Jack the Potato said:
Binnsyboy said:
I'd say the Marvel universe is more realistic than DC with how it portrays civilian and government reaction to super powered vigilantes. It's the real world + batshit crazy super powers. All that crap's probably there, there's just no relevant reason to focus on it that wouldn't seem like shoehorning. Plus "dem minorities stealing our wimmins" racism would (even in the mind of a highly bigoted individual) be quite overshadowed by "oh sweet Jesus, that guy could fly around and shoot pure death at me!"
You do realize that you're talking about a universe where GREEN FREAKING GOBLIN was made head of S.H.I.E.L.D. and DOCTOR FREAKING DOOM has his own country, right? It is most definitely NOT like the real world.
Then why'd did they have to have an issue where the Marvel NYC experinced their own 9/11 attacks?
Clearing the Eye said:
Anyone feel weird about the way "gays and blacks" is used? Not intentionally offensive or anything, but it seems... wrong. Maybe I'm weird.
Nah you're not werid. It was unintentional on my part, but reading it myself it does come across as vaguely racist.
octafish said:
Someone needs to read Truth: Red White and Black, the story of Isaiah Bradley. Not the greatest comic book story but a nice counterpoint to Captain America. As for DC...well the most formidable non-powered character in the DC Universe was, until the reboot that ruined everything, a middle-aged overweight, black woman.
Wait so starting over with a brand new universe = everythings ruined?
Dude it's not like DC went back and actively destroyed all the old comics. The old universe is still there, they're just not making any new issues for it.
Kinguendo said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
Kinguendo said:
You cant get irrational people to realise your point through rational debate... making a metaphor of persecution into a group of individuals, both good and bad and having some being relatable is the best hope of getting through to the afore mentioned hopelessly irrational bigots.
Example: You represent the black community as a group of white people who are persecuted for being born diffent to the majority, this effectively bypasses the colour blindfold of ignorance that racists wear allowing them to see the damage, pain and irrationality of such hatred as well as empaphizing with the victims who would and maybe have been victims of their own words and actions previously.
It is fairly obvious that there will have been a fair few bigotted individuals who were and are fans of the X-Men.
Is that true though? Would a Bigot even catch on to that message in the text?
I mean you and I can see that cause we're modestly intelligent. I won't say I have the purest of all hearts, but when I find joy in a somewhat racist joke I'm very self aware that it's not appropriate.
I don't think racists/bigots see themselves as racists/bigots.
Yeah, akin to very obviously "evil" people not realising that they are in fact "evil". I doubt any Dictator wakes up, looks themselves in the mirror and just thinks "What a c*nt!".
Rationalising your own flaws is sadly what every human does, BUT not realising you are racist wouldnt stop a message you would normally ignore or outright fight from reaching you by configuring the information to a more palatable taste for the demographic you are trying to educate. The rest is just hoping they have the capacity to realise their own flaws and change accordingly.
That much I disagree. I do think to a certain extent that dictators do wake up in the morning and acknowledge that they're evil, they're just okay with that because in the long run it means a better life for themselves. Thats the only way I can imagine they'd be able to do horrible things and live like they do and still think of themselves as good guys.
After all, if Hitler really thought he was the good guy why would he have committed suicide?
I tend to think if someone is so stupid as to not accurately see their own faults, they're too stupid to get any parable or fable told to them that might change their line of thinking. The very best a bigot could attain in life is the acceptance that there are few folks of each race that are "one of the good ones" sort-to speak.
TheMightyAtrox said:
I heard Spiderman is going to be black in the rebooted comics. Killing off Peter Parker and replacing him with a new guy.
Really I heard hispanic?
Aug that doesn't sit well for me. Look I'm perfectly okay with having Black Peter Parker or Hispanic, but make the fucker Peter Parker. Peter Parker IS Spiderman.
