong but one of my moms chanklas.

I am respectful, trustworthy, and strong because of this. Most bad attitude kids you see you wish their parents would stop crying about it but it's really up to them to decide if calling those professional nannies or beating them is necessary.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Alot better than having one of those liberal douchebag parents who treat their kids as 'equals'.

Their kids are their equals. Age is not a part of the equation when determining a person's belonging to humanity. Assault is always assault, regardless of magnitude, target or purpose. I have never understood how assaulting a defenseless child can be seen as something better and more innocent than assaulting a drunkard at a bar...

I wonder, by the way, how most of the proponents of this would react to me "smacking" my wife to "make her learn".

Oh God, laughed so hard.

...wait, that comparison WAS a joke, right?

I thought that lol. I think he's missing the point, there is a difference between a smack and having your fingers cut off.

 

[JeanLuc761]

A thousand times this. Children and teenagers of the current generation just seem to misbehave more and more, and have less respect for any kind of authority. Before I start sounding like an old geezer, I'm only 22. The change is just that noticeable.

My parents used discipline to great effect, and I'm thankful for it. I don't think it's right when parents take it too far, but the absence of any kind of discipline does a lot of harm, too.

Pretty much this. Hell, I'm 19 and it's plain as day. Now, I don't advocate abuse, but a quick smack to the head/ear/back/butt along with an explanation as to WHY the smack was necessary is perfect. If I have kids, rest assured I won't be one of those people who define spanking as "child abuse."

 

[Daystar Clarion]

A thousand times this. Children and teenagers of the current generation just seem to misbehave more and more, and have less respect for any kind of authority. Before I start sounding like an old geezer, I'm only 22. The change is just that noticeable.

My parents used discipline to great effect, and I'm thankful for it. I don't think it's right when parents take it too far, but the absence of any kind of discipline does a lot of harm, too.

Pretty much this. Hell, I'm 19 and it's plain as day. Now, I don't advocate abuse, but a quick smack to the head/ear/back/butt along with an explanation as to WHY the smack was necessary is perfect. If I have kids, rest assured I won't be one of those people who define spanking as "child abuse."

Indeed, I'm only 22 and you can already notice how messed up kids are nowadays.

 

[Lord George]

If I have kids and they act bad then I will hit them, this will continue until they are not bad, simple reinforcement techniques which will hopefully make them grow into well adjusted and nice adults.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Smacking should be a last resort, but it should be a viable last resort. Without a threat of some sort, there is no way any child is trained to deal with the threat of the outside world.

Same reason that it's good for them to roll around in the mud.

I wonder, by the way, how most of the proponents of this would react to me "smacking" my wife to "make her learn".

I'd give the same response. If your wife is about to physically harm herself worse than your action, I see nothing wrong in blocking her action with a smack. I'd also be willing to take jail-time for doing it, because if it's at that point where you have to decide, you've already done the kindest thing you could do in the situation.

If your wife touches a live cable, you have roughly five seconds to hit her as hard as you can away from it or her heart dies. Not only would I endorse that, but I would ask it to be carried out against me in the same situation.

 

[theguiltyone]

Alright , would you say it would be appropriate and helpful if teachers were allowed hit children in their classes because they weren't getting something right all the time? You're missing my point. Violence just doesn't work in rearing children.

No, I wouldn't say that, mostly because teachers aren't responsible for children and their upbringing in the same way or to the same degree that a parent is.

I see that your point is "Spanking is violence and violence is bad", but I really think you're making spanking out to be some horrific violent attack that it isn't, or at the very least shouldn't be. That's my opinion, however, and again is only based on the fact that I underwent such 'violence' myself and do not see it as harshly as you do.

No I am not. I don't think children chew their own mucous because they aren't spanked in childhood.

Now you're missing MY point. I never suggested or implied you spank a child for eating boogers, or that is the reason they DO. It was simply a demonstration of the sort of mind you suggested attempting to explain things to in a rational manner.

When you learn to self-psychiatry, please get back to me.

That would be akin to me telling you to learn proper grammar before indulging in conversation.

My opinion is no more or less valid than yours because my lack of a degree in the matter of psychology. Please don't bring this discussion down to a matter of "Well, you can't prove you're not messed up, so your experience doesn't count". That's just a slippery slope of personal insinuations about someone you don't know on the internet, and leads away from the main point of discussion.

Which is, as far as I can figure, that you equate spanking with violence, which is to be avoided in all circumstances, and do not understand why a person would hit a child. I, meanwhile, was spanked as a child and DO understand the good it can do. I'm sorry I've failed in explaining myself on that point, since it seems your views on the matter don't leave for much in the way of understanding so much as pronouncing judgment. A "it's wrong because it's wrong" case, if you will.

Which is fine. To each their own. If I ever have children, I'll spank them when the situation calls for it, and you can boo and hiss from the sidelines if you like.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I was hit. Still a failure at life, will be until I pull my socks up and join the military. Also, yeah, I can be aggressive, especially towards "authority".

 

[SextusMaximus]

I completely agree with this. But now it's "child cruelty". Bulsh, if this had been brought on in my primary, a lot of druggies in my old school would have learned.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

I completely agree with this. But now it's "child cruelty". Bulsh, if this had been brought on in my primary, a lot of druggies in my old school would have learned.

To be fair, even though I'm for bringing corporal punishment back, we still did a lot of crazy shit when we were younger. Not as much as these days though.

 

[Nimbus]

I wouldn't know. I was a perfect child who almost never had to be punished in any way.

I don't know how my parents managed to do it...

 

[Sephychu]

Problems I have with this theory:

A. Telegraph. I don't like them.
B. Study source?
C. Studies also show that children don't actually like chocolate.

 

[BaldursBananaSoap]

I got smacked and I do pretty well at school. However, I'm a lazy bastard who wont do anything until the last minute and wont do it if I don't think it's worth the trouble.

I'll hit my child when he steps out of line though. There's nothing like a good dragon kick to the face when they've done something wrong. And I'll just randomly smack him/her with an iron or whatever I can find within arms reach. Just because you never saw them doing anything, it doesn't mean they haven't done something when you weren't looking.

 

[HoodedPunhist]

I remember when I was younger (elementary school times) my dad used to beat me up by kicking and hitting (he had alcohol problems and alzheimer's disease at starting stage, now it's pretty much dominating him and making it impossible for him to even form words.) yet I don't think it made me any smarter, only made me hate him.

I'm still pretty decent at school having 9 out of 10 average grade. And if I'm ever going to have kids I will not violate them by physical means. Maybe just fuck them up mentally and teach them some disciplines. You can do that without violating them or even without "smacking" like you like to call it.

Oh yea and I still hate him though he lives in hospital at the moment. I'm a asshole I know but childhood trauma I got from that violation still pops up to my mind when I see him. That's why I don't go see him without my family forcing me to do that. So to anyone who even "smacks" their kids remember this when you do it. Find better and more constructive way to discipline them. After all you people seem smart enough for that. Violence is for pussies.

 

[Alpha Centauri]

I had a feeliong about this! And yes I was smacked, and it worked.

 

[Superbeast]

I remember when I was younger (elementary school times) my dad used to beat me up by kicking and hitting (he had alcohol problems and alzheimer's disease at starting stage, now it's pretty much dominating him and making it impossible for him to even form words.) yet I don't think it made me any smarter, only made me hate him.

I'm still pretty decent at school having 9 out of 10 average grade. And if I'm ever going to have kids I will not violate them by physical means. Maybe just fuck them up mentally and teach them some disciplines. You can do that without violating them or even without "smacking" like you like to call it.

Oh yea and I still hate him though he lives in hospital at the moment. I'm a asshole I know but childhood trauma I got from that violation still pops up to my mind when I see him. That's why I don't go see him without my family forcing me to do that. So to anyone who even "smacks" their kids remember this when you do it. Find better and more constructive way to discipline them. After all you people seem smart enough for that. Violence is for pussies.

The point is, what your dad did to you is not what we refer to when we say "smacking".

Your dad smacked you around, he didn't smack you. Subtle difference, but one we english understand

Seriously, what your dad did constitutes child abuse. What we're talking about is a clip round the ear or a pat on the bottom, not kicking seven shades of hell out of the kid. It leaves a very different experience on the kid - one teaches them that they suffer consequences for actions they have been -repeatedly- told not to do, the other just makes them introverted, hurt, hateful and violent.

No-one here, when they say "smacking" a child means what happened to you (your use of the "" around smacking makes it sound like we'd classify what your dad did to you as a justifiable smack hence I'm mentioning this again).

You say violence is for pussies...but I sure as hell know that if I hadn't have been smacked on occasion I certainly would not be alive now. Kids do stupid things all the time - they may be "on a par developmentally with adults" or whatever a previous poster said, but adults are less likely to run out into the middle of the road after a ball without looking. I had two elder siblings, and it was only through smacking that my parents could sort us out (and no, they are not crap parents before you try to blame them) - kids have a natural way of winding each other up even when the parent says "no". Oft times I'd be goaded into attacking my sisters, but the smacking taught me that there were far better ways to get them back - usually by getting them into trouble for the goading.

In essence, I was smacked when I was younger and didn't have a concept of conscience, fair or couldn't really take in what my parents were saying. They'd explain what I had done wrong, but I just didn't get it. The smack made me think twice next time around. As I got a bit older, they brought in groundings and early bedtimes - with the threat of a smack for more severe stuff (which was more dangerous as I grew bigger/stronger). Once I hit 10-12 the smacking stopped entirely and the focus was on withholding pocket money, confiscating games-consoles or computers, grounding me, making me do household chores - that kinda stuff; because I could appreciate what I had done wrong, and why it was wrong. That's what I intend to do with my kids, regardless of if the internet regards it as "being a pussy" - I know I won't have unruly spoilt brats that never listen to their parents like my extended family (which does all this new-age parenting stuff) does - which is far more important.

 

[Tonimata]

I got beaut up badly. Like, slipper to the face (and my dad's no smallfoot). So, yeah, more succesful? Probably. More mentally unstable? OH HELL YESSSSSSSS!

 

[Nomad]

Maybe you should pay attention. I said PEOPLE I KNOW.

Right, sorry. Strike the first part of my argument. The rest of it still stands, though. And you're welcome to dispute it or fold.

I thought that lol. I think he's missing the point, there is a difference between a smack and having your fingers cut off.

I think you're missing the point. I never said anything about cutting my wife's fingers off. I asked what the difference is between me smacking her to teach her a lesson, and me smacking my child to teach him a lesson.

It's a comparison between smacking and smacking. Why is one better than the other, when both magnitude and purpose is the same? The only difference is the target. And I have to question the reasoning that smacking someone half your size is better than smacking someone of equal size.

If your wife touches a live cable, you have roughly five seconds to hit her as hard as you can away from it or her heart dies. Not only would I endorse that, but I would ask it to be carried out against me in the same situation.

... Hit her? Why not, you know, pull her away? Or, in case it's your child, lift him/her up?
Am I the only one who finds the thought of hitting someone to pull them away from something a little weird..?

 

[Bluesclues]

Alot better than having one of those liberal douchebag parents who treat their kids as 'equals'.

Their kids are their equals. Age is not a part of the equation when determining a person's belonging to humanity. Assault is always assault, regardless of magnitude, target or purpose. I have never understood how assaulting a defenseless child can be seen as something better and more innocent than assaulting a drunkard at a bar...

I wonder, by the way, how most of the proponents of this would react to me "smacking" my wife to "make her learn".

Equal rights means equal beatings.

On a serious note, by your reasoning then there is no difference between say a 13 year old girl and a 25 year old man, because they're equals right? So if those 2 have any form of a sexual encounter with each other there should be no repercussions on the older man's part, because they're equals, of course. No, I'm sorry, you're wrong. By society's standards that would be considered rape, and within good reason (a girl that age who is still busy developing has no business with a fully developed man). But I digress.

If our History and Global Studies classes ever taught us anything, it's that there's no such thing as equals. Sure, we're all human, but we have always had social classes of different statuses. Why? Because there are those who lead, and those who follow, and that rule applies especially in parenting. By your definition a child should have the same authority as their parents, and I'll be damned if that's ever truly the case. Should they question their parents motives or reasoning? I believe so, but I don't think a child should ever be seen as "equal" (at least in that sense) until they've moved out on their own accord.

Anyways, I went a bit off topic. To answer the question at the end, yes, I was physically disciplined when I was young, and I'm not some delinquent hellbent on opposing my parents at every corner. What you parents and scornful children need to understand is 2 things: 1) There's a HUGE difference between a sharp slap on the bottom to teach right and wrong and putting your child in a coma one night while you were drunk for back sass, and 2)supressing your child will cause them to act out more than anything else. Prime example would be the Puritans, they supressed their people and lo and behold, nymphos were born. Think on that for a bit.

 

[rokkolpo]

i'm for it!

i've been hit!

and it worked!

.......!