There aren't particularly large numbers of Muslims emigrating to Europe either, but don't let that stop you.The Lunatic said:
So apparently JonTron is a racist
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You know it's funny, last year it was easy as hell to find information on it like this [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/23/poor-white-kids-are-less-likely-to-go-to-prison-than-rich-black-kids/], and today it takes using a different combination of words about two dozen tries to not find the near totality being a combination of blogs and fake news talking about JonTron.Dejawesp said:
I want to believe it's a case of Google's system thinking it's most relevant, but given how openly malisious they've been in the past two years in terms of trying smash out wrongthink that doesn't agree with their views that are far-left even by Nordic standards I don't want to assume a mistake with those odds.
From what little I've seen (literally less than a minute), JonTron sounded like he was just regurgitating anti-SJW talking points like "identity politics", "cultural marxism" and "it's just a reaction to the crazy left" without being able to explain any of them through examples. Sad, really, because I think it could have been an interesting discussion. But instead he made a total ass of himself and (apparently) came across as a racist retard.
altnameJag said:
How about we don't let people into our country if the hate the people inhabiting them to begin with? Regardless of which sky figure they worship.
You don't see a fire and think, "You know what would put this fire out? More petrol!"
You mean the source that talks about how black people are more likely to be arrested due to racism? That was the main conclusion of the article. And you use it as a source to claim that black people are more likely to commit crimes than whites?Zontar said:
Seriously? Is this the best you have to back up that statement of his? And now you're raising the implication that Google might be actively hiding it from you? Are you actually freaking serious? You are actually entertaining the thought that this is what a conglomerate that's worth nearly half a trillion dollars spends its time doing?
Also, what happened to the FBI part of your claim? Because that ain't the fucking FBI you linked to.
Oh c'mon, Jontron isn't racist. Not in the slightest. I listened to the whole thing and I got the points he was trying to get across. He just did it really, really badly. VERY BADLY. It's clear he's not used to debate and fell into a lot of verbal traps just trying to get his point across because Destiny was ignoring the valid points he was making. It made him double down to try to make him understand what he was trying to say, and instead he overstated the points he was making and turned its tone to sounding extreme.
I mean, I agree with what Jon was trying to say, but he made me cringe a few times because he was just trying too hard. Jon was perfectly reasonable in the other podcasts he was in with Sargon. Jon is clearly just used to having conversations with people that already agree with him, and that caused him to flounder when in actual debate. I've experienced the exact same thing when talking to my brother about religion, but then failed to be persuasive when talking to my actually religious parents. It happens, and I hope to hear Jon learn from this and grow from it. I know he has it in him.
I mean, I agree with what Jon was trying to say, but he made me cringe a few times because he was just trying too hard. Jon was perfectly reasonable in the other podcasts he was in with Sargon. Jon is clearly just used to having conversations with people that already agree with him, and that caused him to flounder when in actual debate. I've experienced the exact same thing when talking to my brother about religion, but then failed to be persuasive when talking to my actually religious parents. It happens, and I hope to hear Jon learn from this and grow from it. I know he has it in him.
The more things change...Dejawesp said:
He also thinks that article supports his argument.
EDIT: Incidentally, to google a specific site, type "site:URL.com". For example, putting site:FBI.gov will search the FBI site specifically.
...which is why I'm typically on the side of "so don't panic". I mean, some immigrants are going to commit crimes. They're people, people commit crimes. A vast, overwhelming majority of immigrants aren't going to commit crimes. Because they're people, and the vast, overwhelming majority of people don't commit anything more than the odd petty crime, like jaywalking, or torrenting movies, or smoking weed.The Lunatic said:
Panics about demographic shifts are laughable. Like, if Pew Research Center's projections are correct, the number of Muslims in Europe by 2050 will almost double! *gasp!* *shock!* *horror!* Pew's expecting them to be a whopping...10% of the population. Up from 6% in 2010. Might as well declare the EU a Caliphate now to save time. [/sarcasm]
And the number of Muslims living in the US is expected to double as well! What unprecedented level of evil-and-not-misrepresented-in-anyway Sharia Law will the Muslim population on 2050 inflict on the United States of America...while being all of 2% of the population. Clearly, we must suspend all immigration and refugees from these countries while continuing to violate said country's sovereignty by launching bombing raids, drone strikes, and strike teams into their territory that almost never end up killing more civilians than terrorists. That will make them like us more.
You know my comment is right there for people to read what I actually said right? I know context is a thing that's dead at this point given the fact the subject underlying this entire thread is even a thing, but come on I spelt out the fact it was hard as hell to find anything that wasn't directly relating to JonTron no matter what combination of words I used.altnameJag said:
Unfortunately unlike Google before the purge (or whatever has made it impossible to find anything these days) the FBI doesn't have an easy word search feature that allows you to take a combination of key words to look through their bottomless pit of raw data.
Or... We could just not bring people into our country who don't accept our culture. What obligation do we have, exactly?altnameJag said:
We're not talking about crime here. We're talking about their opinions.
You're seriously suggesting that 8% (And rapidly growing) of the population hating homosexuals won't have any affect on the laws we pass? That's just naive, and there's absolutely no benefit for us to take the risk.
The issues we face in regards to an ageing population and skill shortage are entirely due to previous governments failing to prepare us for the future. To continue to import people who are completely incompatible is just foolhardy and isn't a reliable long term plan.
...which is why google searches the FBI.gov site, not whatever database search the FBI has built it.Zontar said:
Of course, if you knew what keywords you need, Bing is good for that. Yes, yes, I know, Bing, but nonetheless, if you knew how to properly search a database before google existed, you could use Bing effectively.
Somehow I'm not shocked you don't think it's racist to consider this a white country or that it isn't racist to talk about how whites should avoid becoming a minority.Fox12 said:
Or his response about why it isn't good enough to be American and that whiteness is something worth preserving? He can't even say why he thinks a white majority is worth preserving. He tries to ask why not and dodges answering it himself.
And you think it's totally not racist to think that race influences culture when questioned on why the focus shouldn't be on assimilation instead of immigration?
And of course we can't read into the questions he refuses to answer
Do tell what the valid point is in saying that it's fine for people to want to keep whites as a majority? After acknowledging that assimilation wasn't the sole thing he cared about there.Signa said:
Well that was a wonderful demonstration. Welp, I suppose if we plug our ears we can pretend anyone's a saint.Signa said:
...unless you're going to pay, and pay lots, for people to have babies, you're going to need to shore up those population numbers somehow. And if the US is any indication, after a couple generations, support for LGBT rights amounts Muslim natives should be roughly equal to support for LGBT rights amongst Protestants, and both are rising.The Lunatic said:
And your numbers are just fucking useless on top of that. I mean, let's say 8% of Europe is Muslim. Obviously, that 8% of the population doesn't universally hate homosexuals, if nothing else because some of them are gay. On top of that, 11% of Brits think homosexuality should be banned. Meanwhile, Muslims only make up 4.8% of the British population, and based on a survey with shoddy methodology, only half of them think homosexuality should be illegal. So that leaves, what, over 78% of the "doesn't think homosexuality should be legal" crowd unaccounted for? Should we suspend travel and immigration from Britain based on these numbers?