Smash Bros. Director Justifies "Clone" Characters, Dismisses Complaints

[xaszatm]

Wow, I really hope something was lost in translation there, because if that's what he actually meant to say then Nintendo has officially joined the EA/Actiblizz/Ubi "oh my fucking god muzzle your insufferable asshole higher ups so they stop saying stupid shit and pissing off the community" club.

As for Smash, I'm waiting for the all clear from the community that its not as shit as Brawl before I have even a peripheral interest.

I do think it is accurate. And you know what? I get why he has this attitude. Smash fans are insane. Look at all these people on this thread screaming that the clone characters somehow took the place of characters like that's how game development works. Look at the outrage over Ridley not being a playable character (why the hell do people want Ridley anyways?), the idiotic hatred because the Ice Climbers isn't in, over every cut character like he somehow MUST do everything in the limited time frame. Most fighting game communities aren't this insane.

 

[DrOswald]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

And you have no idea how games are made. Clone characters are created to eat up excessive resources at the art department. You can't just tell an artist to go be a game designer or a programmer. This is the whole point of what Sakurai was saying - resources that otherwise would have completely gone to waste were instead effectively managed to give a small bonus to the purchaser. It was clone characters or nothing. That is your choice. Are you really going to say it would have been better to get literally nothing instead of these 3 clone characters?

 

[VincentX3]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

...And, that's screwing you over? The only true clone character is Dark Pit. Dr. Mario is literally Melee Mario making him different from 3DS Mario, Lucina's blade actually completely changes how she plays compared to Marth, Gannondof now has a viable playstyle compared to Captain Falcon. No, seriously, how is this screwing you over? Who do you play as?

Now your getting the wrong idea.

1) Clone characters no matter what the game, are never really accepted. It always stood for being a lazy copy paste job with a different skin (And in this case some very minor actual differences)

2) The wording on Nintendo's part and comparing games to food. Yea no, enough said.

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

And you have no idea how games are made. Clone characters are created to eat up excessive resources at the art department. You can't just tell an artist to go be a game designer or a programmer. This is the whole point of what Sakurai was saying - resources that otherwise would have completely gone to waste were instead effectively managed to give a small bonus to the purchaser. It was clone characters or nothing. That is your choice. Are you really going to say it would have been better to get literally nothing instead of these 3 clone characters?

I'm not saying I'd prefer nothing. I did say that I'd prefer those "excessive resources" to be used in a more constructive manner, improving the games overall quality instead of getting 3 new skins.

 

[DrOswald]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

...And, that's screwing you over? The only true clone character is Dark Pit. Dr. Mario is literally Melee Mario making him different from 3DS Mario, Lucina's blade actually completely changes how she plays compared to Marth, Gannondof now has a viable playstyle compared to Captain Falcon. No, seriously, how is this screwing you over? Who do you play as?

Now your getting the wrong idea.

1) Clone characters no matter what the game, are never really accepted. It always stood for being a lazy copy paste job with a different skin (And in this case some very minor actual differences)

2) The wording on Nintendo's part and comparing games to food. Yea no, enough said.

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

And you have no idea how games are made. Clone characters are created to eat up excessive resources at the art department. You can't just tell an artist to go be a game designer or a programmer. This is the whole point of what Sakurai was saying - resources that otherwise would have completely gone to waste were instead effectively managed to give a small bonus to the purchaser. It was clone characters or nothing. That is your choice. Are you really going to say it would have been better to get literally nothing instead of these 3 clone characters?

I'm not saying I'd prefer nothing. I did say that I'd prefer those "excessive resources" to be used in a more constructive manner, improving the games overall quality instead of getting 3 new skins.

And how else would they use up excessive ART resources besides adding new art content?

 

[Story]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

...And, that's screwing you over? The only true clone character is Dark Pit. Dr. Mario is literally Melee Mario making him different from 3DS Mario, Lucina's blade actually completely changes how she plays compared to Marth, Gannondof now has a viable playstyle compared to Captain Falcon. No, seriously, how is this screwing you over? Who do you play as?

I know this is a little nit-pick, but Dark Pitt is pretty different from Pitt in that he deals more damage, but has less knock back. His Final Smash is like Zelda/Shiek's
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Dark_Pit_(SSB4)

I agree with you completely, for the record.

 

[xaszatm]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

...And, that's screwing you over? The only true clone character is Dark Pit. Dr. Mario is literally Melee Mario making him different from 3DS Mario, Lucina's blade actually completely changes how she plays compared to Marth, Gannondof now has a viable playstyle compared to Captain Falcon. No, seriously, how is this screwing you over? Who do you play as?

Now your getting the wrong idea.

1) Clone characters no matter what the game, are never really accepted. It always stood for being a lazy copy paste job with a different skin (And in this case some very minor actual differences)

2) The wording on Nintendo's part and comparing games to food. Yea no, enough said.

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

And you have no idea how games are made. Clone characters are created to eat up excessive resources at the art department. You can't just tell an artist to go be a game designer or a programmer. This is the whole point of what Sakurai was saying - resources that otherwise would have completely gone to waste were instead effectively managed to give a small bonus to the purchaser. It was clone characters or nothing. That is your choice. Are you really going to say it would have been better to get literally nothing instead of these 3 clone characters?

I'm not saying I'd prefer nothing. I did say that I'd prefer those "excessive resources" to be used in a more constructive manner, improving the games overall quality instead of getting 3 new skins.

1. Fine, you can call it lazy. I can call it managing to squeeze three characters (two of which were heavily requested by fans) into the game before the deadline.

2. You are being too offended over the food analogy. It isn't like he's saying people are starving. He's talking about a free luxurious meal. That doesn't sound like he's saying you need the food to survive. If you can eat in such a place, you're probably not starving.

How would they "improve" the game's quality? Have you seen how different the game plays compared to the other Smash games?

 

[VincentX3]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

...And, that's screwing you over? The only true clone character is Dark Pit. Dr. Mario is literally Melee Mario making him different from 3DS Mario, Lucina's blade actually completely changes how she plays compared to Marth, Gannondof now has a viable playstyle compared to Captain Falcon. No, seriously, how is this screwing you over? Who do you play as?

Now your getting the wrong idea.

1) Clone characters no matter what the game, are never really accepted. It always stood for being a lazy copy paste job with a different skin (And in this case some very minor actual differences)

2) The wording on Nintendo's part and comparing games to food. Yea no, enough said.

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

And you have no idea how games are made. Clone characters are created to eat up excessive resources at the art department. You can't just tell an artist to go be a game designer or a programmer. This is the whole point of what Sakurai was saying - resources that otherwise would have completely gone to waste were instead effectively managed to give a small bonus to the purchaser. It was clone characters or nothing. That is your choice. Are you really going to say it would have been better to get literally nothing instead of these 3 clone characters?

I'm not saying I'd prefer nothing. I did say that I'd prefer those "excessive resources" to be used in a more constructive manner, improving the games overall quality instead of getting 3 new skins.

And how else would they use up excessive ART resources besides adding new art content?

Lets see....

- More\Extra Animations per charterer
- Extra polish to 3D assets and objects
- Better overall lighting quality

In the end it's my opinion, but I'd rather have each individual to have extra animations for example (So the same attack wont look as repetitive) and a bit more polish than 3 new skins.

 

[xaszatm]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

...And, that's screwing you over? The only true clone character is Dark Pit. Dr. Mario is literally Melee Mario making him different from 3DS Mario, Lucina's blade actually completely changes how she plays compared to Marth, Gannondof now has a viable playstyle compared to Captain Falcon. No, seriously, how is this screwing you over? Who do you play as?

I know this is a little nit-pick, but Dark Pitt is pretty different from Pitt in that he deals more damage, but has less knock back. His Final Smash is like Zelda/Shiek's
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Dark_Pit_(SSB4)

I agree with you completely, for the record.

Oh, I meant from an artistic standpoint. Gameplay wise, he does play differently, but the art for him really is just Pit with angry eyes. I mean, even Dr. Mario got a different outfit to go along with him.

 

[xaszatm]

- More\Extra Animations per charterer
- Extra polish to 3D assets and objects
- Better overall lighting quality

In the end it's my opinion, but I'd rather have each individual to have extra animations for example (So the same attack wont look as repetitive) and a bit more polish than 3 new skins.

...You've never played a fighting game before have you? Attack animations NEED to be the same, especially in Smash where you use the animations as a cue to how to play using advanced techniques. It also shows what dynamic the opponent is in. Having each attack having multiple animations would be more idiotic than having three "clone" characters.

 

[DrOswald]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

...And, that's screwing you over? The only true clone character is Dark Pit. Dr. Mario is literally Melee Mario making him different from 3DS Mario, Lucina's blade actually completely changes how she plays compared to Marth, Gannondof now has a viable playstyle compared to Captain Falcon. No, seriously, how is this screwing you over? Who do you play as?

Now your getting the wrong idea.

1) Clone characters no matter what the game, are never really accepted. It always stood for being a lazy copy paste job with a different skin (And in this case some very minor actual differences)

2) The wording on Nintendo's part and comparing games to food. Yea no, enough said.

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

And you have no idea how games are made. Clone characters are created to eat up excessive resources at the art department. You can't just tell an artist to go be a game designer or a programmer. This is the whole point of what Sakurai was saying - resources that otherwise would have completely gone to waste were instead effectively managed to give a small bonus to the purchaser. It was clone characters or nothing. That is your choice. Are you really going to say it would have been better to get literally nothing instead of these 3 clone characters?

I'm not saying I'd prefer nothing. I did say that I'd prefer those "excessive resources" to be used in a more constructive manner, improving the games overall quality instead of getting 3 new skins.

And how else would they use up excessive ART resources besides adding new art content?

Lets see....

- More\Extra Animations per charterer
- Extra polish to 3D assets and objects
- Better overall lighting quality

In the end it's my opinion, but I'd rather have each individual to have extra animations for example (So the same attack wont look as repetitive) and a bit more polish than 3 new skins.

And that is a reasonable position. Of course, we don't know the internal work flows of the smash team (it may have been inefficient to do it your way, for example), and I actually think the alternate animations idea is a really, really terrible one, but that's opinions and all that. I'm glad we could get you from "F**K YOU NINTENDO, I HATE YOU FOR GIVING ME FREE THINGS" to "I would have preferred you polish existing resources instead of creating new ones."

 

[VincentX3]

- More\Extra Animations per charterer
- Extra polish to 3D assets and objects
- Better overall lighting quality

In the end it's my opinion, but I'd rather have each individual to have extra animations for example (So the same attack wont look as repetitive) and a bit more polish than 3 new skins.

...You've never played a fighting game before have you? Attack animations NEED to be the same, especially in Smash where you use the animations as a cue to how to play using advanced techniques. It also shows what dynamic the opponent is in. Having each attack having multiple animations would be more idiotic than having three "clone" characters.

And then there's this guy..

I'd gave examples of what Art resources can also go into other than 3D skins.
As for the animations it really depends on how you make them, if link grabs a bomb with his left hand rather than his right (Non depending on which way your facing) will that really "throw off your game"?

In this case subtle differences to make each character feel more alive plus the rest of things that I've stated would have worked just as well.

 

[VincentX3]

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

...And, that's screwing you over? The only true clone character is Dark Pit. Dr. Mario is literally Melee Mario making him different from 3DS Mario, Lucina's blade actually completely changes how she plays compared to Marth, Gannondof now has a viable playstyle compared to Captain Falcon. No, seriously, how is this screwing you over? Who do you play as?

Now your getting the wrong idea.

1) Clone characters no matter what the game, are never really accepted. It always stood for being a lazy copy paste job with a different skin (And in this case some very minor actual differences)

2) The wording on Nintendo's part and comparing games to food. Yea no, enough said.

Thing is you would expect a decent dessert or at least to be on par with the meal you just ate.
Not a piece of shit after a gourmet dinner :l Dont care if it's free, shit is still shit.

ALSO REALLY!? COMPARING GAMES TO FOOD NOW?

F**K YOU EA... oh wait...

Sorry I'm so used to EA being the one's screwing people over.

*Ahem*

F**k you and your shitty restaurant then Nintendo.

I'm sorry, but how Nintendo screwing people over here? Your options were these three clones or NOTHING. It's isn't like Ridley, Mewtwo, and Wolf were cut to replace them. And I understand why he snapped. Smash fans are some of the most obnoxious, entitled fans out there just behind Sonic, Final Fantasy, and Zelda fans.

Besides, this also could be what he picked up when he visited Platinum Games.

Simple fact, more isn't always better.

If I had to choose between 3 Clone charterers or dedicating that little bit more of resources and man hours to make the game better and more balanced, I would pick the latter.

And you have no idea how games are made. Clone characters are created to eat up excessive resources at the art department. You can't just tell an artist to go be a game designer or a programmer. This is the whole point of what Sakurai was saying - resources that otherwise would have completely gone to waste were instead effectively managed to give a small bonus to the purchaser. It was clone characters or nothing. That is your choice. Are you really going to say it would have been better to get literally nothing instead of these 3 clone characters?

I'm not saying I'd prefer nothing. I did say that I'd prefer those "excessive resources" to be used in a more constructive manner, improving the games overall quality instead of getting 3 new skins.

And how else would they use up excessive ART resources besides adding new art content?

Lets see....

- More\Extra Animations per charterer
- Extra polish to 3D assets and objects
- Better overall lighting quality

In the end it's my opinion, but I'd rather have each individual to have extra animations for example (So the same attack wont look as repetitive) and a bit more polish than 3 new skins.

And that is a reasonable position. Of course, we don't know the internal work flows of the smash team (it may have been inefficient to do it your way, for example), and I actually think the alternate animations idea is a really, really terrible one, but that's opinions and all that. I'm glad we could get you from "F**K YOU NINTENDO, I HATE YOU FOR GIVING ME FREE THINGS" to "I would have preferred you polish existing resources instead of creating new ones."

True, I may have over-reacted in my first post a bit. It wasn't the "free things" it was mostly the bad comparasion and wording on Nintendo's part that really bugged me.

Like one guy said before:

"This is like a free dessert after a luxurious meal that was prepared free of charge. In a restaurant with this type of service, I don't think there's anybody who would say, 'Change this to a meat dish!!'" - except the meal wasn't free, i paid £40 for it, dessert included: When i paid for that game, i paid for everything in it, including re-skins

It wouldn't have killed them just to flat out say "We made these 3 characters because..." than to make an over the top food analogy.

 

[Olas]

yet several new "clone" characters, such as Dr. Mario and Dark Pit, had been added instead.

Um, sorry (pushes glasses back up nose), but Dr. Mario was already available as a clone of Mario in Melee, a game which had tons of clone characters by the way but was still highly regarded. This was of course back before gamers got so uptight over everything that they started complaining about additional features being added to their game for free.

 

[Atmos Duality]

The only clone I have a problem with is Dark Pit. He's an uninspiring side character from one game who's only in Smash because because Masahiro Sakurai worked on said game. I know technically DP doesn't take up a slot but I just feel the time spent on him could have been spent on creating another clone with a bit more personality such as Alph, Dark Samus (Samus), Ridley (Charizard), or bringing back Lucas or Wolf. Lets face it though if Sakurai hadn't been the one to create Dark Pit, then Dark Pit would not have been in.

That's exactly my feelings on the matter.

I much prefer Lucina to Marth, and Dr. Mario has enough individual flavor to make up for his being a clone.

Yet Dark Pit is simply the laziest, most boring clone of them all, in any Smash Bros game
He's a literal reskin with a nearly identical moveset and not in any really interesting way.
Now, I don't hate his character. He was fine for what he had to be in KI: Uprising.

Perhaps the man-hours weren't there given the metric shitload of other things they put into the game.
But that still doesn't stop me from thinking "Why not Magnus?" every time I see Dark Pit on the roster.
(Magnus was even playable for a short time in KI: Uprising, which is just salt in the wound)


OTHER POINTS:

I'd love to see the return of Lucas and Wolf; two of the few bright points of Brawl (IMO). Wolf was more of a bruiser style Fox, and Lucas just had a more fun moveset all round (A and B moves).

Snake is a lost cause, but Nintendo can't really do anything about it on account of character rights.

As awesome as Ridley would be I'm quite content with Charizard as my "Rawr, I'm a dragon, sorta" character.

Though I will concede that Metroid could stand to include some more representation than Samus and...Samus.
But what characters to represent? (besides Ridley)
The isolating nature of the Metroid games kinda negates that sort of character design.
I guess they could pull from Metroid Prime: Hunters, but that'd be quite a stretch.

(maybe if they decided to revisit those characters in a new Metroid game as part of a promo similar to how they include token characters from the latest Fire Emblem and Pokemon games, but the odds of that happening are close to nil given how badly the last Metroid game did; which is to say nothing of Metroid's current stigma relative to Nintendo's other franchises.
Being viewed as "more western" is not a good trait to have in Japan's very domestic-centric media market right now)

Overall, I'm not mad at the roster choices. It's varied, diverse, and plays INFINITELY BETTER than Brawl.
So...yeah, the criticism is valid and Sakurai could afford to be less defensive, but the game is really great and I'm not losing any sleep over it.

 

[Covarr]

None of these clone characters bother me. It's a nice, low-cost solution to pad the roster.

You know what does bother me? Falco. He's different enough from Fox that he clearly did cost more to make, but that same cost would've been better put toward Wolf.

P.S. Thanks

 

[fhmy]

You know the drill guys: new Sakurai interview, new shitstorm.

I agree with him actually. Just remember these characters were getting in the game, clones or otherwise.

 

[Burnouts3s3]

I play games based on anime properties so 'clone' characters aren't really a big deal for me.

For example, in Naruto Shippuden: Ninja Storm 3 (I think), I can play Sage Naruto vs. Six Paths Naruto. I never had a problem with this before.

 

[Hero of Lime]

I don't mind clones, as long as they make sense. My biggest problem is that Ganondorf still does not have a unique move set. When you think about it, it's very messed up that an evil sorcerer/swordsman has the moves of a race car driver. :/

 

[xPixelatedx]

Considering Nintendo's situation in a distant third they could be less arrogant and give fans what they want.

It wasn't Nintendo, trust me this guy speaks for himself and just does what he wants.

He really should have tried to put it better.

This is pretty tame for him. He's often telling fans to outright **** off right on his twitter. He is notoriously hostile, and many people have even given him the title of "Japanese Phil Fish".

Considering how sensitive Nintendo is about the smallest things that relate to "edge", I just don't think they know he's conducting himself this way, otherwise they might have tried to get someone more stable to make Smash by now.

 

[xaszatm]

Considering Nintendo's situation in a distant third they could be less arrogant and give fans what they want.

It wasn't Nintendo, trust me this guy speaks for himself and just does what he wants.

He really should have tried to put it better.

This is pretty tame for him. He's often telling fans to outright **** off right on his twitter. He is notoriously hostile, and many people have even given him the title of "Japanese Phil Fish".

Considering how sensitive Nintendo is about the smallest things that relate to "edge", I just don't think they know he's conducting himself this way, otherwise they might have tried to get someone more stable to make Smash by now.

...are you sure you're not confusing Sakurai with Kamiya? Kamiya's the one who's batsh*t insane/awesome on twitter. I know Sakurai eventually stopped twitter because anytime he tweeted a game he liked, he was bombarded with Smash questions, but really?