So he says his name's Dante and you all just assume...

[Durxom]

Pretty sure it's dante.
I get it people, you think he looks stupid. Please go look at the "real" dante, are you telling me that doesn't look stupid?
He's supposed to be some kind of half demon yet he looks like a supermodel or something. It's so pathetic, he's the demon equivalent to the vampires and wolves in twilight.
At least now he's interesting.

I'm pretty sure that's the point. He may be a smart-ass, annoying, one-liner throwing prick....but that's the main reason why we like him in the first place. If we are going to be kicking a bunch of ass, the main character might as well be having as much fun as we are. That and as you said with your supermodel comment, I'm pretty sure the fans of the series(the men, and especially the women, would much rather look at him, than Reboot Dante)

 

[Sarah Kerrigan]

Think about it. Red coat, attitude, fighting demons and the sexiness.

It's Dante.

 

[linkzeldi]

A devil may cry game without Dante. Yeah cause that worked out so well in 4.

If they wanted to reboot this, they should have let us play as Vergil. That would be awesome.

 

[linkzeldi]

The project lead inserted himself into the game.

I think I just gagged a little.

 

[Jumplion]

I'm under the impression that no game is as good as "the fans" say it is, so taking that I'm assuming that Devil May Cry 4 was a stack of poo-poo pancakes, and from what I played it was, and that Dante was a pretty shitty-ass character to begin with in that he was annoying, bratty, obnoxious, and in no way charming as the fans say he is.

Coming from an outsider's perspective, of course.

Alright, bashing aside, I really find this whole argument completely and utterly pointless. It's downright pitiful of some of the responses to this, ranging from "CAPCOM UR BACKSTABBING THE LOYAL FANBASE!" and "OMIGOD RUINED FOREEEEEEEEVERRRRRRRR!" and all kinds of embarrassing crap.

I can understand a slight concern for the series, that's what I'm feeling with the new Metal Gear Solid: Rising, but for heaven's sake I'm at least giving it a chance to prove itself! Some people might compare this to Cole's redesign in InFamous 2, but there are some key differences;

1. Sucker Punch was only 10% into the completion of the game.
2. Sucker Punch were still experimenting with the design.
3. Nobody bitched this much.

Seriously, and I'm going to say this as bluntly as I can, to all those people whining about the reboot, get the fuck over yourselves.

That's my $0.02 on this.

 

[Durxom]

Pretty sure it's dante.
I get it people, you think he looks stupid. Please go look at the "real" dante, are you telling me that doesn't look stupid?
He's supposed to be some kind of half demon yet he looks like a supermodel or something. It's so pathetic, he's the demon equivalent to the vampires and wolves in twilight.
At least now he's interesting.

I'm pretty sure that's the point. He may be a smart-ass, annoying, one-liner throwing prick....but that's the main reason why we like him in the first place. If we are going to be kicking a bunch of ass, the main character might as well be having as much fun as we are. That and as you said with your supermodel comment, I'm pretty sure the fans of the series(the men, and especially the women, would much rather look at him, than Reboot Dante)
-snip-

right....except I don't. I would rather see a character with...you know...personality rather than a one liner spewing cliche.

He does have a personality though. He's a simple outgoing down-to-earth guy, he can get angry and serious when he needs to be, or act more generous and condescending(like his "older brother"/mentor relationship with Nero), but most of all, he just likes to have fun with what does, which is killing demons.

While we haven't seen or heard much from this new guy, he doesn't really seem that likable, he seems pissed off or insane..I mean DMC3 Dante might have been in his rebellious teenage years, but he was still likable and did the right thing when he needed to. And, like in many situations, first impressions mean a lot, and Reboot Dante hasn't had much of a good one..I mean the opinion on him is almost universally negative.

 

[chainer1216]

the point of a reboot is to both be different and the same, while being better on the whole. it needs to be changed enough to draw in a new audience, but still recognizable so as to not alienate your original fan base. look at the most recent reboots out there in film. you could tell who batman was in batman begins, you could tell who optimus prime was in the transformers movie, you could tell who the whole cast of the star trek movie was supposed to be. the character in the trailer, in no way, shape, or form resembles Dante, he, and the world he's in have nothing in common with the the original, and because of it, they've succeeded in pissing off more people than are indifferent, and WAY more than there are who like the change.

aside from the aesthetic, if the trailers supposed to hint at the gameplay, its appears it will play like prototype or worse, ninja gaiden or God of war.

really in the end, the biggest problem the trailer created is that they're calling it DMC but its not recognizable as a Devil May Cry, if at some point in the game, that characters hair turns white, as i've seen speculate, they need to show that in the next trailer for the game, even if its just for a second of footage where he's in an alternate costume. a reboot needs to be recognizable, otherwise its not a reboot, its just a thing that happens to have the same names of people.

 

[Jumplion]

He does have a personality though. He's a simple outgoing down-to-earth guy, he can get angry and serious when he needs to be, or act more generous and condescending(like his "older brother"/mentor relationship with Nero), but most of all, he just likes to have fun with what does, which is killing demons.

While we haven't seen or heard much from this new guy, he doesn't really seem that likable, he seems pissed off or insane..I mean DMC3 Dante might have been in his rebellious teenage years, but he was still likable and did the right thing when he needed to. And, like in many situations, first impressions mean a lot, and Reboot Dante hasn't had much of a good one..I mean the opinion on him is almost universally negative.

I say look at my previous post. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.233214-So-he-says-his-names-Dante-and-you-all-just-assume?page=4#8226512]

Nothing is ever as good as you think it is, Dante was, and still is, a shitty character and you should be ashamed for thinking otherwise!

ASHAMED!

Okay, okay, I'm being needlessly harsh here, and I fully admit that I'm not a DMC fan. I just find this excuse, with no disrespect to you personally, completely stupid. Everything looks better under the right glasses in retrospect, and this is just a pitiful excuse to justify the backlash of the new Dante.

We don't know anything about this game, how it plays, how Dante is changed as a character, nothing. For god's sake, can we just give Ninja Theory the benefit of the doubt and just wait? If it's shitty, it's shitty, and everyone can complain then, but if it's a good game then all of this bitching and moaning was for naught.

Please? Can we just calm down here?

 

[Durxom]

Please? Can we just calm down here?

-starts foaming from the mouth and growling- O-o
...ok, being serious now.

I admit, most people who have said those harsh things, like it has been forever, over-reacted a bit much and I personally will keep following this game, and see how it fills out, but like a lot of people have said, even for a reboot, and an unexpected one at that, there was just too much change going on.

Most people were expecting a DMC5, and I'm sure people who just got into the series with DMC3 or 4 were expecting a DMC5 as well, but news about a complete reboot to an already strong franchise came completely out of left field.

And I know this might not be the right way to demonstrate who people feel about this, but it is the easiest way for me.
[hr]
So Halo:Reach has been doing well, latest game in a growing well developed franchise, well let's say tomorrow, the company that is replacing Bungie(I can't remember the name of them), release info that they are rebooting the entire franchise, and calling it HaLo. They then start releasing info about their newly designed Master Chief:

And stating that the game will no long be taking place on Halo or be against the Covenant or Flood, but a more colorful world, and less dangerous enemies who you can now also befriend.
[hr]

Ok, you kind of get my point =S Now said game might not end up being that bad, but it is a vast difference on what the games have been about thus far, and the fans will not take it lightly...

That is why these people are feeling this way, it was a very sudden and unexpected change. Sure, some change is good, but you can't just throw stuff at people and expect them to like it.(well I guess you can..but anyways x-x)

So anyways, brain-farting aside, this is my whole explanation on this whole speel, though I'm still keeping my opinion on Dante not being a shitty character.

 

[Jumplion]

Most people were expecting a DMC5, and I'm sure people who just got into the series with DMC3 or 4 were expecting a DMC5 as well, but news about a complete reboot to an already strong franchise came completely out of left field.

Really, unexpected? Because from what I've heard, Devil May Cry 4 was pretty average [http://www.metacritic.com/search/all/Devil+May+Cry+4/results] and sold pretty average-ly. I mean, it wasn't like there was a new DMC game every year, it was a spurt of activity here and there, moving whatever plot there was, and from what I can tell had a pretty typical, tired out Japanese plot about whateverthehell it was about.

Again, coming from a outsider's perspective on the series, but I highly doubt the DMC games were as good as some people have claimed, especially the sudden rise in "Dante was such a cool, deep character!" crap. He wasn't and never was!

And I know this might not be the right way to demonstrate who people feel about this, but it is the easiest way for me.
[hr]
So Halo:Reach has been doing well, latest game in a growing well developed franchise, well let's say tomorrow, the company that is replacing Bungie(I can't remember the name of them), release info that they are rebooting the entire franchise, and calling it HaLo. They then start releasing info about their newly designed Master Chief:

And stating that the game will no long be taking place on Halo or be against the Covenant or Flood, but a more colorful world, and less dangerous enemies who you can now also befriend.
[hr]


Ok, you kind of get my point =S Now said game might not end up being that bad, but it is a vast difference on what the games have been about thus far, and the fans will not take it lightly...

Thing is, I really don't see this new reboot as that different. I mean, sure, a different character model for Dante and a slightly different setting and feel to the game, but from what I can tell it's still Devil May Cry.

It's not that the fans are complaining, it's the fact that they're so whiny about it. I mean, even if Bungie made a HaLo game it'd be hated because it is a radically different style, genre, and general game and it'd be absolutely hilarious to see the fans react. I don't see how the reboot for DMC is so radically different from previous DMC. From what we can gather in the trailer, it still has DMC style combat, it still has Dante as an arrogant, "emo" kid, it still has a sort of "-punk" atmosphere to it. If you ask me, the series was in need of a reboot, after DMC4 the series just felt like it was floating around without a purpose.

But again, that's from an outsider's perspective.

That is why these people are feeling this way, it was a very sudden and unexpected change. Sure, some change is good, but you can't just throw stuff at people and expect them to like it.(well I guess you can..but anyways x-x)

So anyways, brain-farting aside, this is my whole explanation on this whole speel, though I'm still keeping my opinion on Dante not being a shitty character.

I can understand a little grip on the reboot, of course some complaining and skepticism would arise from any series being rebooted. But again (again again again...), it's the sheer number of people absolutely denying anything about the game.

It's amazing how one can predict whether a game will be good or ruin a series forever by one trailer with no gameplay, story, or mechanical significance....

 

[Durxom]

Really, unexpected? Because from what I've heard, Devil May Cry 4 was pretty average [http://www.metacritic.com/search/all/Devil+May+Cry+4/results] and sold pretty average-ly. I mean, it wasn't like there was a new DMC game every year, it was a spurt of activity here and there, moving whatever plot there was, and from what I can tell had a pretty typical, tired out Japanese plot about whateverthehell it was about.

Again, coming from a outsider's perspective on the series, but I highly doubt the DMC games were as good as some people have claimed, especially the sudden rise in "Dante was such a cool, deep character!" crap. He wasn't and never was!

Since when are mid 80's average? o-O
But yes, DmC was unexpected; people wanted a DMC5, they wanted more of the same gameplay, and a continuation of the story(what little there is of one).

I'll admit he really isn't that deep of a character, but that's not really why we love the character or games. We love them for their fun and campy-ness. We love it when Dante does stuff like this:

Or does silly shit like this:
No matter how pointless it may be. That is his character and that is why we love it, which might seem weird to an outsider.

Thing is, I really don't see this new reboot as that different. I mean, sure, a different character model for Dante and a slightly different setting and feel to the game, but from what I can tell it's still Devil May Cry.

It's not that the fans are complaining, it's the fact that they're so whiny about it. I mean, even if Bungie made a HaLo game it'd be hated because it is a radically different style, genre, and general game and it'd be absolutely hilarious to see the fans react. I don't see how the reboot for DMC is so radically different from previous DMC. From what we can gather in the trailer, it still has DMC style combat, it still has Dante as an arrogant, "emo" kid, it still has a sort of "-punk" atmosphere to it. If you ask me, the series was in need of a reboot, after DMC4 the series just felt like it was floating around without a purpose.

But again, that's from an outsider's perspective.

Again, we liked the series and its style. The gameplay was about trying to be as stylish as possible while you killed stuff, not just a straight up button-mash like God of War, and now this is just my opinion here, but from the video, if that is somewhat a glimpse of gameplay, I can see that it is trying to catch it but it's not quite there.

But again this all goes back to character, even in his "rebellious" phase in DMC3, he was still is old, happy-go-lucky arrogant self, he was neither emo or punkish, and both those words seem like they are the anti of what his main personlity is, again too much change...but we haven't seem that much more of it too judge so this last part here is moot.

I can understand a little grip on the reboot, of course some complaining and skepticism would arise from any series being rebooted. But again (again again again...), it's the sheer number of people absolutely denying anything about the game.

It's amazing how one can predict whether a game will be good or ruin a series forever by one trailer with no gameplay, story, or mechanical significance....

I like I said before, the fans and other people really were expecting a DMC5 and not a reboot. It was so much of a fast sudden change that people didn't know how to retaliate, which resulted in the "OMG WTF HAVE THEY DONE TO DMC???!?!!111" types of comments, but if you have noticed, a lot of these types of comments have been disappearing as of late, and more solid based opinion are coming out.

It is not what we were expecting and it wasn't what we really wanted.

 

[linkzeldi]

A devil may cry game without Dante. Yeah cause that worked out so well in 4.

If they wanted to reboot this, they should have let us play as Vergil. That would be awesome.

What? First of all, this isn't a game without dante. Second, 4 let you play as dante. Why don't people play games before they judge them now?

First Yes I actually own 4 and played it, and the levels played as dante are basically retreading what you did as nero.

 

[Jumplion]

Since when are mid 80's average? o-O
But yes, DmC was unexpected; people wanted a DMC5, they wanted more of the same gameplay, and a continuation of the story(what little there is of one).

Okay, may a high-average game, but you get my point. Nothing to really write home about, and pretty forgettable after a while (i forgot about it till now)

I'll admit he really isn't that deep of a character, but that's not really why we love the character or games. We love them for their fun and campy-ness. We love it when Dante does stuff like this:
*snip for space*

Or does silly shit like this:
*snip*
No matter how pointless it may be. That is his character and that is why we love it, which might seem weird to an outsider.

Oh yeah, totally, I can see how people would find him awesomely badass. And maybe the new Dante does that to? He seems to have the same snarky, badass attitude to me. I'm just saying the whole "OMG, the old Dante was so cool and deep and we loved him for his snarkiness!" holds no water because it's just a defense mechanism to not take in the new model. To some degree, sure, he was, but not to the extent that fans are screaming about (not saying you are, but you get my point).

People are, funnily enough, judging a book by its cover after only a single trailer. Like I said, just give it some time and we'll see where it goes. If it sucks, it sucks, if it's great, then you suck it up!

Again, we liked the series and its style. The gameplay was about trying to be as stylish as possible while you killed stuff, not just a straight up button-mash like God of War, and now this is just my opinion here, but from the video, if that is somewhat a glimpse of gameplay, I can see that it is trying to catch it but it's not quite there.

I don't think there was any gameplay footage in the game, just prerendered-glittery stuff stuff like all the DMCs have. Again, it's just a trailer, so let's see what happens.

My whole point in this is to just wait. If it ends up changing absolutely everything, then fine, go nuts you crazy fans. But for now we know nothing, so lets wait. It's like with Cole in InFamous 2, nobody really complained about the redesign until we saw some gameplay footage and heard his voice. That's when people were concerned that it was a bit too far with the changes, and Sucker Punch apparently agreed (like I said in my original post).

But again this all goes back to character, even in his "rebellious" phase in DMC3, he was still is old, happy-go-lucky arrogant self, he was neither emo or punkish, and both those words seem like they are the anti of what his main personlity is, again too much change...but we haven't seem that much more of it too judge so this last part here is moot.

I hate the word "emo", it gets tossed around everywhichway whenever a character expresses any sort of intense emotion.

But it all comes back to my main point, just wait. Trailers mean nothing, I doubt people were going "OMG, DUKE IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!" after watching logos fly across the air... [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K00DCK1l98]

Like I said before, the fans and other people really were expecting a DMC5 and not a reboot. It was so much of a fast sudden change that people didn't know how to retaliate, which resulted in the "OMG WTF HAVE THEY DONE TO DMC???!?!!111" types of comments, but if you have noticed, a lot of these types of comments have been disappearing as of late, and more solid based opinion are coming out.

It is not what we were expecting and it wasn't what we really wanted.

Eh, fans never get what they want

But this is just going to go around and around, so let's just end this conversation for now until some definitive gameplay footage comes out and more information is given.

 

[Durxom]

Eh, fans never get what they want

But this is just going to go around and around, so let's just end this conversation for now until some definitive gameplay footage comes out and more information is given.

Sure, no problem =] I can wait till then, though to stay classy, I'm ending this discussion with a penis joke


EDIT: Though I will say one thing, I am sad that they aren't using Reuben Langdon anymore =/
If you didn't know, he's the voice actor of Dante in DMC3/4, his stunt/motion capture actor in 3/4 as well, he's the voice actor of Ken in SF4, the motion capture actor of Chris Redfield in RE5, and has done tons of stunt work for video games/tv/and movies, Avatar being one of them....I'm going to miss him =S

 

[Durxom]

dang it, double post x-x

 

[Ciran]

The big question is why does anyone give a rats ass? It's Capcoms IP, they can do what they want with it. If you want a white haired guy dressed in black and red leather to write slash fics about, create a character and go to town.

Well I give a rats ass... If you dont, then dont post. I'm sure there a fictions you enjoy and that you would be frustrated with if someone just decided to overhaul the entire lore/history

I've lived through Michael Bays Transformers and Joe Quesada deciding it would be better for Spider-Man to make a deal with the Devil than be married. I think I've been through the overhaul period and I just went on and loved the series I loved and never looked at the new stuff. I'm not saying that Dante doesn't mean anything to you, but he's not yours. He belongs to Capcom. Just like Transformers belongs to Hasbro and Spider-Man belongs to Disney. They can do what they want to with them.

People seem to forget that fact. Just because you like a character, hell you can have the character for a hero to emulate and seem more than just a fictional character, but at the end of the day the owners decide what to do with them and all we can do is go with the flow or ignore it and just remember the character as they were.

Edit: Can't believe I was ninja'd with the last paragraph lol

While you're partially correct, I think you're ignoring a fact of human psychology. Most people strive to be accepted, or at least strive to not alienate themselves. I've known people who put up with some discomforting things in a completely foreign country because they didn't want to "embarrass" themselves, even though no one would say anything and there was a 99.9% chance that they would never, ever see those people again in their life. In the same way, most creators of entertainment or creative works want to have their subject matter liked, or they're at least not going to go into creating something with the express outlook that people aren't going to like it. Well, most wouldn't, anyways.

Not only that but a game is based on people buying it, so why would you decide to upset your original fan base with a retooling of the main character that is obviously gaining so much negative feedback? Sure, it's their franchise and they can do what they want with it, but you also have to walk the fine line of giving the fans what they want to make sure that you keep your sales up.

I think the more important question to ask is, if they stick with the current redesign, why are so many fans who speak out against it going to buy the new game anyways? It's the same conundrum that I see striking Sonic fans every time a new game comes out.

As for my personal viewpoint, I don't have so much a problem with his general look (though I do miss the white hair a bit) as much as I have a problem with the way he moves. He has this odd, sort of jerky Joker-esque movement that really does not go together well with his fighting style and it made his movements look somewhat awkward to me.