So, how do you think we are going to beat the reapers at the end of mass effect 3?
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As of the end of ME2, we don't know that much about the combat capabilities of reapers. There have been exactly three engagements: Sovereign at the battles of the Citadel and Eden Prime, and the human-reaper at the Collector base. None of these was instructive of the capabilities of a reaper. Neither of the first two was terribly instructive because in both cases Sovereign left the fighting to the Geth but appered to be able to take quite a pounding. The Human reaper was taken down by a Shepard led commando unit, but it was only partially built at that time and even completed would have been nowhere near the size of Sovereign.
All in all, not much information, so I imagine a lot of ME3 is going to be about running as much recon as possible.
Simple answer: we don't know enough about reapers to even acertain whether they can die. I would assume that if you pump enough ordenance into them, they'll die like anything else, but they might have already kicked your ass before you can do that.
All in all, not much information, so I imagine a lot of ME3 is going to be about running as much recon as possible.
Simple answer: we don't know enough about reapers to even acertain whether they can die. I would assume that if you pump enough ordenance into them, they'll die like anything else, but they might have already kicked your ass before you can do that.
1: Sovereign/Nazara was stronger than the average Reaper.
2: When it attacked the Citadel, it attacked by surprise and had roughly half of the Geth fleet on it's side.
3: The Citadel was reletively lightly defended at the time, and only by Asari and Turian fleets.
4: Technology has vastly improved in the 2 years since Mass Effect 1. While the Normandy SR1 was absolutely destroyed by the Collector cruiser, it was shown that the Normandy SR2 could easily destroy the same ship in only 1 or 2 shots when equiped with a new Thanix cannon.
2: When it attacked the Citadel, it attacked by surprise and had roughly half of the Geth fleet on it's side.
3: The Citadel was reletively lightly defended at the time, and only by Asari and Turian fleets.
4: Technology has vastly improved in the 2 years since Mass Effect 1. While the Normandy SR1 was absolutely destroyed by the Collector cruiser, it was shown that the Normandy SR2 could easily destroy the same ship in only 1 or 2 shots when equiped with a new Thanix cannon.
Something costing the life of Shepherd. Also, it might depend on if you destroyed the reaper hybrid or kept it for research at the end of ME2.
Huge sign taped to the edge of known space that reads:
"Sorry, we've popped out on holiday for a few millennia, leave a message and we'll get back to you when we return - Thanks, All Biological life"
Hopefully the Reapers will be fooled and go away while we evolve a bit more.
"Sorry, we've popped out on holiday for a few millennia, leave a message and we'll get back to you when we return - Thanks, All Biological life"
Hopefully the Reapers will be fooled and go away while we evolve a bit more.
Pretty much this. My bro an I have talked this out on too many late nights and the whole "Prothean secret weapon that couldn't be reached on time by the Protheans" just makes sense within the ME universe. Soveriegn alluded to this when he talked about technology going down predetermined paths. Different tech must be a weakness.Pikey Mikey said:
Of course we'll kill all the Reapers. However, I also say this:
Depending on your choices through ME1-3, the end of ME3 will end in one of two ways (IMHO) (Well, of course not two ways, but I'll just say the polar opposites in the form of Dungeons and Dragons morality):
1. Lawful Good: The Reapers are extinct, the Citadel races (Asari, Turian, Salarian, Volus, Elcor, Hanar, Drell, Quarian) are all happy fun times with each other. More of the species are Council races now- like the Volus, since they whine so much and the part they'll play in funding the Unified Defense force. The recognized races (Vorcha, Batarian, and new ones which will apparently show up in ME3) also join up with the expanded Citadel friendliness. Cerberus is no more. The Krogan are led by Urdnot Wrex, and are achieving real cultural benefit so they are not Orcish anymore, and no longer a galactic threat. The Geth are apologized to, and become a Citadel race. For their selfless sacrifices during the defense of Earth and other planets, the Rachni become Citadel-accepted too. However, the cost is the extinction of Humanity. They were too selfless and cared more for galactic peace than their own survival.
2. Chaotic Evil: The Geth are extinct, they made their superstructure they talked about in ME2 through the Legion platform, which was kinda like a Death Star, but it got blown up while trying to defend the Quarians, who didn't accept them and so Reapers blew it up from one side where the Quarians blew it up from the other. The Thorian is back, and if you ACTUALLY READ every planet's description in ME1, the Batarians found a billion year old dead living ship. It was the Thorian's make! The Thorian was the first sentient species in the galaxy but over time it absorbed too much tech and bio-mass from other species and became the Reapers. It was true what Sovereign said- no one built them. Humanity survived, but no other race has enough genetic diversity to survive for long- and Humanity only has as many members as it does because they sacrificed EVERYONE else. Basically, the end of this version of ME3 is the same as the Protheans- they survived the galactic genocide, but died anyway. This time, however, there is no Reaper threat for the next group of species that evolves somewhere in the galaxy... they'll be safe.
In relation to how we kill the Reapers- Think of something no one said in this thread yet- the debris field on the other side of the Relay.
Each galactic genocide, it alluded that the highest tech is lower and lower, since it is based on that of the species before. The Protheans got some of that time back to us, to counteract it. But if that dead "living ship" meant anything, then there's something at least 37,000,000 years old if not a billion (the derelict is 37m) and finding tech from that forgotten civilization will really really help. Plus if I'm right on the Reapers being a child race of the Thorian, then we need to mass-produce Anti-Thorian gas and deliver it through melee- just Genophage-up the gas, tweak the DNA of the Rachni, and have their acid-spray decay the Reaper's organic parts. I mean, look at what EDI said, 'apparently, Reapers' looks are based on the organic race used to create them', and they do not look Prothean. They look Thorian.
We don't need to worry about the politics anymore, I think. You're Aria's friend (if you don't give hope to the Patriarch and you do point out people against Aria to her), Salarian friend (if you save both ranked Salarians at Saren's base and save the council), Turian friend (get the League of One medallions and save the Council), Asari friend (save the council, 'good' responses to the Consort), a respected Spectre (if you saved the council), ally of the Krogan (if Wrex leads), respected by the Quarians (max paragon through Tali's loyalty mission), Geth friend (Legion loyalty), Rachni friend (save them), and your girlfriend is the Shadow Broker (if you seduced and stayed loyal to Liara and got the DLC). The big unknowns to me are Conrad Verner (I think he only represents how the galaxy sees you, really) and Morinth, if you let her live, and the debris field past the Omega 6 Relay.
Depending on your choices through ME1-3, the end of ME3 will end in one of two ways (IMHO) (Well, of course not two ways, but I'll just say the polar opposites in the form of Dungeons and Dragons morality):
1. Lawful Good: The Reapers are extinct, the Citadel races (Asari, Turian, Salarian, Volus, Elcor, Hanar, Drell, Quarian) are all happy fun times with each other. More of the species are Council races now- like the Volus, since they whine so much and the part they'll play in funding the Unified Defense force. The recognized races (Vorcha, Batarian, and new ones which will apparently show up in ME3) also join up with the expanded Citadel friendliness. Cerberus is no more. The Krogan are led by Urdnot Wrex, and are achieving real cultural benefit so they are not Orcish anymore, and no longer a galactic threat. The Geth are apologized to, and become a Citadel race. For their selfless sacrifices during the defense of Earth and other planets, the Rachni become Citadel-accepted too. However, the cost is the extinction of Humanity. They were too selfless and cared more for galactic peace than their own survival.
2. Chaotic Evil: The Geth are extinct, they made their superstructure they talked about in ME2 through the Legion platform, which was kinda like a Death Star, but it got blown up while trying to defend the Quarians, who didn't accept them and so Reapers blew it up from one side where the Quarians blew it up from the other. The Thorian is back, and if you ACTUALLY READ every planet's description in ME1, the Batarians found a billion year old dead living ship. It was the Thorian's make! The Thorian was the first sentient species in the galaxy but over time it absorbed too much tech and bio-mass from other species and became the Reapers. It was true what Sovereign said- no one built them. Humanity survived, but no other race has enough genetic diversity to survive for long- and Humanity only has as many members as it does because they sacrificed EVERYONE else. Basically, the end of this version of ME3 is the same as the Protheans- they survived the galactic genocide, but died anyway. This time, however, there is no Reaper threat for the next group of species that evolves somewhere in the galaxy... they'll be safe.
In relation to how we kill the Reapers- Think of something no one said in this thread yet- the debris field on the other side of the Relay.
Each galactic genocide, it alluded that the highest tech is lower and lower, since it is based on that of the species before. The Protheans got some of that time back to us, to counteract it. But if that dead "living ship" meant anything, then there's something at least 37,000,000 years old if not a billion (the derelict is 37m) and finding tech from that forgotten civilization will really really help. Plus if I'm right on the Reapers being a child race of the Thorian, then we need to mass-produce Anti-Thorian gas and deliver it through melee- just Genophage-up the gas, tweak the DNA of the Rachni, and have their acid-spray decay the Reaper's organic parts. I mean, look at what EDI said, 'apparently, Reapers' looks are based on the organic race used to create them', and they do not look Prothean. They look Thorian.
We don't need to worry about the politics anymore, I think. You're Aria's friend (if you don't give hope to the Patriarch and you do point out people against Aria to her), Salarian friend (if you save both ranked Salarians at Saren's base and save the council), Turian friend (get the League of One medallions and save the Council), Asari friend (save the council, 'good' responses to the Consort), a respected Spectre (if you saved the council), ally of the Krogan (if Wrex leads), respected by the Quarians (max paragon through Tali's loyalty mission), Geth friend (Legion loyalty), Rachni friend (save them), and your girlfriend is the Shadow Broker (if you seduced and stayed loyal to Liara and got the DLC). The big unknowns to me are Conrad Verner (I think he only represents how the galaxy sees you, really) and Morinth, if you let her live, and the debris field past the Omega 6 Relay.
I see quite a few possibilities, actually.
Kill'em all : while they ARE indeed very powerful, the way they go about their business strongly suggests THEY know very well they are NOT invincible.
The way they seems to have done it before was mainly though sleeper agents and a lot of divide-and-conquer.
Also, seems like their arrival was heavily delayed, so they've got to contend with far more combined firepower from the current races.
Oh, and key point : current RACES. We were led to believe the previous harvest cycles would have mainly been against a single race. But now, almost certainly thanks to Prothean meddling, there's not just one race, but many races, and they're quite war-like.
It is completely conceivable that if you manage to unite the divided galaxy against a common enemy, you might actually succeed.
Drive them out : the current galactic powers understand much more about Mass Effect tech than previously harvested species, and that could prove to be the Reapers' undoing.
For instance, you could learn to truly master the Mass Relays and redirect the Reapers back into Dark Space every time they make (what they think) would be a normal jump, with their energy reserves too depleted to come back any time soon from there, and by the time they might actually get back, civilisation would have evolved enough to easily handle them.
Reverse indoctrination : you basically end up subjugating THEM instead.
You will almost certainly need to break the current Citadel laws and have a fully sentient AI on your side for that. How convenient that you have EDI, no ?
You will also most likely need to hunt for some never-heard-before data and artifact-type hardware.
Reconciliation : maybe you CAN manage to actually understand them, and why they do what they do, in spite of force-fed "evidence" to the contrary.
You could probably really convince them that organics do have their merits, and that they don't really need to destroy entire civilizations to get what they might actually want.
Managing to rally the current galactic powers to a single cause might be a prerequisite for even coming into a position where you could manage to pull that off first though, and some heavy-duty classic military action will almost certainly be needed first.
You know, just off the top of my head.
Kill'em all : while they ARE indeed very powerful, the way they go about their business strongly suggests THEY know very well they are NOT invincible.
The way they seems to have done it before was mainly though sleeper agents and a lot of divide-and-conquer.
Also, seems like their arrival was heavily delayed, so they've got to contend with far more combined firepower from the current races.
Oh, and key point : current RACES. We were led to believe the previous harvest cycles would have mainly been against a single race. But now, almost certainly thanks to Prothean meddling, there's not just one race, but many races, and they're quite war-like.
It is completely conceivable that if you manage to unite the divided galaxy against a common enemy, you might actually succeed.
Drive them out : the current galactic powers understand much more about Mass Effect tech than previously harvested species, and that could prove to be the Reapers' undoing.
For instance, you could learn to truly master the Mass Relays and redirect the Reapers back into Dark Space every time they make (what they think) would be a normal jump, with their energy reserves too depleted to come back any time soon from there, and by the time they might actually get back, civilisation would have evolved enough to easily handle them.
Reverse indoctrination : you basically end up subjugating THEM instead.
You will almost certainly need to break the current Citadel laws and have a fully sentient AI on your side for that. How convenient that you have EDI, no ?
You will also most likely need to hunt for some never-heard-before data and artifact-type hardware.
Reconciliation : maybe you CAN manage to actually understand them, and why they do what they do, in spite of force-fed "evidence" to the contrary.
You could probably really convince them that organics do have their merits, and that they don't really need to destroy entire civilizations to get what they might actually want.
Managing to rally the current galactic powers to a single cause might be a prerequisite for even coming into a position where you could manage to pull that off first though, and some heavy-duty classic military action will almost certainly be needed first.
You know, just off the top of my head.
probably the way doctor who deals with things like this. Find a computer terminal, spout some bullshit technobabble and everything explodes.
We'll fire cute little kittens at them with rail guns until they are overwhelmed with human emotions and eventually just give up and leave the galaxy due to a conflict of interests.
..Oh, you meant seriously?
Two words: Krogan. Zerging.
Or: Thalix Cannons en-masse. Followed by or preceding the above two words.
..Oh, you meant seriously?
Two words: Krogan. Zerging.
Or: Thalix Cannons en-masse. Followed by or preceding the above two words.
Damn right!blind_dead_mcjones said:
Because remember, (he's got a rocket launcher and) he is swimming in antibiotics
I imagine much like this (artist's rendering)
Yeah, he has testicles for hands. You wanna fight about it?
Yeah, he has testicles for hands. You wanna fight about it?