So, Google *May Have* Invented Time Crystals

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Had to look up what that was. In terms of the literal size of the disappointment, the 1800m high actual mountain obviously wins. Tho it's disappointing because it's not the tallest in the area. It's not ugly, you don't have to pay to climb it, and the view will no doubt be way better because the view is not London.

The tax-funded dirtpile "wins"
Marble Arch Mound punching above it's weight! Yeah!
 

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I always thought all that talk was just meme bullshit. Like the whole "Glorious PC master-race" thing. It was ironic, Yahtzee was making fun of them, not supporting/promoting them. People don't actually see a flicker at 200000fps, they're making fun of those that claim to, right?
I have no idea whether it's a meme. But I'm not sure some of the people I've seen arguing that sort of thing are being ironic, either.

Realistically eyes probably function close to max usually around 50Hz (with individual variation): that's much of why 60fps is generally considered as good as it ever needs to be. Arguably in certain ways vision might be faster - an image can apparently be perceived if visible for ~13ms (which would equate to ~75fps). ~30fps is acceptable for many gamers (a lot of movies and TV are only ~25-30 fps).

At best, I might speculate that forms of higher frequency images could have some sort of phase resonance with the eyes and maybe create some sort of distortion. I mean, I'm pulling this totally out of the ether with little more science than that such perceptual oddities are thought to have happened with some senses.

Thus I think there's a massive load of sheer wankery about it all. It reminds me about these audio cables you could buy from your hi-fi to speakers: full of bullshit like gold-plated connectors, and the signal wires covered by an additional metal mesh that allegedly created a sort faraday cage screening to block electrical noise. These wires cost a an obscene amount: hundreds and hundreds where a basic cheap wire would do it for £10-20. No test was able to recognise any improvement over the cheap stuff. But the people who forked out a fortune for them would swear blind they gave better quality sound. Or the people who bought organic vegetables and refused to accept all the studies that showed people couldn't recognise it from non-organic by taste, and it wasn't more nutitional.

It's all just a psychological effect, I think: like thinking something is better the more you pay for it, or dissatisfaction in knowing something could be better.

I suspect many gamers wouldn't notice that much if they didn't shove apps/mods telling them what the fps was. If they just played at 36fps, they'd be fine. But they bought their RBG Uberwank 4680 12Gb that's supposed to do 4k at 50fps, so they become dissatisfied if it's only 36fps, even though that's all the need to enjoy the game fine. Likewise getting 140fps, although completely useless to anyone (except the profits of whoever's supplying their electricity), it's so amazing that they want to tell themselves they can really see the difference from 60fps. It's potentially also a form of boasting: "Oh you can't see 110 fps? Well I can."
 

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I didn't read the article so I didn't see that.

However, upon seeing it, are we sure that what Google invented wasn't in fact an algorithm to autowrite bogus physics texts?
There was similar skepticism with particle physics and the Boson field until the large hadron collider proved Boson particles with even parity and zero spin existed so the google experiment with time crystals isn't that far fetched. These are fundamental discoveries of what gives elements their mass and the wave function in quantum mechanics that determine those probabilities.

I wouldn't know if the google experiment is bogus but atleast it builds on the existing science of quantum mechanics that have made quite a few breakthroughs in the last few decades so I'm inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt. A stable quantum computer with an increased amount of qubits will leave digital technology in the stone age so google would want to continue researching time crystals and implement it where they can. They have nothing to gain from publishing nonsense.
 

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Wtf are “time crystals” you might ask? Well,

In short, they have the “potential” to increase the feasibility of quantum computing exponentially, even on a conservative scale.

Wtf cares? Well, unless living completely off the grid, this is something that could eventually benefit everyone, from how we use household items, conduct business, travel, take medicine, etc. On the fun end of things it could help make space travel more convenient than what most movies even depict, but probably not in our lifetimes.

I thought of putting this in the Tech thread, but considering how far reaching and revolutionary the effects could be, it’s currently a pretty eventful discovery.
So have they learned the power of chaos control? If not, then I'm not interested.
 

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I didn't read the article so I didn't see that.

However, upon seeing it, are we sure that what Google invented wasn't in fact an algorithm to autowrite bogus physics texts?
Maybe their stock was down and it kicks in every so often with something like this to give it a boost? But in all seriousness, this would go a long ways towards neutralizing all their failed ventures and the presumed data tracking campaign if it turned out to be even half as optimistic as they’re making it sound.
 

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I dont think it does much currently because the rest of technology hasn't caught up. Give an example, my dad just spent a stupid amount of money on a TV, a really nice, really BIG TV. An 8K TV, that can show 8K broadcasts and picture. And nothing is in 8K yet and won't be for years, but fuck it its new and expensive, therefore good.
So basically it will also be about half the price when he finally has something to watch that takes advantage of it.
 

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We trained it to write text that looks convincing, and we have to admit that the results look convincing!
...just so long as we keep it to convincing and don't sort by controversial: https://slatestarcodex.com/2018/10/30/sort-by-controversial/

Quantum computers are really good at brute force decryption. As of yet, that’s basically their one advantage.
It's not even brute force decryption - Shor's Algorithm isn't brute force, it's a way to take a bad guess for a prime factorization of a large number and turn it into a more accurate guess. Iterate it several times and you probably have a factor, then test and verify. If it's not a valid factor, then try a different bad guess or iterate further.

In case it isn't clear why that's a big deal, it's because private-key encryption as we know it operates using the products of two large primes, because factoring a large number is very very hard but checking if your factorization is right is pretty easy. Shor's Algorithm takes a product and an estimate of a factor and produces a more accurate estimate of a factor than the one you gave it, which means instead of having to test 2^128 or so possible factors you might only have to try tens or hundreds of numbers. Even if it took a billion iterations to get you the right number it would still shave literal machine-years off the time to crack a given encrypted transaction.
 
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"May" have made time crystals. I've seen tons of bogus tech and science articles claiming they've found some revolutionary X that, in 5-10 years, would change Y forever. 5-10 years later? Nothing happens. Not even some spinoff of the tech. Nope, just jack diddly.

That's why I never listen to any of these kinds of articles unless it's about something that's actually being released, not just theorized.
 

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"May" have made time crystals. I've seen tons of bogus tech and science articles claiming they've found some revolutionary X that, in 5-10 years, would change Y forever. 5-10 years later? Nothing happens. Not even some spinoff of the tech. Nope, just jack diddly.
Example: We've been "ten years away from nuclear fusion" for the last forty years.
 
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Example: We've been "ten years away from nuclear fusion" for the last forty years.
That's a little exaggerated - I think it's more that we've been 50 years away from nuclear fusion for the last forty years. However, there have been some apparent breakthroughs recently, so current estimates have gone down to another 30 years. Thus we might be looking at 2080 or so.
 
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