Small Rant: REVEAL is not a NOUN!

[Eisenfaust]

rightio then, lets just eliminate that word and every other new word that arrises... THEN lets go back and eliminate all the words shakespeare invented that are now part of common parlance... death to change!

 

[Elle-Jai]

If you disagree, just don't respond

Or perhaps post my disagreements so a reasonable discourse may follow?

The OP is clearly trying to portray this particular usage as "improper", if he were calling the usage "informal" I wouldn't have cared or posted.

Touche. Point well made and well taken

 

[Elle-Jai]

rightio then, lets just eliminate that word and every other new word that arrises... THEN lets go back and eliminate all the words shakespeare invented that are now part of common parlance... death to change!

*hysterical laughter*

I love it!! Brilliant idea!! Let's do it. Does anyone happen to have a medieval dictionary handy so we can figure out which words to strike out of existence?

 

[Forgetitnow344]

Ctrl+F 'fail'

There's a word people ought to look up. Something cannot BE fail. It CAN fail. It can be a failURE, but it cannot BE FAIL.

 

[AvsJoe]

In any event, chillax yo, take it easy lemon squeezy, grammar aint no thang but a chicken wing.

Yeah, dawg. Cool down, brah. This ain't no difficult difficult lemon difficult concept, shizzlet.

 

[oktalist]

The use of "reveal" as a noun is almost as bad as the use of "effect" as a verb by business-school types.

What bugs me about that latter example is that the word "effect" as a verb is used where the word "cause" should be, literally confusing cause and effect!

That is a correct use of the verb to effect. To effect a change; to bring about a change; to cause a change to occur.

In any event, chillax yo, take it easy lemon squeezy, grammar aint no thang but a chicken wing. /humor off

When you put /something at the end of a line, the slash means "end of", like /thread means "end of thread". "End of humor off" is either a double negative or just nonsense. /metagrammar Nazi

 

[SimuLord]

The use of "reveal" as a noun is almost as bad as the use of "effect" as a verb by business-school types.

What bugs me about that latter example is that the word "effect" as a verb is used where the word "cause" should be, literally confusing cause and effect!

That is a correct use of the verb to effect. To effect a change; to bring about a change; to cause a change to occur.

Not saying it isn't technically correct, only that it is a very poor linguistic construction. It's inelegant. Irritating.

 

[jaeger138]

We call this the evolution of language, it happens constantly and grammar Nazis rant about it until the people at your respective national dictionary decide it's worth putting in the next edition.

 

[bojac6]

I even hear the sainted MovieBob say this...it isn't proper English to say "big reveal". "Reveal" was intended to be a verb, not a noun. I didn't actually hear people start saying this until Extreme Makeover Home Edition, but it might have started earlier. I don't care. It's just a constant pet peeve gnawing at my grammar-Nazi gut every time someone refers to a "reveal".

The noun form of "reveal" is "REVELATION". Perhaps it has a negative connotation because it's the English name for the book of the Bible that prophesies the end of the world. I don't really care what perceived religious undertones the word has. I just want people to start using it again! It's imbecilic, improper blather, and it needs to stop!

DONE. *Rage*

Unfortunately, "reveal" has been a noun for decades, if not centuries. It has strong traditions as a noun in architecture, literary analysis, and stage magicians. It's not "imbecilic, improper blather" but actually a perfectly correct and historically proven use for the word.

For an alleged grammar-Nazi, you probably should look at the dictionary and etymology of a word before you rant about it. Then go after the true enemy of grammar-Nazis everywhere, the misuse of punctuation.

 

[blankedboy]

?noun
3. an act or instance of revealing; revelation; disclosure.

Did you just kick OP's ass before not breaking those cuffs?
(six cookies for the reference)

 

[tavelkyosoba]

The use of "reveal" as a noun is almost as bad as the use of "effect" as a verb by business-school types.

What bugs me about that latter example is that the word "effect" as a verb is used where the word "cause" should be, literally confusing cause and effect!

That is a correct use of the verb to effect. To effect a change; to bring about a change; to cause a change to occur.

...affect.

you can affect change through actions, but change is the effect of your actions. get it?

"affect" is a verb.
"effect" is a noun.

People usually use "effect" for both because they don't know (or care) that there're actually two words with near-identical pronunciation conveying a similar meaning.

You should for seriously learn some grammarz if you're going to be a grammar nazi.

 

[RandomWords]

Why woundn't it not be a not verb thing? I think...

 

[zen5887]

At least it isn't as music used as Irony.

 

[Mordwyl]

It can't be as bad as the butchering of the word epic now, can it?

 

[Coldie]

...affect.

you can affect change through actions, but change is the effect of your actions. get it?

"affect" is a verb.
"effect" is a noun.

People usually use "effect" for both because they don't know (or care) that there're actually two words with near-identical pronunciation conveying a similar meaning.

You should for seriously learn some grammarz if you're going to be a grammar nazi.

There's more to the word "effect" than meets the eye. Less than one minute of actual research reveals the following:

"effect" as a verb: act so as to bring into existence;
"affect" as a verb: act physically on; have an effect upon; etc;

Spoiler: Differences in meaning

Effect is often confused with "affect". The latter is used to convey the influence over existing ideas, emotions and entities; the former indicates the manifestation of new or original ideas or entities:

* "...new governing coalitions have effected major changes" indicates that major changes were made as a result of new governing coalitions.
* "...new governing coalitions have affected major changes" indicates that before new governing coalitions, major changes were in place, and that the new governing coalitions had some influence over these existing changes.

Both words have legitimate uses as a verb, as well as a noun. Some of those are not as common as others, but that does not make them any less correct "grammarz"-y.

 

[Eisenfaust]

rightio then, lets just eliminate that word and every other new word that arrises... THEN lets go back and eliminate all the words shakespeare invented that are now part of common parlance... death to change!

*hysterical laughter*

I love it!! Brilliant idea!! Let's do it. Does anyone happen to have a medieval dictionary handy so we can figure out which words to strike out of existence?

well, it might not be a dictionary (and ignoring the obvious sarcasm) but:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15859_10-words-phrases-you-wont-believe-shakespeare-invented.html

at the very least

 

[Elle-Jai]

well, it might not be a dictionary (and ignoring the obvious sarcasm) but:

http://www.cracked.com/article_15859_10-words-phrases-you-wont-believe-shakespeare-invented.html

at the very least

No, really, can we? We could have an entire day of speaking nothing but "traditional English" and see how it worked out Or at the least, mess with everyone we know

 

[superbatranger]

While we're on the topic of words, here's a fun one: "trivial".

Oh. You're good. You're good.

OT: Language evolves over time. Meanings change. New words are made. Old words are lost.

 

[tavelkyosoba]

...affect.

you can affect change through actions, but change is the effect of your actions. get it?

"affect" is a verb.
"effect" is a noun.

People usually use "effect" for both because they don't know (or care) that there're actually two words with near-identical pronunciation conveying a similar meaning.

You should for seriously learn some grammarz if you're going to be a grammar nazi.

There's more to the word "effect" than meets the eye. Less than one minute of actual research reveals the following:

"effect" as a verb: act so as to bring into existence;
"affect" as a verb: act physically on; have an effect upon; etc;

Spoiler: Differences in meaning

Effect is often confused with "affect". The latter is used to convey the influence over existing ideas, emotions and entities; the former indicates the manifestation of new or original ideas or entities:

* "...new governing coalitions have effected major changes" indicates that major changes were made as a result of new governing coalitions.
* "...new governing coalitions have affected major changes" indicates that before new governing coalitions, major changes were in place, and that the new governing coalitions had some influence over these existing changes.

Both words have legitimate uses as a verb, as well as a noun. Some of those are not as common as others, but that does not make them any less correct "grammarz"-y.

Right, but I'd argue the differences are so nuanced you shouldn't really bother with the more obscure uses unless you're REALLY confident in your mad grammarz.

I assumed in my previous post that most people don't even know "affect" is a word, much less the subtle difference in meaning between the two. My apologies if I was wrong!

It's definitely a tricky one though. Kind of like "further" vs. "farther." Sure, one refers to physical distance and the other refers to abstract distance, but sometimes it's difficult to figure out if what you're talking about is a physical or abstract distance.

Like "I'm farther/further into the book than you." You could be talking about the distance into the physical media, or the distance into the abstract length of the story.


This is why I don't usually grammar nazi.