So has anyone heard about this protest on Wall Street?

[Swny Nerdgasm]

From what I understand, from having to walk through it a few times on my way to my gaming group, its seems to be filled with a bunch of out of work hipsters feel they should harass people with jobs and then ***** and moan when they are held accountable for breaking the law

 

[Avatar Roku]

From what I understand, from having to walk through it a few times on my way to my gaming group, its seems to be filled with a bunch of out of work hipsters feel they should harass people with jobs and then ***** and moan when they are held accountable for breaking the law

Being held accountable? For a peaceful protest in a country where that is expressly legal?

Also, how is the following "being held accountable?"

I will grant you, the protest is not terribly united and, as such, there ARE quite a few douches, hipsters, and the like. But to my mind, it's based on a legit concern.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Case in point:

Note the subject that this person chose. It's pretty useless, and I'd question the legitimacy of this person's scholarly efforts when considering them for a job as well. Should have done something useful like one of the hard or applied sciences or something.

Ouch. That little note probably set their cause back by quite a bit.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

Many of them have very good points, but their message gets garbled by the more eccentric morons who are there also. (And I'm not just talking about Michael Moore) This is causing many observers not to take them seriously. Some more refined points of their protest are:

That they believe that the bank bailout was wrong. Why should the banks screw up then get money thrown at them to fix it only for many of them to just pocket it and move on. This argument is compounded by the fact that a few politicians say its the unemployed who are at fault for being unemployed and when you fail you shouldn't expect others to fix it.

They are pushing for a student loan forgiveness bill. According to them (AKA I'm not sure if this is true) they say that by 2012 the student loan debt will be at 1 Trillion. They want to relieve this debt so student graduates can start spending money to help stimulate the economy.

I'm sure there are other points, but those are the ones that I've noticed.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Note the subject that this person chose. It's pretty useless, and I'd question the legitimacy of this person's scholarly efforts when considering them for a job as well. Should have done something useful like one of the hard or applied sciences or something.

Ouch. That little note probably set their cause back by quite a bit.

Yeah, as I said above, that has to be a fake. It's too stupid.

 

[Supertegwyn]

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Jesus. I had no idea. That's horrific, especially the second video, short as it was.

I couldn't see, what happened?

 

[AnarchistFish]

Here in the UK it's being reported as a growing protest against corporations (maybe government, not sure) and how they're damaging normal people by moving jobs abroad so there's none for them etc

TBH it's taken them long enough

Its not people protesting outsourcing, its protesting one specific idea: that money in this country is concentrated in the hands of an obscenely wealthy few, while millions of Americans can hardly afford living expenses even when they have jobs and are being frugal with their income.

I did say "etc"

their message gets garbled by the more eccentric morons who are there also. (And I'm not just talking about Michael Moore)

You think Michael Moore is an eccentric moron?

 

[SuperMarshmallow]

Considering I live below the poverty line and still have a nice, comfortable life with luxuries such as a very nice computer, a wide-screen TV, etc., I'm starting to wonder if the 99 percent are just really bad at managing their money. Sure, there are some legitimate complaints such as crooked collusion between government and business, but this feels more like a lot of people whining about how life isn't fair.
It's times like this that remind me that the system really hasn't failed, it's the people that have failed.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

Here in the UK it's being reported as a growing protest against corporations (maybe government, not sure) and how they're damaging normal people by moving jobs abroad so there's none for them etc

TBH it's taken them long enough

Its not people protesting outsourcing, its protesting one specific idea: that money in this country is concentrated in the hands of an obscenely wealthy few, while millions of Americans can hardly afford living expenses even when they have jobs and are being frugal with their income.

I did say "etc"

their message gets garbled by the more eccentric morons who are there also. (And I'm not just talking about Michael Moore)

You think Michael Moore is an eccentric moron?

He fails to provide facts that go against the point he's trying to get across in his documentaries is one of the big things with me. Yet he has the gull to criticize others such as capitalist, corporations, globalization, and many others/things that are known to lie and cheat others to get what they want. He uses the same underhanded tactics that the people he's pointing fingers at. A true filmmaker of a documentary does not let his own bias opinions affect the outcome of the film. They instead leave it up to the viewer. Because he doesn't do this so often he has actually become known for being biased and he hurts his own cause. So regardless of his intentions, he is a moron.

 

[AnarchistFish]

Considering I live below the poverty line and still have a nice, comfortable life with luxuries such as a very nice computer, a wide-screen TV, etc., I'm starting to wonder if the 99 percent are just really bad at managing their money. Sure, there are some legitimate complaints such as crooked collusion between government and business, but this feels more like a lot of people whining about how life isn't fair.
It's times like this that remind me that the system really hasn't failed, it's the people that have failed.

The system's faulty at its core and the poverty line doesn't really mean much because it's based on the wealth of the country in question. Therefore, you'll always have people below the "poverty" line no matter how wealthy they are. You may be ok but that doesn't mean others don't have problems that were mostly out of their control.
And the amount of control corporations seem to have in the US is pretty amazing. You can't blame the people for the failure of the system that's meant to sustain them.

Here in the UK it's being reported as a growing protest against corporations (maybe government, not sure) and how they're damaging normal people by moving jobs abroad so there's none for them etc

TBH it's taken them long enough

Its not people protesting outsourcing, its protesting one specific idea: that money in this country is concentrated in the hands of an obscenely wealthy few, while millions of Americans can hardly afford living expenses even when they have jobs and are being frugal with their income.

I did say "etc"

their message gets garbled by the more eccentric morons who are there also. (And I'm not just talking about Michael Moore)

You think Michael Moore is an eccentric moron?

He fails to provide facts that go against the point he's trying to get across in his documentaries is one of the big things with me. Yet he has the gull to criticize others such as capitalist, corporations, globalization, and many others/things that are known to lie and cheat others to get what they want. He uses the same underhanded tactics that the people he's pointing fingers at. A true filmmaker of a documentary does not let his own bias opinions affect the outcome of the film. They instead lead it up to the viewer. Because he doesn't do this and has actually become known for not doing this he hurts his own cause. So regardless of his intentions, he is a moron.

Well I think most of what he says is pretty valid.

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

Yeah.
I'm a participant actually.
After OWS started, cities around the world and across the country started up their own in solidarity.
Went to Occupy Birmingham last night (Alabama, the US state, not the UK one) and 170 people showed up+ news coverage. It was covered on most of the local morning news and just about every radio station.
We're having a march on the 15th and still putting up infastructure/democratic organization in place for larger future protests.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

AnarchistFish: Well I think most of what he says is pretty valid.[/quote]

I do agree with you, unfortunately though he doesn't follow the cardinal rule of making a documentary. Don't get me wrong, I liked "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" He brought an interesting perspective as well as shocking points of interest that many people failed to see, but he picked up on. The problem is just that both films are slanted towards what he was trying to get across, so you need to take it with a grain of salt.

 

[AnarchistFish]

AnarchistFish: Well I think most of what he says is pretty valid.

I do agree with you, unfortunately though he doesn't follow the cardinal rule of making a documentary. Don't get me wrong, I liked "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" He brought an interesting perspective as well as shocking points of interest that many people failed to see, but he picked up on. The problem is just that both films are slanted towards what he was trying to get across, so you need to take it with a grain of salt.[/quote]
hmmm. fair point

 

[Erja_Perttu]

I've been hearing more and more about this and I checked out http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/ - I hope something changes. The situations people are saying they're in (it is anonymous, so I'd be surprised if all were true) sound horrendously unfair.

I would love it if a large, peaceful group of people could instigate a fair change in modern society. It sounds hopeless even when I type that though.

 

[Weaver]

Indeed, the CBC said it started with two people or something. Kind of interesting but I don't think it can really accomplish that much. I'm really hoping they don't get riot policed out of there.

This many people with this real of an issue getting riot policed out, may cause a very big issue, like the riots in England, but worse...'cause we have guns.

Makes me glad to be living in Canada. Even though if it all goes to hell down there our economy tanks by default. *sigh*

[sub][sub][sub]I f*cking hate politics messing with everyone.[/sub][/sub][/sub]

How hard is it to get a Canadian Citizenship?

It's pretty hard, to be honest.
It will help you a lot if you have a marketable degree/masters/PHD.

Aside from that, you can try to immigrate to one of the more "middle of nowhere" locations. Saskatchewan (you would probably want to live in Saskatoon), for instance, will be way easier to get into than southern ontario.

Just get ready for a harsh winter.

I've been hearing more and more about this and I checked out http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/ - I hope something changes. The situations people are saying they're in (it is anonymous, so I'd be surprised if all were true) sound horrendously unfair.

I would love it if a large, peaceful group of people could instigate a fair change in modern society. It sounds hopeless even when I type that though.

I hope they can too. What you're talking about is called a velvet revolution.

 

[Sandytimeman]

I understand these peoples situation and protests very much. I worked my way through tech school got hired by a drafting firm, then laid off after 2 years of employment, while my job was moved to Indonesia. Sense then, I've been working at McD's as a Manager and almost have worked myself out of debt. I'm getting ready to spend my savings on finishing up my degree in Interactive Digital Media w/ Minor in Network Securities in hopes of getting a real job.

a Family and a Home seem completely unreachable goals to me right now. I made 12k working full time last year, this year after my promotion from Cashier to Manager I'll have brought home 15k.

Like them I get mad when I hear that, the banks arn't paying taxes and arn't paying back the bailout money they borrowed even though they easily could. Corporations arn't paying taxes, and more and more Americans lose their jobs everyday.

I am the 99% and I stand with these protesters. It's time that something changes.

 

[artanis_neravar]

Indeed, the CBC said it started with two people or something. Kind of interesting but I don't think it can really accomplish that much. I'm really hoping they don't get riot policed out of there.

This many people with this real of an issue getting riot policed out, may cause a very big issue, like the riots in England, but worse...'cause we have guns.

Makes me glad to be living in Canada. Even though if it all goes to hell down there our economy tanks by default. *sigh*

[sub][sub][sub]I f*cking hate politics messing with everyone.[/sub][/sub][/sub]

How hard is it to get a Canadian Citizenship?

It's pretty hard, to be honest.
It will help you a lot if you have a marketable degree/masters/PHD.

Aside from that, you can try to immigrate to one of the more "middle of nowhere" locations. Saskatchewan (you would probably want to live in Saskatoon), for instance, will be way easier to get into than southern ontario.

Just get ready for a harsh winter.

Personally I was aiming for Quebec, and would it help that I'm less than a year away from getting my masters in Mechanical Engineering?