So has anyone heard about this protest on Wall Street?
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Most I've seen on it was on the Daily Show. Apparently theres some unions backing these protests now. The biggest being the United Auto Workers.
And I know in Toronto theres been one of these protests down in the financial district.
This will die down most likely. It'd be nice for it to form a real revolution in the way Americas run, but 99% chance it won't.
And I know in Toronto theres been one of these protests down in the financial district.
This will die down most likely. It'd be nice for it to form a real revolution in the way Americas run, but 99% chance it won't.
Read for yourself if you're serious. [http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp]artanis_neravar said:
We do have a lot of red tape up here.
An ever-more important question to ask.artanis_neravar said:
This is not even a purely American protest now either - there are similar protests happening in Ireland, Greece, Australia, and Spain.
These protests are massively, massively huge. It won't just go away.
I was serious (My Grandmother was born in Canada I believe, and if not her then her mom) so I have wanted a citizenship there for a while.Redlin5 said:
Indeed, the news was ignoring it hoping that it would go away, but after more then 10 days of people camping in the parks at night and protesting during the day they must have finally realized that isn't going to happen. Now Fox News is trying to make a joke out of it, refusing to accept the similarities between these and the tea party movement, claiming they are unamerican and support totalitarian government etc.Berethond said:
I'm thinking seriously about going to New York and joining them. The gap between rich and poor has been growing as long as I can remember, so it always felt like nothing could change that. But things are getting so bad now that the "middle class" are struggling to survive while the corporations are reporting record profits, and these protesters are saying this is not acceptable. We need to get corporations out of government. It certainly won't be easy, and nobody has all the answers as to how to do it, but the first step is to get people talking about it, reading up on it and realizing just how badly we're being screwed.
I found out about this through Facebook when a friend in the US posted some footage filmed by one of the protesters. The police brutality was appalling to watch. Here are the videos.
Perhaps most depressing of all is that I do not find this surprising.
Perhaps most depressing of all is that I do not find this surprising.
Jesus. I had no idea. That's horrific, especially the second video, short as it was.Labyrinth said:
it's seeming to be a pretty strong growing and messy idea of sorts, not saying i don't support it, as i think the gap between rich and poor has been growing and the rich just keeping getting flipping ridiculously richer, while hoarding it to death like playing the AI in god mode on empire earth.
if they started it in my city i'd be tempted to join up, but too much shit going on right now to truly give too much of a fuck, although i do understand where they are coming from and good on them if they get some balance from it.
if they started it in my city i'd be tempted to join up, but too much shit going on right now to truly give too much of a fuck, although i do understand where they are coming from and good on them if they get some balance from it.
I find the entire notion so stupid that I've considered going to my local camp site to counter protest.
Everything I've heard about this protest be it from the news or from protesters themselves is paints a picture of people uniting to blame rich people because they're struggling, and they want rich people to pay for it. There whole theme is they're 99% and the top 1% should have to pay for them.
I could very well see myself fighting in the trenches of an actual communist revolution as I do feel there are too many structures that make it unreasonably difficult to move up in society. However, this is just a clusterfuck of people complaining about whatever is affecting them and how somebody else should make it better. There's a point, but the whole things is so disjointed 99% of what you hear is noise and nonsense.
Case in point:
Everything I've heard about this protest be it from the news or from protesters themselves is paints a picture of people uniting to blame rich people because they're struggling, and they want rich people to pay for it. There whole theme is they're 99% and the top 1% should have to pay for them.
I could very well see myself fighting in the trenches of an actual communist revolution as I do feel there are too many structures that make it unreasonably difficult to move up in society. However, this is just a clusterfuck of people complaining about whatever is affecting them and how somebody else should make it better. There's a point, but the whole things is so disjointed 99% of what you hear is noise and nonsense.
Case in point:
Will do. I feel kind selfish, though. I'm in Boston, and as I understand it, we have a somewhat-sizable protest of this nature going on here. I'd join...but midterms for my first semester at uni are next week XDLabyrinth said:
That, and my impressions of the local protest haven't been good, possibly unfairly. 5 or so guys were going around in front of my campus waving signs that made no sense (the one which made some sense, "Free Education" is something which I only recently found out has little to do with the protest at large), which was the first I heard of this entire thing.
...that picture has to be satire. It just has to. I'm not saying every one of these protestors has made perfect sense, but that one simply cannot be real.bpm195 said:
And as far as I understand it, the actual position is less "The 1% should support us all" and more "The 1% should not be as disproportionately powerful as they are."
The main problem I see with the movement at the moment is that, unless we actually get over 60 -70% of the American people involved with the movement, there's no way it'll actually change much. And if that many people get involved, sadly, I see an event like the riots in Britain and Egypt far more likely than peaceful change. The Press "blackout" is all too much evidence to support this sadly, as much as I hate to say it. Even if this movement doesnt do anything, people will just keep getting more and more pissed off until it devolves to that.
As for the people making the statements on how riots here will basically be "england, but with guns", I'm not so sure about that. The average person who's in these demonstrations doesnt look like the kind of people that would own firearms in the first place (insert generic liberal hippies hate guns joke here)Unless a bunch of the radical political movements get involved, we should be able to keep it (hopefully) peaceful. . I dont think weapons will get involved at all, until something drastic happens, like a police officer shooting demonstrators, or if a small child or disabled person is severely injured. Whatever the case, if weapons do get involved, all hell WILL break loose.
As for the actual government situation, the way things are right now, theres just way too many "corrupt" and out of place people in our leadership positions to expect honest change. We do have good people in the higher up parts of government, but they seem to be few and far between. The corrupt ones wont change, until the masses are either beating down thier doors, or threatening to physically pull them from office. The recent economic crash proved to many people who the politicians were really representing, and whether thats accurate or not, thats what the general public sees and believes.
It doesnt help that in order to get any position above a mere local office requires vast amounts of funding and donations that only parties can provide. This means that even when we have good people that run, unless they're obscenely rich, they dont have a hope in hell of winning. With the passing of First Ammendment rights to Corporations, they can now freely support whoever they feel they want most, and put in whoever supports thier interests the most. Not that that changes anything, since they been doing that since the 1800's. It's just now they cant get arrested for it.
Sorry if I'm rambling, but this seems to be the general outlook of most Americans, at least where I live. Everyone is convinced that the government is completely corrupt, and that it'd be easier to just burn it down and start over than to try and fix the damage. Many people have been screwed around for years now, and its just getting to the point where their patience has run out. What this means for the demonstrations I'm not sure, but I'm praying for the people out there and hope everything turns out ok
EDIT: I live in central Kentucky, far removed where the actual riots are taking place, so public opinion may be different down here. I dont know if I support the protests as they are right now, but I deffinitely believe that the top 1% of America is getting way too powerful and that things will only get worse if we keep going this direction. At the rate we're going, we'll be reliving the late 1800's of the Industrial revolution all over again.
As for the people making the statements on how riots here will basically be "england, but with guns", I'm not so sure about that. The average person who's in these demonstrations doesnt look like the kind of people that would own firearms in the first place (insert generic liberal hippies hate guns joke here)Unless a bunch of the radical political movements get involved, we should be able to keep it (hopefully) peaceful. . I dont think weapons will get involved at all, until something drastic happens, like a police officer shooting demonstrators, or if a small child or disabled person is severely injured. Whatever the case, if weapons do get involved, all hell WILL break loose.
As for the actual government situation, the way things are right now, theres just way too many "corrupt" and out of place people in our leadership positions to expect honest change. We do have good people in the higher up parts of government, but they seem to be few and far between. The corrupt ones wont change, until the masses are either beating down thier doors, or threatening to physically pull them from office. The recent economic crash proved to many people who the politicians were really representing, and whether thats accurate or not, thats what the general public sees and believes.
It doesnt help that in order to get any position above a mere local office requires vast amounts of funding and donations that only parties can provide. This means that even when we have good people that run, unless they're obscenely rich, they dont have a hope in hell of winning. With the passing of First Ammendment rights to Corporations, they can now freely support whoever they feel they want most, and put in whoever supports thier interests the most. Not that that changes anything, since they been doing that since the 1800's. It's just now they cant get arrested for it.
Sorry if I'm rambling, but this seems to be the general outlook of most Americans, at least where I live. Everyone is convinced that the government is completely corrupt, and that it'd be easier to just burn it down and start over than to try and fix the damage. Many people have been screwed around for years now, and its just getting to the point where their patience has run out. What this means for the demonstrations I'm not sure, but I'm praying for the people out there and hope everything turns out ok
EDIT: I live in central Kentucky, far removed where the actual riots are taking place, so public opinion may be different down here. I dont know if I support the protests as they are right now, but I deffinitely believe that the top 1% of America is getting way too powerful and that things will only get worse if we keep going this direction. At the rate we're going, we'll be reliving the late 1800's of the Industrial revolution all over again.
I'm having trouble taking them seriously, considering they are founded on a made-up statistic :-\ I mean I understand where they're coming from, but at this point seems they're going to be about as reasonable as the Tea Party. And if there's one thing we do NOT need more of in our political system, it's polarized, single-minded groups who are unwilling to listen or compromise.
And besides, if they think they've got it bad with their Twitter accounts, phones, Internet access, and cameras, I think the folks sleeping on park benches tonight would like to have a word with them.
And besides, if they think they've got it bad with their Twitter accounts, phones, Internet access, and cameras, I think the folks sleeping on park benches tonight would like to have a word with them.
Actually, according to people I know who went to observe, the media was claiming hundreds when there were dozens. The whole matter has gotten far more attention than it deserved.Erana said: