So apparently time stops at the speed of light?

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If you're going backwards in time at the speed of sound just make sure to move a little to the left before you get back to yourself. That'd make an awful mess.
 

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Inverse Skies said:
It's curious to find that it's actually impossible to reach the speed of light thanks to the energy input required to reach that state being impossible. I wonder what implications that has for travel in space? I suppose the long held science-fiction view of wormholes would be the only feasible way to travel long distances then, whether that is possible or not...
Interstellar space travel would only be possible, according to the laws of physics and space-time that we currently know, through the use of wormholes. That's not to say that it's impossible for an engine that's capable of interstellar travel to exist, we just don't know the science behind such a machine.

Basically, as far as we know, it's either wormholes or spacecraft designed to be manned by generations of astronauts over several hundred (or thousand) years.
 

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Well, you can't really say that time stops at the speed of light. At the very least relativity means that the people at the speed of light and the people watching will perceive the relativistic effects differently and will both be right.

At the speed of light mass becomes infinite. That's probably the least of the reasons that we say that nothing can exceed the speed of light.

Finally, the speed of light is constant, and thus unaffected by perceived speed; light doesn't slow down or speed up. Ever.
 

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poiumty said:
The whole thing just means that light will be as old when it reaches you as it was when it was produced. If you were to effectively travel at the speed of light, time wouldn't stop for everyone else except you (ergo, you would not age).

That's all there is to it.
You have it backwards. Everyone else moves faster from the perspective of the person travelling at near-light speeds, so we can assume that at very close to the speed of light you will reach the end of time in a few of your personal seconds. "Time" moves slower for you.

Think the faster you travel, the less you appear to have aged when you return home.
 

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the1ultimate said:
Well, you can't really say that time stops at the speed of light. At the very least relativity means that the people at the speed of light and the people watching will perceive the relativistic effects differently and will both be right.

At the speed of light mass becomes infinite. That's probably the least of the reasons that we say that nothing can exceed the speed of light.

Finally, the speed of light is constant, and thus unaffected by perceived speed; light doesn't slow down or speed up. Ever.
Well... you shouldn't have put the 'Ever' in there - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lene_Hau she has been able to effectively stop light for about 1 second then start it's movement up again without losing any. The speed of light is constant, but light it's self can move at different speeds with intervention.
 

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Time isn't stopped for other things. for us it would seem that it takes 8 minutes for light to reach us from the sun. the light itself doesn't have any time. the time isn't stopped, you just can't see it would also make sense, but then incoming light wouldn't be stopped, so if you looked forward you would see time advancing. though we don't have the technology to see if that is actually true, nor will we possibly ever have. however, we have proven that time goes slower when you're moving. Einstein's relativity theory explains it like this:

you imagine a spaceship moving in orbit, being monitored from the ground. it has a clock that works with a laser bouncing between two mirrors. the distance between these mirrors is for example 1 meter. so in one cycle, the light travels 2 meters within the ship. from the ground however, the ship was seen moving 2 meters during that cycle, so for us the light traveled 2 meters up and down, but ALSO 2 meters sidewards. therefore the distance covered by the light was LARGER from their point of view. though, light always has the same speed (distance per time unit), so in 1 cycle, the light according the spaceship covered 2 meters, and the light according to earth traveled 2x sqrt(2) (the swuare root of 2) in the same time. so on earth it takes light less time to travel 2 meters then in the spaceship, so time on the spaceship seems to be slower then the time on earth.

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cyro_349 said:
the1ultimate said:
Well, you can't really say that time stops at the speed of light. At the very least relativity means that the people at the speed of light and the people watching will perceive the relativistic effects differently and will both be right.

At the speed of light mass becomes infinite. That's probably the least of the reasons that we say that nothing can exceed the speed of light.

Finally, the speed of light is constant, and thus unaffected by perceived speed; light doesn't slow down or speed up. Ever.
Well... you shouldn't have put the 'Ever' in there - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lene_Hau she has been able to effectively stop light for about 1 second then start it's movement up again without losing any. The speed of light is constant, but light it's self can move at different speeds with intervention.
You're right, and I violated a key scientific principle as well: never talk in certainties if you don't want to be laughed at a couple of years down the track.

A real scientist would have been able to use ambiguous technobabble to avoid this sort thing.
 

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I'm confused, if time stops at the speed of light, then how can it take any amount of time for light to reach point A to point B? For example the speed of light is exactly 299,792,458 meters per second, and it takes 8 minutes for the suns light to hit earth, and for some stars light to get to earth it takes millions, and sometimes billions of years. If time stops at the speed of light, then how come it takes time for light to reach us? It seems to make more sense that time goes very slow at the speed of light.

Second question, theoretically, if you went faster than the speed of light you would go back in time, if you were to go faster than the speed of light, and lets say that the time it takes you to get from point A to point B is five seconds backwards in time, would you see your self before you traveled if your ending point (point B) at point B, if it was close enough ahead of your self to see (two meters ahead of your starting position for example)? (Obviously end up two meters ahead of your self at the speed of light you would not go in a straight line, you would travel far out and then back, almost make a circle, accept you would end up two meters in front of your original position when you stopped)
When you look up into the sky, you can see our sun as it was 7 or 8 minutes ago. So, you literally want to look 8 minutes into the past? Just look at our sun.

If you want to look back several decades, you need only look at other stars. If you're moving faster than light itself, then that means that you're moving faster than our own perception of time.

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the1ultimate said:
Well, you can't really say that time stops at the speed of light. At the very least relativity means that the people at the speed of light and the people watching will perceive the relativistic effects differently and will both be right.

At the speed of light mass becomes infinite. That's probably the least of the reasons that we say that nothing can exceed the speed of light.

Finally, the speed of light is constant, and thus unaffected by perceived speed; light doesn't slow down or speed up. Ever.
Well... you shouldn't have put the 'Ever' in there - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lene_Hau she has been able to effectively stop light for about 1 second then start it's movement up again without losing any. The speed of light is constant, but light it's self can move at different speeds with intervention.
You're right, and I violated a key scientific principle as well: never talk in certainties if you don't want to be laughed at a couple of years down the track.

A real scientist would have been able to use ambiguous technobabble to avoid this sort thing.
Actually, light slows down depending on what medium it travels through. You can also bend light. Why else do you think light gets re-directed into black holes. Furthermore, light accelerates the closer it gets to the singularity.
 

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the1ultimate said:
A real scientist would have been able to use ambiguous technobabble to avoid this sort thing.
Lol, true.

SilverScorpion said:
though, light always has the same speed (distance per time unit)
Sorry, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#In_a_medium the 'Speed of Light' is a constant, measured at 299,792,458 meters per second, but the light itself may, on a lot of occasions, actually move slower than the speed of light.
 

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cyro_349 said:
the1ultimate said:
A real scientist would have been able to use ambiguous technobabble to avoid this sort thing.
Lol, true.

SilverScorpion said:
though, light always has the same speed (distance per time unit)
Sorry, but: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#In_a_medium the 'Speed of Light' is a constant, measured at 299,792,458 meters per second, but the light itself may, on a lot of occasions, actually move slower than the speed of light.
The speed of light never moves slower than the speed of light, though. Sure it may actually slow down, but the speed of light is always the speed of light. Haha it's a bit confusing at first. Think of it more as "That's the fastest thing ever, and it's called "The Speed of Light." Whatever medium it travels through, nothing is faster.
 

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Zer_ said:
The speed of light never moves slower than the speed of light, though. Sure it may actually slow down, but the speed of light is always the speed of light. Haha it's a bit confusing at first. Think of it more as "That's the fastest thing ever, and it's called "The Speed of Light." Whatever medium it travels through, nothing is faster.
Um... I may have read this the wrong way but did you basically just say something along the lines of: An apple is an apple, sure you can paint it pink, but it's still an apple.

Yes, the speed of light is always the speed of light. I guess that I meant the maximum speed of light which we have been able to measure, or 'c' if you will.

Again, you shouldn't say 'Nothing is faster' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light#Tachyons yes it is only theoretical, but leave yourself some wiggle room, either say nothing can pass the c speed (must be either faster or slower), or say that we haven't discovered anything faster than c. :p

ProfessorLayton said:
If time stopped, would it stop for the thing moving at light speed?
Yes, because time is relative, if time stopped, all time would freeze and no-one would be aware that time had stopped. If you mean, you invented a device which stopped time for everyone else; it wouldn't actually stop time, it would just accellerate your movement and perspective to an incredibly fast speed (would need both to be increased or you would either move at normal speeds, or see time advance before your eyes if you were still able to even percieve it).

At least that is my understanding...
 

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cyro_349 said:
Yes, because time is relative, if time stopped, all time would freeze and no-one would be aware that time had stopped. If you mean, you invented a device which stopped time for everyone else; it wouldn't actually stop time, it would just accellerate your movement and perspective to an incredibly fast speed (would need both to be increased or you would either move at normal speeds, or see time advance before your eyes if you were still able to even percieve it).

At least that is my understanding...
I find it hard to believe that time could ever completely stop. I also understand where you're coming from because I saw this pretty bad movie called ClockStoppers as a kid where they explained this in an extremely watered down version but you could still get the basic understanding. But the reason I asked that question was to make sure the understanding about this theory... if time stopped, then how would something that is actually traveling at the speed of light get anywhere? And chances are, it's not the fastest thing ever created, it's just the fastest thing we know of.
 

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Plazmatic said:
I'm confused, if time stops at the speed of light, then how can it take any amount of time for light to reach point A to point B? For example the speed of light is exactly 299,792,458 meters per second, and it takes 8 minutes for the suns light to hit earth, and for some stars light to get to earth it takes millions, and sometimes billions of years. If time stops at the speed of light, then how come it takes time for light to reach us? It seems to make more sense that time goes very slow at the speed of light.

Second question, theoretically, if you went faster than the speed of light you would go back in time, if you were to go faster than the speed of light, and lets say that the time it takes you to get from point A to point B is five seconds backwards in time, would you see your self before you traveled if your ending point (point B) at point B, if it was close enough ahead of your self to see (two meters ahead of your starting position for example)? (Obviously end up two meters ahead of your self at the speed of light you would not go in a straight line, you would travel far out and then back, almost make a circle, accept you would end up two meters in front of your original position when you stopped)
Ok, I need to tell you a little bit about perception. If you're traveling at the speed of light or even faster, normal light cannot reach you in time. This means that in general terms of perception, time outside your ship/machine/rubber duck will have seemed to stop. This also translates into "traveling in time" because you travel ahead of the light wave.

Let me give a example:

Say that you were orbiting a planet as it was exploding, and you went FTL for a short time just as it blew up. As you're traveling faster than light, where ever you go to will be a set amount of time "ahead" of the light, so you will be able to see the action at the same time that you were at the location, maybe even seeing yourself there.
 

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Think of it more as "That's the fastest thing ever, and it's called "The Speed of Light." Whatever medium it travels through, nothing is faster.
Not true. Light moves slower when it travels through, for example, water. Other particles in the water can move faster than that light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-Kamiokande
 

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blalien said:
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Alledgedly, a positron is an electron travelling backwards in time. Therefore, there exists the possibility that every electron in the universe is the same electron having travelled back and forth in time sufficiently to populate the entire universe with itself.
This sounds like something a physicist said while he was drunk, and a sci-fi writer overheard him and took it as fact. Even if it were true, your personal atoms are not 14 billion years old. Electrons randomly appear and disappear all the time. No single particle is going to survive the entirety of the universe.
doesn't the possibility exist that they disappear because they become positrons?

how do know how old an electron is? i'm genuinely interested.
there may be truth in both. one law of life is that nothing is created from nothing (except for the big bang somehow), and nothing can be destroyed till there is absolutely nothing left. it could be possible that electrons could become positrons, but the question is were do we get more electrons. in order to have an atom, it must have a nucleus with electrons orbiting it, the number of electrons must equal the number of protons to keep at a neutral charge. if all electrons become positrons, then all atoms would have a positive charge due to the lack of electrons orbiting it. so if electrons become positrons, and we still have the same number of electron floating around atoms, then isnt it just as possible that at the same time positrons are turning back into electrons so that the atoms stay with the same charge. this is just my point of view and the way i was taught, so feel free to correct me if im wrong.
Okay, I'll take this one point at a time:
1. There is no way to tell how old an electron is. You can't keep track of them either because they tend to teleport from place to place.
2. An electron can't become a positron. Electrons can turn into other particles, but a positron is not one of them.
3. Quantum physics would disagree with your "nothing can come from nothing" statement. Even an empty vacuum has some amount of energy. And this energy has a degree of uncertainty. So an empty spot in the universe might have a surge of energy and spawn an electron. It will also spawn a positron to balance it out. Sometimes photons transform into other particles. This happens most often in high-energy locations, such as the center of the sun. All matter in the universe was produced this way, because matter couldn't exist when the universe was too small.

A lot of people don't understand the Big Bang because they believe the universe could not come from nothing. (This statement is a bit misleading. If you ask about what happened "before the Big Bang", you might as well be speaking gibberish. You get the idea, though.) But the universe is nothing, or at least almost nothing. There is a lot of stuff in the universe. But there is also a lot of negative-stuff. For example, when a bunch of gas particles form together and become a star, massive amounts of energy is produced. In this sense, a star (or at least the gravity that holds it together), actually possesses a negative amount of energy. If you take all the negative energy of every star in the universe, it is possible (but we're not completely sure) that it cancels out everything else. So it is possible that the total energy of the universe is exactly zero.
i am happy to be seeing another point of view. but something still confuses me, how do you create matter from only pure energy. im not saying its not possible, but im curious as to how it actually happen. the electron to positrons didnt make much sense to me, but it doesnt hurt to add impute. also, i still don't think that something can be created from nothing. sorry, im going to need more proof for your info. so put down a link for me. i do like being proved wrong when it comes to this stuff, shows that we all have something to learn.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Ouch, I think you've just killed my brain. Thanks al-ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.
Man that makes me chuckle every ti-YOUR WORDS ARE AS EMPTY AS YOUR FUTURE

It seems a bit difficult to get my head around. Read The Forever War [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forever_War] by Joe Haldeman. It is one of my favourite sci-fi's (have to read it again actually) and in it he describes it quite well. Although in his instance he travels through a wormhole-like time collapsar which propels you 1000's of light years in a split second. It is really interesting and he had college degree in Physics so he know what he's on about.

I think it is actually called Time Dilation [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation#Time_dilation_and_space_flight].