So how about this month's Attack on Titan chapter? @_@ *spoilers*

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I put a warning in the title, but perhaps it's best to repeat myself once more to be safe: This month's chapter came loaded with plot that readers/watchers of the series have been waiting to learn for years. As such, there's no real way to discuss it without enclosing everything you say in spoiler tags, as such, it's easier to just put this disclaimer up and then post freely. Spoilers below, best to avoid if you are an anime watcher or just not caught up and want to wait til later.

*ahem* now, then:

http://mangastream.com/r/attack_on_titan/086/3727/1

I'm not very good at being the OP for threads, but reading this chapter made me really wanna talk about it with someone, and I'm just not active in any other forums these days, so I figured I'd put this here.

The nature and origin of the titans is one of the biggest and most compelling mysteries behind the series, which is a good thing for gripping a reader, but a good mystery can also be a drawback. Sometimes when you create a mystery that's extremely engaging and hard to decipher, you accidentally create a situation where any solution you finally decide to give to it will ultimately feel like an anticlimax.

In this month's chapter, the contents of the basement are explored in greater detail, and questions that have hung over the series for years now have answers... and the end result has me feeling... a little mixed.


On the positive side, I do like that, while the outside world is advancing in technology rapidly, Isayama didn't pull a full "The Village" and have the island where the walls were built be a fragment of ancient people in a modern setting. Doing so would have created far more questions than it resolved, including the old, big, "How did Titans ever take down a human race that had A-bombs and advanced militaries?"

The 1910's-20's feel of the outside world seems like a perfect mesh for the setting, and the situation we see for the kids who became titan shifters on the island was suitably bleak. I can now see why they would be willing to commit mass-murder against complete strangers, if unhappily. I also really like that this chapter firmly places the setting of the series in a fantasy world. I was somewhat dreading that the twist would be that it was a post-apocalypse version of the real world, a twist so cliche it would have been the antithesis of a twist.

The other thing I really liked was that there were little details in the characters introduced this month that made neat little easter eggs for people who have followed the series since the beginning. Many of the conspirators who were betrayed by Zeke, and summarily sentenced to wander the island as mindless monsters, can be identified as various abnormal titans that Eren and company fought against in the early arcs of the series. Grisha's first wife, in particular, is almost certainly the grinning titan who ultimately devoured Eren's mom.


That said, and on the subject of Zeke... uggh... I really wish they didn't play the "long lost half brother" card... It wasn't really necessary. Having Grisha push for Zeke to be volunteered to become a shifter, and Zeke eventually betraying him, would have been enough on its own to fuel the conflict between the two. Adding the blood relation just felt cheap.

The rest of my feelings I've suspended until we see the second half of this story, which will hopefully be next month, but I feel like I need just a bit more information to overcome my dread that the answer to the mystery won't live up to the hype of the mystery itself.

Anyone else read/follow the series? What are your thoughts on the various twists we got this month?
 

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I do like the idea of the city within the walls being an island off the coast of a much larger empire. It's interesting to see that the constant battle against the Titans is a storm in a teacup in many ways.

So. There are nine Titans? Let's count. Rogue, Dancing, Beast, Armored, Colossal, Female, Coordinate. There are two we haven't seen yet (I think). I like the idea behind this. Particularly with the Titans in general being a kind of casual siege by the Mare.

I could've done with Zeke being a relative though. My main problem just kind of comes with general lack of build up and everything being an info dump. I do like the concept, just that it kind of came out of nowhere.

I can't recognize any of the conspirators as the abnormal Titans, I hope someone makes a comparison chart too.
 

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Ultimately I think it was all rather well done. I generally have a durable suspension of disbelief so I can generally take the most inane or idiotic of plot points so long as they don't shit the bed so take that statement as you will.

It explains most of the story quite well and sets up future conflict. It doesn't try to explain everything and the Marley empire or whatever they were called seemed believable. Zeke being Eren's brother is... meh, no real reaction. I don't really care all that much although it could definitely have been built up more.

In short, it's a sufficiently good twist that explains enough to actually contribute to the story without stumbling over itself and it also sets up nicely the future conflicts.
 

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Not a hardcore follower of Attack on Titans, but I've been curious enough about their origins that I read it.

What I really love is that initially, they're the oppressers that did this terrible but the oppressed people won, and what were left is just... what happens in this constant cycle of violence. Grisha's father taking on the sins of his ancestor, being like "No we deserve this because of this bad thing our people did a long time ago."

without getting into it, is that not a theme that reflects so hardcore today? It just really really underlines how stupid it is to hold grudges. That we don't inherit the "sins of the father", and that were all individuals and just how evil the abuse of power really is... and how enraging it is.

anyway, I like the idea that the whole story is taking part in this small isolated part of the world and the primary reason for the conflict is oil, jesus isn't that relatable too? The only weak part of all of this is the whole "We made a deal with the devil thing"...I would of rathered a more science base explanation but there never was going to be a good one.
 

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Feels a bit like the big reveal in Claymore.

The 'world' of Claymore turned out to be a weapons testing site for a much larger empire.
 

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One of the things that gets me is that we still don't know the truth for certain. We're basically given one explanation of this world and a counter story. I wouldn't be surprised if neither is 100% true or false.

I liked seeing this outside world. It's believable and even has allusions to real world events. I couldn't help but see Grisha's home as a concentration camp (notice they even had to have bands around their arms). And the idea that the whole conflict comes from very mundane roots (oil) seems like something we can get behind.

I was expecting Zeke to be Eren's uncle, though.

All in all, I'm fairly satisfied. Looking forward to the next chapter and the future conflicts that arise.
 

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It is worth keeping in mind that the story we're being told is told from the perspective of a zealot. There may be a whole other side we're unaware of.
 

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Raddra said:
It is worth keeping in mind that the story we're being told is told from the perspective of a zealot. There may be a whole other side we're unaware of.
Probably, but it doesn't change the overt parallels to Nazi Germany that Grisha lived through. I imagine there will be a reveal that the legend of the Royal family Grisha outright states he is making up (he literally says he cannot read what the history is) is wrong and they really were horrible people. There will probably be a big message will be something like, "Don't punish people for what their ancestors did but don't hold your ancestors up on a pedestal either."
 

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Saltyk said:
One of the things that gets me is that we still don't know the truth for certain. We're basically given one explanation of this world and a counter story. I wouldn't be surprised if neither is 100% true or false.

I liked seeing this outside world. It's believable and even has allusions to real world events. I couldn't help but see Grisha's home as a concentration camp (notice they even had to have bands around their arms). And the idea that the whole conflict comes from very mundane roots (oil) seems like something we can get behind.

I was expecting Zeke to be Eren's uncle, though.

All in all, I'm fairly satisfied. Looking forward to the next chapter and the future conflicts that arise.
It's doesn't resemble a concentration camp, it is explicitly referred to as a ghetto [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghettos_in_Nazi-occupied_Europe]. The "Jews under Nazi occupation" vibe could only be any stronger if the history lesson the dad gave was about how the Eldians killed the Marleyans' messiah.
 

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Rowan93 said:
Saltyk said:
One of the things that gets me is that we still don't know the truth for certain. We're basically given one explanation of this world and a counter story. I wouldn't be surprised if neither is 100% true or false.

I liked seeing this outside world. It's believable and even has allusions to real world events. I couldn't help but see Grisha's home as a concentration camp (notice they even had to have bands around their arms). And the idea that the whole conflict comes from very mundane roots (oil) seems like something we can get behind.

I was expecting Zeke to be Eren's uncle, though.

All in all, I'm fairly satisfied. Looking forward to the next chapter and the future conflicts that arise.
It's doesn't resemble a concentration camp, it is explicitly referred to as a ghetto [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghettos_in_Nazi-occupied_Europe]. The "Jews under Nazi occupation" vibe could only be any stronger if the history lesson the dad gave was about how the Eldians killed the Marleyans' messiah.
To be fair, I was at work. I was more thinking of internment camps at the time, but my phone doesn't always get what I mean, so I went with the closest thing in my mind. And there were certainly parallels with Jewish persecution and the Nazis. I will admit that ghettos are probably a closer comparison, though. Still we agree that the parallel was there.

undeadsuitor said:
Rowan93 said:
Saltyk said:
One of the things that gets me is that we still don't know the truth for certain. We're basically given one explanation of this world and a counter story. I wouldn't be surprised if neither is 100% true or false.

I liked seeing this outside world. It's believable and even has allusions to real world events. I couldn't help but see Grisha's home as a concentration camp (notice they even had to have bands around their arms). And the idea that the whole conflict comes from very mundane roots (oil) seems like something we can get behind.

I was expecting Zeke to be Eren's uncle, though.

All in all, I'm fairly satisfied. Looking forward to the next chapter and the future conflicts that arise.
It's doesn't resemble a concentration camp, it is explicitly referred to as a ghetto [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghettos_in_Nazi-occupied_Europe]. The "Jews under Nazi occupation" vibe could only be any stronger if the history lesson the dad gave was about how the Eldians killed the Marleyans' messiah.
Or if their arms bands had triangles instead of pot leaves
Yeah, it was pretty explicit.