Smart-A$$ to authority

[newwiseman]

Was he being a tool? yes but answer me this is somebody can. Was there any reason to keep people from there homes if said crim was already located.

They said they thought he might have a weapon. Distance isn't everything, what were the sightlines from where the guy was hiding to the various houses?

I dont buy your story at all. If you were actually mouthing off to a cop especially in a situation like that you would have been taken down and arrested. With that many cops they would not ignore you breaking the law.

No laws broken I can legally sit where they say it's "safe" and ask them if they're going to go get doughnuts to bring me one.

You are being a serious distraction in a life threatening situation. I wouldn't be so sure they couldn't have charged you with something if they wanted.

And of course, as I said earlier, you telling them you had dangerous chemicals in your house, potentially for building weapons, was asking for a search of your house.

Perfect line of sight to where we were on the street, there was a whole duplex in the way of seeing that place from my own. It turns out they just wanted to use my parking space with out me "interfering" in police activity... Strange that the first thing smart assed I said was I could be quiet inside. And, while everyone is standing around doing nothing, waiting on the negotiator to get his ass there, an Assault in downtown Eugene got called in without police response... my tax dollars at work.

As for "dangerous" chemicals, not really. I keep a stock of aluminum, Iron Oxide, Potassium Chloride, sulfur, Ethanol, Lithium Chloride, Strontium chloride, Zinc, Calcium chloride, Sodium chloride, copper sulfate, copper chloride, magnesium, potassium sulfate, and potassium nitrate. I actually have a stockpile of most of the elements from the periodic table, too bad I cant afford a gallon jug of the precious metals. There really only dangerous if you know how to mix for a reaction, although the iron oxide is pretty damn flammable on its own.

As for what I do with it, chemistry duh. Though if you must know I have a BAFT license to make any 'explosive' I want up to one pound, hobbyist fireworks. As a requirement I have to pay them to inspect my work space once every couple of years. Because I don't have a suitable on site cache I can't keep anything that will actually explode without being mixed up on hand, and most of my fun is usually kept to around 1 ounce. Chemistry is one of the most fun and cheapest things you can do, most of what I work with is sold for less than 5$ a pound in town, and you can get it for less from chemistry suppliers online. I was told at my last inspection I don't even need the license anymore for what I'm doing.

The Railgun I built is probably the most dangerous thing in my home, when it's on, but only because the capacitor bank isn't shielded and can arc if your too close to it without discharging. I only got to do a full charge fire once, I had to rent the gun range for the day, they allow black powder guns there and this thing could set those off just charging up. It was underwhelming, only 700 feet per second, I want at least twice that, and the charge welded one of the steel ball barrings into the barrel.

I thought about trying out fusion for a while but I don't have the room for it, it's expensive, and I know I'm too lazy to properly shield a project like that.

 

[newwiseman]

It turns out they just wanted to use my parking space with out me "interfering" in police activity

That sounds like reason enough to me.

They should had said that when I first showed up instead of "For your own safety your not going to be able to enter your home tonight."

But then I wouldn't have just backed up to the curb, I would have demanded they either arrest me or get the out of my way. I've already filed my complaint.

 

[TheTim]

I understand you're reasoning for being upset, if it was me though, i probably would have just dealt with it silently, as i can't be a very vocally disrespectful person

i do find your comments amusing and clever though

 

[xXGeckoXx]

I don't really think what you've done is something to be proud of. Your response to a potentially fatal standoff is to whine about how you can't get into your house and then make things difficult for the people trying to resolve the situation?

You have more in common with the kids jacked up on candy than you'd probably like to think. Entitled, spoiled, petty, possessed of horribly skewed priorities, and just plain unpleasant.

Just go do something else for a while. 3 hours out of the house isn't going to hurt you.

I agree mcmullen.

I am a jackass to those who are jackasses to me but a guy holed up in a building with a gun is serious shit for police. If a guy goes in and the perp panics and shoots him would you prefer that. If the area was not secured and the perp got away or freaked out and started shooting would you like that better huh?

When the guy behind the desk at the gugenheim told me that I had to buy a ticket even though the museum was half closed to use the toilets I was an ass back but you are luck the police did not charge you with obstructing them.

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Let's assume they let you in your house, for whatever reason. What if the guy hiding in the attic manages to escape it, and find your house, maybe because you left your light on, maybe because he felt like it, unimportant details, and he decides to take you hostage. This scenario, unlikely as it might be, is still a concern for the Police Department, they have to make sure there isn't even the possibility of collateral damage.

For them, it was safer that you'd be sitting on the street, with them, so they could protect you more easily.

And, TBH, you being an ass doesn't help anyone, I understand that your day might have been long and hard and very tiresome, but that's no excuse to being annoying to other people who are also doing their long, hard and very tiresome work.

Making comments aloud isn't going to make work any harder for the 30 cops standing around outside...If I'm being forced to comply with stupid rules, I'm going to voice my opinion about them.

Besides, if the other houses weren't evacuated, but merely denied re-entry, your hypothetical situation is completely moot.

Are you sure? Have you ever tried to do YOUR JOB while some asshole made running commentary meant to either insult or distract you? What if you were running your mouth and the cop(s) missed a quiet but VERY IMPORTANT NOISE, like that of a gun being cocked, or orders being issued. I smoke pot and frequently break other minor laws, but if I was a cop that day, then BY GOD I would have arrested your punk ass for obstruction. Even if the charges didnt stick and I got a repremand for it, at the very least you would have been less of a distraction inside a squad car or back at the station.

Wow. I'm literally laughing aloud at the idea that you could hear a gun being cocked from outside, on the street, while around 30 fellow officers. You're also ignoring that there were actual officers inside the building in question. The officers outside were literally standing around, doing nothing but wasting tax-dollars.

Fine, it has become obvious that you are not going to allow yourself to be knocked off your pedastal of self-righteous indignation. The thing is the cops are hired to have the authority that they were using on the scene. You were not. Unless the cops were exercising a GROSS abuse of their power, which they were not, then it didnt matter what YOU thought was right or wrong. They had the authority, you did not, they had training and policy to follow in this specific situation, YOU DID NOT.

I advise you to be more careful about your rush to judgement in these situations. Karma could very well have you ignoring a police evacuation, only to have you succumb to a toxic gas cloud, or what have you, because you have stubbornly decided that you alone know better and you will damned well do what you want.

Once again I agree. I would also like to ask the OP just how well he personally knows what it is like to be an officer in a situation with a dangerous person. I would rather play it safe 1000 times than make one slip, police know that you can never judge people and that it only takes one bullet to cause serious harm.

 

[Laser Priest]

When I have to deal with authority, I do it by not treating them like scum.

You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of treating others decently, but at least consider trying it sometime.

 

[Benny Blanco]

OP, I live in the UK, where a lot of cops still don't have guns (although in London it's got a lot more common) and believe me when I say that antagonising the police is rarely a good idea.

I too am white, and have close-cropped hair, indicators which coupled with my build and tendency to wear sports clothing (to and from the gym/ training venue) mean that I fit a certain profile.

If I started mouthing off to our (famously polite and reasonable on a world law enforcement continuum) cops I might find myself mysteriously injured faster than you can say "fell down the stairs and banged his head on a radiator". Cops back each other up so you can be sure any CCTV would probably disappear. This is in London. In the US the police have more draconian powers and in the case of the SWAT teams they have fucking M4 rifles. One accidental discharge and your smart mouth is a pink mist, know what I mean? Even if they don't beat or kill you, they might decide to give you a cavity search, something which only a doctor can do here but which US cops reserve for particularly mouthy guys they don't like.

What's that? You weren't breaking the law? I beg to differ. If you drive there's a reasonably good chance a cop can find some reason your car is breaking the law and fine you for it. If you have the misfortune to live in an area which has asset forfeiture laws, they could take your car or even your house on the suspicion of criminal (especially drug-related) activity inside and more often than not the burden of proof is on you, not the local PD.

Even if none of the above apply, why do you have to be a dick to guys who routinely put themselves in the way of danger for a pretty meager paycheck? Even if you don't like them for whatever reason, isn't it better to keep a low profile? Or even to be nice?

I always give the police my best "law-abiding middle-class white-boy" shtick ("Good evening sir! Yes officer! No sir! I'm sorry officer! Won't happen again officer!") and I've never even had an official warning so far. (although in fairness I'm not exactly a menace to society) Treat people reasonably and they usually do the same. Sometimes cops get a bit boisterous but just act respectful (whether you are or not) and it usually placates the more power-mad ones.

 

[IamSofaKingRaw]

You're the f'n man. I would have stuck around just to hear that in person lol