firing a hard working guy is cold regardless of season. just because you have a personal celebration (christmas) that it seems to be marketed way too much does not mean everyone should magically abide by stupid traditions.Mekado said:
So, 2 people got fired at my work today
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I feel like, without knowing the whole of the information that informed the decision, it would be hard to make a snap-judgement about it. Maybe that's a little heartless, but I think its probably correct to assume there's more to it than we know right now. Maybe he was stealing pencils. And got fired cos otherwise he'd steal more pencils. ...we don't know. Well, maybe you do. But I don't think you
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Full time workers can be the absolute bane to temps. One practice I find infuriating is when they pull temps off of their assigned tasks to help them with some trivial matter they could have done themselves, you either help them and get in trouble for not meeting your own quotas or you refuse and get in trouble for not being a "team player".Nerexor said:
He was a complete fucking bastard to fire the second guy. Seriously, I don't know how you all witnessed that and managed to resist the urge to tear the asshole's limbs off one by one. Better people than me, I suppose.
And the first guy...he's still a bit of a dick. This is just the kind of shit you don't do. Hell, it's been going on for that long, why couldn't the first guy have been fired earlier? Give him a chance to find another job before the festive season?
People can say what they want about business being business and it being nothing personal, but look at the situation we're in globally. This is what that approach of never thinking of your employees and your customers as people gets us. These heartless bastards have had their turn in control, and fucked it up royally. Time for people to start taking some responsibility, or face being forced to.
And the first guy...he's still a bit of a dick. This is just the kind of shit you don't do. Hell, it's been going on for that long, why couldn't the first guy have been fired earlier? Give him a chance to find another job before the festive season?
People can say what they want about business being business and it being nothing personal, but look at the situation we're in globally. This is what that approach of never thinking of your employees and your customers as people gets us. These heartless bastards have had their turn in control, and fucked it up royally. Time for people to start taking some responsibility, or face being forced to.
Then again, Christmas is sort of a hard time to go looking for a job. Not that it can't be done, but many people take days off. You, know, like people looking at CVs, doing interviews, making decisions who to hire and so on. And the kicker is, that it's likely they get different days off, so it takes even longer to process an applicant.Strazdas said:
He answers to the accountant.Mekado said:
It really doesn't matter how senior you are or what time of year it is, if the accountant says two people have to go, two people have to go. Fat lot of good being a nice guy is if it runs you out of business and all fifty people end up without a job.
The problem with accountants is that sometimes they forget that while letting two people off might balance the bottom line, it may still cause the remaining staff to have to be at two places at the same time since work still needs to be done.fix-the-spade said:
The paper can take everything, but looking at a business purely through numbers is recipe for disaster without the understanding why and how those numbers roll in.
This. Also, "last one in, first one out" is usually standard in this sort of situation. Lazy guy got all he deserved though.fix-the-spade said:
Were I work, people get laid off in November, or i should say end of November, I though it was company policy but apparently its a law in Canada were as a company cannot lay off anyone during December. You can still be fired if you don't do your job or steal. Personally was unaware of that fact, usually been fired or quit my jobs, have yet to been laid off yet. And so far survived several company lay offs in the 4 years I've been with the company.
Last year, I was still in school, so my boss was counting down the days when I would be unleashed for winter "vacation" (vacation...LOL. I worked all that time for as many as 10 hours per day those weeks). He told me one of my co-workers would be out the door as soon as I'm able to work typical days. He got mad at her for a lot of things, like talking to her mom when she was supposed to be monitoring surgery, not keeping up on inventories, and ruining an entire box of x-ray film. Still, it seemed kinda back-handed to do it a week (or a few days, can't remember when it was) before Christmas. He also expected me to keep it a secret for about 2 weeks (really shitty) until I was finally out and he did it at the end of her shift.
Also, depending on where you live that can be claimed as a business expense against tax. i.e. the money would have gone to the taxman if it hadn't been spent on that, or some other business "necessity".Mekado said:
Whilst I have always thought that a companies pay structure ought to be dictated by a multiple (say x20) of the lowest paid person in the business, I think that attitude is a bit much.Alandoril said:
A person in a unique position in an organisation has more scope for negotiation than someone in a not unique position. Like, lets say you work in a call centre and the person next to you is a balshy little shit. Lets say he makes a lot of bad noise and you've got a weak manager so they give him a pay rise, wouldn't you feel agreived if they didn't give you a pay rise as well?
What if he was balshy and better than you though? What if he worked harder? That would be his argument, after all.
It's never as straightforward as we thing or would like it to be.
I hope you're joking, either that or you've never done temp work before. Temp quotas are specifically designed to be pretty much exactly what you can possibly achieve if you spend every minute of the work day on a single task. And that's if you're fortunate, if not it will always be deliberately just a little bit more than you can do so the supervisor can constantly get on your case and guilt you into working during your breaks. As for being noticed by the top, temps are completely invisible to the executive level.Strazdas said:or help them and get your own quotas and the guy at the top notices you. chaThat Hyena Bloke said:
To be honest from my experience working, the reasons that the staff hear for a firing is at best 10-20% of the entire reason, and at worst a total lie to either protect A. The company or B. The departing employees reputation.Mekado said:
I don't know where the accountants you know were trained, I went through accounting degree at McGill university, and am currently about 3/4 of the way through professional accounting designation program, and since our very first class it's been pounded into our heads that qualitative have to be weighed proportionally against quantitative results.Vegosiux said:
That may be policy at your company, or an obscure provincial law I don't know about, but there's no national law saying you can't be fired in December like you could be in any other month.supermanNBC said:
Well your credentials notwithstanding, "qualitative results have to be weighed proportionally against quantitative results" sounds just vague enough to me that it seems like a cop-out that has so much room for interpretation it might as well have not been said at all.Psykoma said:
I'm not saying accountants are a bunch of callous codgers sweeping toy soldiers (or workers) into the waste basket for lulz, but I am saying that they can and some of them do lose perspective. Absorbing information at the university is one thing, but the world out there doesn't always play nice with our rules.