So... "A Wrinkle in Time"...

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I *so* wanted this movie to be good.

It's not. It's really, really not.

It's a movie full of set-pieces that are supposed to present spectacle that can't get over its love of close-ups and quick cutting to just show it.

It's a movie that tries to tell the audience what to feel by swelling the music and having all the characters go "Oh!" and "Wow!" rather than actually doing the work to make them feel awe. (Or joy, or sadness, or fear, or...)

It's a movie where a character is close enough to another character to be touched in one shot and then completely on the other side of the room in another. (And I'm not usually the "continuity jerk" who gets off on yelling how the bracelet was on the girl's other wrist; it's just really glaring in a couple of scenes.)

It picks up a little when it finally gets to Camazotz, mostly because the need to move plot precludes some of the more aggravating stylistic tendencies; it even has a couple of visually interesting set pieces.

But whole characters are wasted. Calvin is given nothing to do but play sucker and victim. Meg is supposed to be a genius because she mutters science buzzwords under her breath like a Star Trek engineer. Her father spends half his time on screen apologizing. Mrs. Whatsit insults Meg for asking perfectly reasonable questions in ways that would take less time to just answer.

And good God, so much exposition... I want to make everyone responsible for the bones of this movie stand in front of a blackboard and write "Show us, don't tell us" a hundred times.

I'm sorry, Madeline L'Engle... They blew it. And I can honestly only hope that, against all expectations, the box office will show them that bungling like this isn't okay, because this movie deserved better. I'm not even a hardcore "they screwed up my favorite book" person, they just... made a bad movie. And they didn't have to. And it's a shame.
 

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That's a real bugger. I was hoping the series was going to be well done because it has a fair amount of potential.
Hopefully at the very least it's sparked new interest in the series.
 

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I'm going to go see it in a month, when it comes to Swedish movie theaters, but I don't have high hopes. Even the positive reviews tend to say that it's too preachy.
 
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Just read the book. The movie could never hope to do it justice, even if it were well made, well considered and faithfully adapted. It's a children's/YA's classic and not even that big a read.
 

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I've never read the book myself, never watched the trailers and judging the film on its own after just seeing it, wow, what a waste. Visually interesting despite being empty, a good performance by Storm Reid as the lead and one great scene between her character and the father played by Chris Pine aside. Other than that, its the most cliched, by the book and generic fantasy film I've seen in a while. Not helped by plot holes, bland and one dimensional characters, really bad acting and waste of a decent premise.
 

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Callate said:
I'm sorry, Madeline L'Engle... They blew it.
See now, I don't know that they did. I've not yet seen the film but I read that book when I was 10 and don't think it was all that good. Granted I am a guy and it does fall into the girls book category so take everything I have to say with a grain of salt.

Lemme dredge back 25 years and .....

Meg is pretty good. She is determined but not troperiffic like a modern day female protagonist. She's smart, quick in her decision-making but does no real fighting nor is it ever hinted that she has any potential skills in that department at all. You hear all the unfiltered thoughts from her mind, even those toxic, deep-down-awful ones we all have and this makes her interesting.

Charles Wallace is just the worst. Somehow he is slightly more tolerable when
he goes temporarily evil.

Kevin (or Calvin, I forget, lets just call him "Mr. Hottest-boy-in-class") doesn't do much and seems to exist only because girl's book.
 

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Hey, I have terrible news, OP. You're extremely racist. Probably Hitler. Everyone who doesn't like this movie is racist and fascist and bassist. That's coming straight from the director.

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/a-wrinkle-in-time-director-ava-duvernay-uses-racism-to-explain-away-bad-reviews/
 

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Brian Jay said:
Hey, I have terrible news, OP. You're extremely racist. Probably Hitler. Everyone who doesn't like this movie is racist and fascist and bassist. That's coming straight from the director.

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/a-wrinkle-in-time-director-ava-duvernay-uses-racism-to-explain-away-bad-reviews/

Ah liberal Hollywood, please never change.
 

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Brian Jay said:
Hey, I have terrible news, OP. You're extremely racist. Probably Hitler. Everyone who doesn't like this movie is racist and fascist and bassist. That's coming straight from the director.

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/a-wrinkle-in-time-director-ava-duvernay-uses-racism-to-explain-away-bad-reviews/
I don't blame the director for trying to put a positive spin on the reception of her movie, even if the way she does so smacks somewhat of a persecution complex. At least she doesn't seem to have explicitly attacked those who didn't like her movie for racism or sexism. Residing in an echo chamber is nothing new on the Internet.

That Wrinkle's negative critical reception is being used as an excuse for the "need" for an all-female critical alternative to Rotten Tomatoes ([link]https://qz.com/1228935/a-rotten-tomatoes-alternative-called-cherrypicks-emerges-for-female-critics/[/link]), on the other hand... Wow. Way to simultaneously dismiss male critics and devalue female ones.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
And the director of this movie is gonna be directing DC's New Gods movie.

Fuck...
Looking at Ava DuVernay's film record, the poor response to Wrinkle is the exception rather than the rule.

Even that aside, hate to break it to you, but the DCEU isn't exactly a bastion of quality (and this is coming from someone who's far more partial to it than many others).

Edit: Holy shit, this means that the DCEU has 23 films now in various stages of development.

TWENTY-THREE.
 

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Hawki said:
Samtemdo8 said:
And the director of this movie is gonna be directing DC's New Gods movie.

Fuck...


Even that aside, hate to break it to you, but the DCEU isn't exactly a bastion of quality (and this is coming from someone who's far more partial to it than many others).

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I know that. And its now worse with her.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
And the director of this movie is gonna be directing DC's New Gods movie.

Fuck...

I mean she did great with Selma, but this woman should not work on big budget films at all after watching A Wrinkle in Time. I know she needs a better screenwriter, but honestly I don't think she knows how to direct people around a green screen set.

Seriously DC, why the fuck would you give a film to one of your most important storylines in the entire DC mythos to her?
 

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Hawki said:
Samtemdo8 said:
And the director of this movie is gonna be directing DC's New Gods movie.

Fuck...
Looking at Ava DuVernay's film record, the poor response to Wrinkle is the exception rather than the rule.

Even that aside, hate to break it to you, but the DCEU isn't exactly a bastion of quality (and this is coming from someone who's far more partial to it than many others).

Edit: Holy shit, this means that the DCEU has 23 films now in various stages of development.

TWENTY-THREE.

Christ, I thought Star Wars was making way too much. DC's film group is the definition of "stop rushing and slow the fuck down."
 

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Most media coverage of this that I've read was "BLACK WOMAN DIRECTING! FIRST TIME EVER FOR A BLACK WOMAN! DID YOU HEAR THAT A BLACK WOMAN IS DIRECTING?"
With that being the core of the marketing, you now the movie itself is garbage.

I was hoping that the Ghostbusters remake would teach Hollywood not to blame the failure of their products on racism/sexism.
The Star Wars brand is in decline right now because of the same type of behavior.
Rather than admitting you've made a bad movie, just blame the people who pay to see it and target specific demographics.
A recipe for success.

Also, hiring Oprah to be in your movie... big mistake.
 

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Vanilla ISIS said:
Most media coverage of this that I've read was "BLACK WOMAN DIRECTING! FIRST TIME EVER FOR A BLACK WOMAN! DID YOU HEAR THAT A BLACK WOMAN IS DIRECTING?"
With that being the core of the marketing, you now the movie itself is garbage.
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but the only marketing I've seen for the movie here is the trailers. Trailers that make me ask "what the heck is this even about?", but trailers nonetheless.

Vanilla ISIS said:
I was hoping that the Ghostbusters remake would teach Hollywood not to blame the failure of their products on racism/sexism.
Define failure. Commercial failure? Yes. Critical failure? Not really.

And Ghostbusters was marred by racism/sexism. I'm not saying that disliking the film makes you a racist/sexist, and its commercial failure can't be laid entirely at the feet of that, but it's a fact that there was absolutely disgusting behaviour coming from various corners of the Internet at the time.

Vanilla ISIS said:
The Star Wars brand is in decline right now because of the same type of behavior.
News to me. I'll grant you that Last Jedi is divisive, but it's still a critical and commercial success (at this time of writing, it's the 9th highest grossing film of all time). So while that's down from TFA, it's still above Rogue One, and all three films are well over the $1 billion gross mark. And likewise, a lot of the backlash has taken on racist/sexist tones. Again, there's plenty of reasons to dislike The Last Jedi, but again, the Internet has proven that it can be an absolute cesspool.
 

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Hawki said:
Vanilla ISIS said:
Most media coverage of this that I've read was "BLACK WOMAN DIRECTING! FIRST TIME EVER FOR A BLACK WOMAN! DID YOU HEAR THAT A BLACK WOMAN IS DIRECTING?"
With that being the core of the marketing, you now the movie itself is garbage.
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but the only marketing I've seen for the movie here is the trailers. Trailers that make me ask "what the heck is this even about?", but trailers nonetheless.

Vanilla ISIS said:
I was hoping that the Ghostbusters remake would teach Hollywood not to blame the failure of their products on racism/sexism.
Define failure. Commercial failure? Yes. Critical failure? Not really.

And Ghostbusters was marred by racism/sexism. I'm not saying that disliking the film makes you a racist/sexist, and its commercial failure can't be laid entirely at the feet of that, but it's a fact that there was absolutely disgusting behaviour coming from various corners of the Internet at the time.

Vanilla ISIS said:
The Star Wars brand is in decline right now because of the same type of behavior.
News to me. I'll grant you that Last Jedi is divisive, but it's still a critical and commercial success (at this time of writing, it's the 9th highest grossing film of all time). So while that's down from TFA, it's still above Rogue One, and all three films are well over the $1 billion gross mark. And likewise, a lot of the backlash has taken on racist/sexist tones. Again, there's plenty of reasons to dislike The Last Jedi, but again, the Internet has proven that it can be an absolute cesspool.


Don't get me started. Every time I try to be honest in saying why I liked the Last Jedi, I keep seeing so many people yelling about it to the point that its a pain to be optimistic
 

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Natemans said:
Don't get me started. Every time I try to be honest in saying why I liked the Last Jedi, I keep seeing so many people yelling about it to the point that its a pain to be optimistic
True. That's pretty true of a lot of things - it's harder to like something and be the minority, than dislike something and be in the minority. Least in my experience. Still, Last Jedi seems to be more down the middle for general audiences than either side having a clear majority, but still, the experience remains.

Course, according to some people, if you DO like Last Jedi, you're either a:

a) SJW
b) Disney shrill
c) Three years old
d) Not a true Star Wars fan
e) All of the above
 

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Hawki said:
Natemans said:
Don't get me started. Every time I try to be honest in saying why I liked the Last Jedi, I keep seeing so many people yelling about it to the point that its a pain to be optimistic
True. That's pretty true of a lot of things - it's harder to like something and be the minority, than dislike something and be in the minority. Least in my experience. Still, Last Jedi seems to be more down the middle for general audiences than either side having a clear majority, but still, the experience remains.

Course, according to some people, if you DO like Last Jedi, you're either a:

a) SJW
b) Disney shrill
c) Three years old
d) Not a true Star Wars fan
e) All of the above

I've been called a, b and d when I admitted to liking TFA surprisingly.