So are Sony the con-artists or GAME?

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Fonejackerjon

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So went into GAME today and they say Sony are 'forcing'them to only sell PS4 bundles starting at £459.99 are they full of shit or is this true?

Had to LOL though, plenty of second hand xbox one starting at £389.99. looks like the xbone is set to become the next WiiU
 

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Are you talking about this deal?

http://www.game.co.uk/en/playstation-4-with-killzone-shadow-fall-fifa-14-and-gameware-ps4-starter-pack-279343?categoryIdentifier=577124

I don't think it's Sony but GAME has a say also in the price seeing as they are adding headset, console stand and controller charging station, it' actually cheap if you think about it so what are GAME complaining about? Do they want to charge more like they do with everything else and don't put down their prices after a year later?

Second hand Xbox ONE's already? Thats way too soon.

You know what, I will say GAME because Argos has a cheaper deal going on.

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Browse/ID72/37328849/c_1/1%7Ccategory_root%7CTechnology%7C33006169/c_2/2%7C33006169%7CVideo+games+and+consoles%7C33008137/c_3/3%7Ccat_33008137%7CPS4%7C37328180/c_4/4%7Ccat_37328180%7CPS4+consoles%7C37328849.htm

And they aren't forcing a bundle on anyone. GAME is the full of s***. They overcharge and come up with excuses to justify their high prices and rubbish deals and offers. Even some of the preowned games that are years old are too much and you can get them cheaper elsewhere.
 

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It's possible Sony are "forcing" them by proxy, as in they got no vanilla units to give them because it all goes like hotcakes while the bundles are less of a desired item due to the higher price and thus available.
 

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Quick search on Amazon UK shows the bundles are available right now whereas the console on its own is out of stock till the end of the month. It's possible Sony are withholding stock of the standalone versions for the time being. What the staff at GAME probably mean is that Sony won't let retailers open up the pre-packaged versions and sell the items individually. That'll be the same everywhere, and there's nothing shady about it. It's just like having a multi-pack of crisps or cans of coke where a supermarket isn't allowed to sell individually at a cut price.

The prices for the bundles at Amazon seem similar, around £460.
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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It's GAME.

They are always dicks, the GameStop of the UK.

[small]Freakin' refusing me a refund, making me buy an Xbox 360 controller instead of the "For Windows" one which is cheaper[/small]
 

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GAME is always overpricing stuff.
I remember when they first got used copies of Resident Evil: Operation Raccoon City, they were £15 more expensive than brand new copies online.
Same with Silent Hill: Downpour.

They sometimes have titles that other stores don't (I got a really cheap used copy of Deadly Premonition from GAME, the only one I could find in my city) but I'm always amazed by how expensive their stuff is.
 

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Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo give the retailers the console bundles and pretty much set the prices. I work at EB Games Australia this is how it works. The retailer can try to add low cost items but it comes out of its pocket.

Also regarding your "xbone" comment I have sold more Xbox Ones in the last month then I have Wii U's, ever.

Finally regarding the guy who was complaining about Silent hill being more expensive in a GAME store then online, Really dude? Is it not self explanatory why that is the case? I'm not sure what wages are like in England but that is where your $15 is going, also rent, electricity ect.
 

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Lee Quitt said:
Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo give the retailers the console bundles and pretty much set the prices. I work at EB Games Australia this is how it works. The retailer can try to add low cost items but it comes out of its pocket.

Also regarding your "xbone" comment I have sold more Xbox Ones in the last month then I have Wii U's, ever.

Finally regarding the guy who was complaining about Silent hill being more expensive in a GAME store then online, Really dude? Is it not self explanatory why that is the case? I'm not sure what wages are like in England but that is where your $15 is going, also rent, electricity ect.
If that were the case, then how come all the other retailers (including Sony) are selling the bundle 50 pounds cheaper than game? If you go to Argos you can buy it for the same price it is on the Sony site and Amazon etc.

And I would say it's pretty normal for stores (at least in the UK) to sell games as cheaply if not more cheaply than online (with the exception of buying a physical product on Amazon). I'm pretty sure I've had international friends who noted the same thing, because people tend to think that Steam defaults to a cheaper price, when actually it's just PCs games are cheaper because they don't pay platform royalties. If you go to a physical store the PCs games will normally be the same price or cheaper than they are on Steam
 

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Vilealbaniandwarf said:
Fonejackerjon said:
So went into GAME today and they say Sony are 'forcing'them to only sell PS4 bundles starting at £459.99 are they full of shit or is this true?

Had to LOL though, plenty of second hand xbox one starting at £389.99. looks like the xbone is set to become the next WiiU
Walk into any CEX and they are loaded up with second hand xbones AND PS4's. My local has a large number of both. Having played on them I can see why. Both machines are pieces of shit.

Whilst wouldn't call them 'pieces of shit' I would say they are both dull, uninspired, unexciting and will have pre-mature deaths.

Build quality is also awful
 

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Fonejackerjon said:
So went into GAME today and they say Sony are 'forcing'them to only sell PS4 bundles starting at £459.99 are they full of shit or is this true?
Game are full of it.

PS4's are available as a single stock keeping unit without any bundle games, try online or a supermarket.
 

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Akichi Daikashima said:
the GameStop of the UK.
Well they are owned by the same company, just like how EB Games in Australia is owned by them as well.

OT: It's GAME, they tend to do that a lot according to my friend who used to work at one back when the PS3 launched. GameStop does similar things here. It's why I only shop online or at other stores now.
 

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Neronium said:
Akichi Daikashima said:
the GameStop of the UK.
Well they are owned by the same company, just like how EB Games in Australia is owned by them as well.

OT: It's GAME, they tend to do that a lot according to my friend who used to work at one back when the PS3 launched. GameStop does similar things here. It's why I only shop online or at other stores now.
Ah, I remember now (I wasn't sure beforehand).

But yeah, GAME suck, the only reason I ever go there is to buy Steam Vouchers, as the only other place that sells them is a 40 min. bus journey away.
 

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BrotherRool said:
Lee Quitt said:
Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo give the retailers the console bundles and pretty much set the prices. I work at EB Games Australia this is how it works. The retailer can try to add low cost items but it comes out of its pocket.

Also regarding your "xbone" comment I have sold more Xbox Ones in the last month then I have Wii U's, ever.

Finally regarding the guy who was complaining about Silent hill being more expensive in a GAME store then online, Really dude? Is it not self explanatory why that is the case? I'm not sure what wages are like in England but that is where your $15 is going, also rent, electricity ect.
If that were the case, then how come all the other retailers (including Sony) are selling the bundle 50 pounds cheaper than game? If you go to Argos you can buy it for the same price it is on the Sony site and Amazon etc.

And I would say it's pretty normal for stores (at least in the UK) to sell games as cheaply if not more cheaply than online (with the exception of buying a physical product on Amazon). I'm pretty sure I've had international friends who noted the same thing, because people tend to think that Steam defaults to a cheaper price, when actually it's just PCs games are cheaper because they don't pay platform royalties. If you go to a physical store the PCs games will normally be the same price or cheaper than they are on Steam
Ok I'll start with you second point. Steam has nothing to do with the above equation, the original post was talking about how a new copy of racoon/silent hill was cheaper to buy new (physical) online then a pre owned copy in store. He w
BrotherRool said:
Lee Quitt said:
Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo give the retailers the console bundles and pretty much set the prices. I work at EB Games Australia this is how it works. The retailer can try to add low cost items but it comes out of its pocket.

Also regarding your "xbone" comment I have sold more Xbox Ones in the last month then I have Wii U's, ever.

Finally regarding the guy who was complaining about Silent hill being more expensive in a GAME store then online, Really dude? Is it not self explanatory why that is the case? I'm not sure what wages are like in England but that is where your $15 is going, also rent, electricity ect.
If that were the case, then how come all the other retailers (including Sony) are selling the bundle 50 pounds cheaper than game? If you go to Argos you can buy it for the same price it is on the Sony site and Amazon etc.

And I would say it's pretty normal for stores (at least in the UK) to sell games as cheaply if not more cheaply than online (with the exception of buying a physical product on Amazon). I'm pretty sure I've had international friends who noted the same thing, because people tend to think that Steam defaults to a cheaper price, when actually it's just PCs games are cheaper because they don't pay platform royalties. If you go to a physical store the PCs games will normally be the same price or cheaper than they are on Steam

Ill start with the second point. The person i was replying to was talking about an physical copy bought online, not a digital copy bought online. Your point about steam would be valid, if that is what we were talking about. Besides compering a used console game price to a digital steam game would not be a valid one to one comparison given the platform difference.

Now about the price difference between retailers, As a general rule retailers do not make money off consoles, at least not the sale of the unit itself. Generally per unit they may be lucky to make $10 if that. Now some retailers choose to actively LOOSE money every sale, often as whats called a loss leader, to get you into the store and buying other high margin products.
Now if Sony were to be selling their own product either online or from 1st party Sony stores they would also have a greater margin of profit to cut into allowing them to sell for less, particularly if the choose to loss lead.

Finally Amazon. Being a online store selling vast numbers of products this enables them to be in a unique position, they can buy huge amounts of stock from Sony and cutting out any retail cost can sell at a undercut price, however still be a small amount of money per unit.

GAME might be some kind of super bad/evil/horrible UK retailer, i don't know, but like EB and GAMESTOP they dont make money selling consoles, no specialist game retailer does or really ever has. They are not aritfically upping the price of their consoles to be con artists/dicks. Every store wants to sell you a PS4 not to make money off that unit, but to make money off every game/controller/headset that you will buy from that store afterword, its been proven that you are more likely to back to that retailer if you bought the console from them.
 

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Eh well this is entirely on the retailer but It's honestly been like this ever since selling it on ebay became a thing. The consoles are so damn limited that there is no point in sending the stores 1 or 2 consoles, so if you want it get ready to pay a bit more for the things like OMG games and playstation + the things your going to need for your console. Really I don't get the mentally of " I want the video game system right NOW but no video games for it." Eh so you may get one game your not super fond of but it's better then paying someone off the street an extra 100 bucks to get the system and nothing with it.
 

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I also walked into GAME recently and saw that you could only buy 3DS bundles, not the console by itself. So I would have to bet it's GAME, trying to increase their margins...
 

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Lee Quitt said:
Now about the price difference between retailers, As a general rule retailers do not make money off consoles, at least not the sale of the unit itself. Generally per unit they may be lucky to make $10 if that. Now some retailers choose to actively LOOSE money every sale, often as whats called a loss leader, to get you into the store and buying other high margin products.
Now if Sony were to be selling their own product either online or from 1st party Sony stores they would also have a greater margin of profit to cut into allowing them to sell for less, particularly if the choose to loss lead.

Finally Amazon. Being a online store selling vast numbers of products this enables them to be in a unique position, they can buy huge amounts of stock from Sony and cutting out any retail cost can sell at a undercut price, however still be a small amount of money per unit.

GAME might be some kind of super bad/evil/horrible UK retailer, i don't know, but like EB and GAMESTOP they dont make money selling consoles, no specialist game retailer does or really ever has. They are not aritfically upping the price of their consoles to be con artists/dicks. Every store wants to sell you a PS4 not to make money off that unit, but to make money off every game/controller/headset that you will buy from that store afterword, its been proven that you are more likely to back to that retailer if you bought the console from them.
If I mention that the next 5 retailers I checked are also all selling their PS4's for 50-100 pounds cheaper than GAME is, would that change your mind? The idea that every single shop is selling it as a (pretty significant) loss leader except GAME, I literally haven't found a single shop charges GAME prices (including Gamestop), might just be a massive oddity except every single other company, including Amazon is charging the recommended retail price Sony suggests on their website.

Even if every other company is selling as a loss leader it still means that factually GAME have indeed raised their prices because they aren't selling it for the RRP