So do you believe in ghosts? Why?

[Kaymish]

well no i don't believe they exist why?? well it is just a foolish concept and there is never any real evidence and it is highly unlikely to be true at all so i am happy to disbelieve
and i am an anti-theist in addition so i completely reject claims coming from religion about the supernatural

that make great stories like VTMB and the like but that is all they are fun stories

 

[Crazy Zaul]

No cos if 1 supernatural entity exists, all of them could, and they don't. Same argument applies to religion.

 

[AdeptaSororitas]

Yeah of course I do. Weirder shit has been scientifically proven. Take a look at quantum physics for 5 seconds ^^

 

[Thespian]

Your end-of-post rule essentially tells me I can't comment since I'm religious. So yeah... moving on.

Sorry if that's the idea you got. All I meant by saying that was to avoid this thread becoming a religious debate because that really wasn't the aim here. Besides, if someone believes in a religion they almost definitely believe in spirits of some sort, and then I'd just be asking "Are you religious" which is a different question altogether, and it goes in a different forum.

Nothing against people of religious views posting, I was merely asking whether you, religious or not, believe in ghosts or spirits aside from those described in whatever philosophy you adopt.

 

[kouriichi]

Im probably one of the most logical people on the planet.
Every action i make or word i speak is carefully chosen. Even my "religious" beliefs are based off the idea of logic, and probable outcomes.

But i do believe in spirits.((to an extent))
To outright say, "NO IMPOSSIBLE CANT HAPPEN EVER NEVER EVER NEVER", is a fools game.
What i believe is that "ghosts" and "spirits" are more of an "echo" in energy then a spiritual thing.

Its proven humans are constantly giving off energy fields. ((kirlian photography is the art of capturing these energy fields given off by humans.)) Scientifically, it is possible for these fields to make "echos" in spacetime, via a ripple effect. ((dropping a coin in a fountain))
One of the basic concepts is that any object has its own position in spacetime. ((including the energy given off by humans)) There by it is possible for the energy given off by humans during traumatic events ((when the energy field itself is at its peak)) to create an "echo" in spacetime.

This would explain several phenomenon, such as the cold air ((from the energy manifesting in a single location, drawing heat as a catalyst)), the appearance of ghostly "mist" ((water particles in the air reacting to the sudden increase of energy)), and the movement of objects ((because energy does have mass, its possible for it to move objects. And because it is a form of energy, it can leave red spots, and irritation on the skin. As said to happen in many ghost storys or events))

While this assessment of spacetime and the effects of human energy may not be 100% on the money, its the most logical belief i can have on the matter of "ghosts", because to say they dont exist at all is something any 100% logical person knows not to say.

So i believe, yes, they exist, but not as most people believe in them.

 

[smithy_2045]

No, because it's completely and utterly illogical.

 

[Jonluw]

No.
And frankly, the notion is ridiculous.

 

[Craorach]

I believe in ghosts, due to personal experience. However, I strongly dislike the term "supernatural" and the implication that Science and the "Supernatural" are at odds.

Anything that exists, is natural. Anything that exists, CAN be proven by science. It is simply that we lack the technology and scientific theory to explain it.

I am also extremely sceptical about other's experiences. I have many reasons to believe my own experiences, and have made every effort to explain them in other ways. However, I find many people.. especially those people involved in the "supernatural community" take far to much on face value and faith.

 

[karamazovnew]

Ghost stories used to scare the shit out of me. Now, considering that I'm an atheist, I no longer believe in ghosts. But being also empathic, I also have this sense of dread whenever I visit an old dungeon or torture chamber. Visiting some very old sacred places like Jerusalem or various cathedrals, I could feel the presence of millions of people that had stood there before me. I once camped on a field and only later found out that the place used to be a former battleground where tens of thousands had died. I didn't feel a bloody thing. But I wouldn't spend the night in the Auschwitz museum gas chamber or furnace room.

I guess it's all in the brain, linked to our own fear of dying. I'd welcome a ghost, as proof that death is not the end.

 

[Move127]

While some might claim there is evidence for the existence of ghosts I don't consider any of it convincing. Most of it can be explained by psychological principles such as confirmation bias mixed with people who are naturally imaginative. Since there doesn't seem to be enough evidence to logically make a positive claim it is not reasonable to believe in it.

 

[Alleged_Alec]

I have seen no evidence that ghosts or any of the kind exist. Therefore I see no reason to believe in their existence.

 

[KarlMonster]

I believe in ghosts.

Among other things, I have sat *in* the cold spot where a man was alleged to have died. It was a most peculiar thing. There was no draft, no movement of air, and the room was otherwise a quite comfortable temperature.

It wasn't like the Hollywood cliches, thankfully. It wasn't a sharp chill, and it didn't make one's hairs stand on end. If you stayed in the spot, you would notice that body parts in that certain area had become markedly cooler than the rest of you.

In the greater Chicago area, there are at least one or two cemeteries and mausoleums that are downright restive. However, I'm not likely to convince anyone here with mere ghost stories.

 

[Jonluw]

Plus ouija scare the shit out of me. You dont mess with that crap!

You do know that the Ouija board is a toy that was created and patented in the 19th century, yes?
The trademark and patent is currently held by Parker brothers. Yes, the same people who make Trivial pursuit.

You do also know that if you blindfold the users of the Ouija board and then move the board before telling them to "perform the rite", they will move the planchette to where they think the correct letters are, but will infact spell out nonsense, right?

Ideomotor responses. That's all.

 

[KarlMonster]

I guess it's all in the brain, linked to our own fear of dying. I'd welcome a ghost, as proof that death is not the end.

Well, I suppose so, but I find that life has enough tedium. I shouldn't want to spend eternity meandering around like I were waiting for a bus.

 

[Rawne1980]

Not really no.

Never seen any proof of them and i'm not inclined to believe in something on blind faith.

 

[thePyro_13]

Yes. Somethings you just cant explain with science atm.

So, "If in doubt, jump to the most unlikely and most logic shattering conclusion!"?

Sounds like a good game plan!

 

[ScharanoidPizofrenic]

Im probably one of the most logical people on the planet.
Every action i make or word i speak is carefully chosen. Even my "religious" beliefs are based off the idea of logic, and probable outcomes.

But i do believe in spirits.((to an extent))
To outright say, "NO IMPOSSIBLE CANT HAPPEN EVER NEVER EVER NEVER", is a fools game.
What i believe is that "ghosts" and "spirits" are more of an "echo" in energy then a spiritual thing.

Its proven humans are constantly giving off energy fields. ((kirlian photography is the art of capturing these energy fields given off by humans.)) Scientifically, it is possible for these fields to make "echos" in spacetime, via a ripple effect. ((dropping a coin in a fountain))
One of the basic concepts is that any object has its own position in spacetime. ((including the energy given off by humans)) There by it is possible for the energy given off by humans during traumatic events ((when the energy field itself is at its peak)) to create an "echo" in spacetime.

This would explain several phenomenon, such as the cold air ((from the energy manifesting in a single location, drawing heat as a catalyst)), the appearance of ghostly "mist" ((water particles in the air reacting to the sudden increase of energy)), and the movement of objects ((because energy does have mass, its possible for it to move objects. And because it is a form of energy, it can leave red spots, and irritation on the skin. As said to happen in many ghost storys or events))

While this assessment of spacetime and the effects of human energy may not be 100% on the money, its the most logical belief i can have on the matter of "ghosts", because to say they dont exist at all is something any 100% logical person knows not to say.

So i believe, yes, they exist, but not as most people believe in them.

You're a very deluded person. You believe this grade A top of the line bullshit yet manage to convince yourself you're an extremely rational person, please. All this bullcrap about energy fields is far from proven (fuck, it's not even remotely logical) and to top it off you then go on and use your own hilarious "echo" theory to explain some "psychic" events like you're a pro on the field. At one point you made some connection between spacetime, bs energy fields and traumatic events, please, if you're so rational read this shit, laugh about it for 5 minutes and realise how stupid this sounds.

Ghosts don't exist, I say that as logical person. All the evedence the believers have managed to come up with in over 2k years is extremely circumstantial and every single fucking witness is an unreliable fucktard headcase. Heck "ghost" doesn't even have a sensible and universally agreed upon definition it's like all these twats who "see the truth" are fine with keeping the defenition as vague as possible so that they can attribute every fucking bland but misunderstood event as something mysterious and supernatural, grow the fuck up please. This world is fucking BORING, accept that.

 

[Shymer]

Ouija boards are nothing to be afraid of.

I think there is a danger in Ouija Boards, but it has nothing to do with actual visitation from "the other side". People are the danger. Some people are easily suggestible and emotionally fragile - some people have underlying mental problems either undiagnosed, or untreated. I have no doubt that many people playing with Ouija Boards treat it as a bit of fun. However you can never really be sure of the people around you and whether, in their minds, it takes on a rather more sinister weight.

I know a number of young people who have been treated for mental illness (but have avoided their medication), and have been attracted by the occult and take it rather too seriously. The Ouija Board, as a vehicle for messages from an apprently external source that can validate ideas about voices, spirits, killing, death and other evil, can pander directly to weaknesses in their mind.

I have also experienced people who prey on the vulnerable. Using their grief and unrefutable lies about the supernatural to make money.

I think the human mind is a powerful thing when it is working well - but also powerful when it is unwell. Tarot, Ouija, sceances and other such paraphernalia can have untoward negative affects on an impressionable or damaged minds - and unfortunately are quite attractive, especially to curious, vulnerable (bereaved) or obsessive people.

So it's rather like driving a car. You can be sure of yourself - but are you so sure about everyone else on the road?

OT - I don't believe in ghosts. I do believe in real emotional and behavioural effects ascribed to supernatural visitation.

 

[Ignuus66]

I personally don't, but sometimes, I feel like something is watching me.. looking.... staring.....
On a side note I do have an overactive imagination
I also heard of stuff like people fainting when they reach the center of the pyramid, napoleon discovering something in the great pyramid and coming out shocked and pale, never telling what it was to anybody and ect...
There is strange shit going on, but meh, ghosts are just a stupid way to explain something we don't know (same as most alien sightings Third and Second type that was not intended to be a hoax)

 

[kouriichi]

Im probably one of the most logical people on the planet.
Every action i make or word i speak is carefully chosen. Even my "religious" beliefs are based off the idea of logic, and probable outcomes.

But i do believe in spirits.((to an extent))
To outright say, "NO IMPOSSIBLE CANT HAPPEN EVER NEVER EVER NEVER", is a fools game.
What i believe is that "ghosts" and "spirits" are more of an "echo" in energy then a spiritual thing.

Its proven humans are constantly giving off energy fields. ((kirlian photography is the art of capturing these energy fields given off by humans.)) Scientifically, it is possible for these fields to make "echos" in spacetime, via a ripple effect. ((dropping a coin in a fountain))
One of the basic concepts is that any object has its own position in spacetime. ((including the energy given off by humans)) There by it is possible for the energy given off by humans during traumatic events ((when the energy field itself is at its peak)) to create an "echo" in spacetime.

This would explain several phenomenon, such as the cold air ((from the energy manifesting in a single location, drawing heat as a catalyst)), the appearance of ghostly "mist" ((water particles in the air reacting to the sudden increase of energy)), and the movement of objects ((because energy does have mass, its possible for it to move objects. And because it is a form of energy, it can leave red spots, and irritation on the skin. As said to happen in many ghost storys or events))

While this assessment of spacetime and the effects of human energy may not be 100% on the money, its the most logical belief i can have on the matter of "ghosts", because to say they dont exist at all is something any 100% logical person knows not to say.

So i believe, yes, they exist, but not as most people believe in them.

You're a very deluded person. You believe this grade A top of the line bullshit yet manage to convince yourself you're an extremely rational person, please. All this bullcrap about energy fields is far from proven (fuck, it's not even remotely logical) and to top it off you then go on and use your own hilarious "echo" theory to explain some "psychic" events like you're a pro on the field. At one point you made some connection between spacetime, bs energy fields and traumatic events, please, if you're so rational read this shit, laugh about it for 5 minutes and realise how stupid this sounds.

Ghosts don't exist, I say that as logical person. All the evedence the believers have managed to come up with in over 2k years is extremely circumstantial and every single fucking witness is an unreliable fucktard headcase. Heck "ghost" doesn't even have a sensible and universally agreed upon definition it's like all these twats who "see the truth" are fine with keeping the defenition as vague as possible so that they can attribute every fucking bland but misunderstood event as something mysterious and supernatural, grow the fuck up please. This world is fucking BORING, accept that.

Lol. I love it when people troll

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography
The energy field given off by all living things is PROVEN. And its been acknowledged by the scientific community since roughly 1999.
And the idea of "echos" in spacetime is actually every believable. Because everything with mass effects the spacetime. There by, the natural "Aura" that humans give off effects the spacetime. ((even gravitational fields, which have no mass themselves effect spacetime))

As i said, its not 100%. But nothing is. A ration person knows this. And im not a super genious. But you dont have to be to understand the basics of spacetime. You just have to read a few up to date books on the subject.

I'll give you 1 point for a good troll though.