So how would you feel if George Lucas died?
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I really don't think people really stand behind those words. People who are passionate about something and want to be heard will dip into the extremism pot so people will notice them.Sutter Cane said:
I choose to believe these people aren't horrific monsters, some of them just can't seem to break though the anger stage of grief.
Well, I've felt this "maybe Lucas just got lucky the first time around" for a decade now, and nothing he's done or said in that time has made me reconsider. He raped 'his' Star Wars IP, and made it walk the streets in a revealing outfit, wearing a metric ton of makeup over a face that seems to have been lifted an average dozen times now already. When Lucas went digital, I was hoping for a digital restoration of the source material, not inane digital effects added to it!
Then he really went there and ruined Indiana Jones... it's just a pity.
Hooray, we thought, original Star Wars is coming to BluRay! ...and he did it again. There's something really, really wrong with Mr. Lucas.
To be honest, I find it hard not to admire him for what he did/achieved in the early days, I really liked the first three Star Wars movies (4-6 to today's betrayed youth), and I considered Lucasarts games to be a great thing.
Death is about the only thing to keep this man from crapping on his own work. Maybe he was always like this, it just didn't show so obviously. Maybe he's really gone insane, and no one dares to point it out. Who knows. He's already done a thorough job of ruining it, so there's nothing that can undo all these awful alterations. He's just a jerk for doing it - over and over again. It's as if da Vinci came back from the dead to paint a mustache on the Mona Lisa, just because he could.
Then he really went there and ruined Indiana Jones... it's just a pity.
Hooray, we thought, original Star Wars is coming to BluRay! ...and he did it again. There's something really, really wrong with Mr. Lucas.
To be honest, I find it hard not to admire him for what he did/achieved in the early days, I really liked the first three Star Wars movies (4-6 to today's betrayed youth), and I considered Lucasarts games to be a great thing.
Death is about the only thing to keep this man from crapping on his own work. Maybe he was always like this, it just didn't show so obviously. Maybe he's really gone insane, and no one dares to point it out. Who knows. He's already done a thorough job of ruining it, so there's nothing that can undo all these awful alterations. He's just a jerk for doing it - over and over again. It's as if da Vinci came back from the dead to paint a mustache on the Mona Lisa, just because he could.
Star Wars was his life's work, and it was amazing and creative and controversial. The world was lucky to have him come along.
Nope, I did quite some thinking, as it really boggled my mind for a while.Bhaalspawn said:
My point is this: A movie is a work of art, with lots of professionals, artisans, wizards involved. Once a movie is released, it is 'done' - as in, it is finished. When I discuss a movie with my retarded little hip-hop cousin, I do not expect him to have seen the n-th Lucas-sacntioned, overdub remix remake spiced-up version of a movie. It's just not the way to go. It is not comparable to games, where an update or patch really can fix things that were borked. You do not 'fix' a movie.
If every achieved director went back and mutilated and sabotaged his own works of art, that also happen to involve the work and talent of, say, an average two hundred other people that worked their asses off to get the thing released, it's just a complete lack of restraint, modesty, intelligence and talent.
I am not just merely 'pissy', as you put it, I am appalled and angered as, yes, I do expect a movie that has been released thirty years ago to remain structurally intact and not be randomly altered. It's a very, very rude thing to do.
I'd be devastated if he died. His movies, and the works derived there from, are a big part of my life and my childhood. While he hasn't been doing as good work recently that doesn't take away from his body as a whole.
I'd be sad because a guys dead, but not really because I don't know him and the human mind is ridiculously selfish. Also death is a hard idea to understand.
What would be nice is hopefully pop culture interpretation would swing in his favour again. People would look at his earlier work, at the things he's created, how he took a one off film series and managed to create through his business a massive amazing expanded universe that people love even to this day. They would look at the way he really drove forward the special effects in huge ways, the way he managed to influence so many parts of the world, from Pixar to Robot Wars and that he's managed to do a lot of cool things for his drive forever better technology, and how he's made one of the most professional special effects companies around. He greenlit a lot of daring projects and gave actors and directors chances to break out and do something special.
It would be interesting to see what happened to the Star Wars franchise too. Either it becomes part of some corporate monolith and LucasArts starts winning lots of worst company ever polls or it becomes an era of revitalisation where a line can be drawn and we can get on with doing cool stuff in the world.
My biggest fear though is that we'd get a lot of 'I'm glad he's dead, now he can stop screwing up my childhood' comments, I'm not sure if I could really stand hearing those kind of words from people
What would be nice is hopefully pop culture interpretation would swing in his favour again. People would look at his earlier work, at the things he's created, how he took a one off film series and managed to create through his business a massive amazing expanded universe that people love even to this day. They would look at the way he really drove forward the special effects in huge ways, the way he managed to influence so many parts of the world, from Pixar to Robot Wars and that he's managed to do a lot of cool things for his drive forever better technology, and how he's made one of the most professional special effects companies around. He greenlit a lot of daring projects and gave actors and directors chances to break out and do something special.
It would be interesting to see what happened to the Star Wars franchise too. Either it becomes part of some corporate monolith and LucasArts starts winning lots of worst company ever polls or it becomes an era of revitalisation where a line can be drawn and we can get on with doing cool stuff in the world.
My biggest fear though is that we'd get a lot of 'I'm glad he's dead, now he can stop screwing up my childhood' comments, I'm not sure if I could really stand hearing those kind of words from people
Pretty indifferent.
Had you asked me this question 15 years ago, I'd probably give you another answer...but Mr. Lucas literally took my favorite movie franchise of all time, the one I obsessed over as a young nerdling more than any other, and completely destroyed it. Ran it into the ground and raped it with giant CGI cartoon rabbit ears.
Frankly it might be nice, maybe one of his kids who takes over the rights to the series can do something good with it, instead of beating it into the ground over and over and over. Not that I'm WISHING death on the man, but everyone dies...so when he does, I simply won't feel bad about it.
He's betrayed a good number of us, and I really won't miss him.
Had you asked me this question 15 years ago, I'd probably give you another answer...but Mr. Lucas literally took my favorite movie franchise of all time, the one I obsessed over as a young nerdling more than any other, and completely destroyed it. Ran it into the ground and raped it with giant CGI cartoon rabbit ears.
Frankly it might be nice, maybe one of his kids who takes over the rights to the series can do something good with it, instead of beating it into the ground over and over and over. Not that I'm WISHING death on the man, but everyone dies...so when he does, I simply won't feel bad about it.
He's betrayed a good number of us, and I really won't miss him.
I would think that's sad that another human being who was loved by many passed away and my thoughts go out to his family. I hate his films but I hold no grudge against him as a person. If you do your probably a little bit immature to put it politely.
Seeing as I don't enjoy the Star Wars films.. meh? I mean, I recognize the contributions he's made to film sure and that's awesome but I have no strong feelings to his work or his accomplishments. Would be a sad day for his fans that's for sure.
I don't know if I'd be more sad that the man responsible for one of my favorite movies had passed or that he didn't have the opportunity to do one last great film before he died. As it stands now he hasn't directed a good movie since 1983.
George Lucas was a figurehead in film, whether anyone likes his new movies or not. I will be sad that such a hallmark of the industry died, and also that he had to die where a lot of people would make stupid shallow statements about how it's okay that he died because his movies were crap.
It is always sad to see someone's career peter off into an end that doesn't live up to the prime of their work. It was unlikely, honestly, that Lucas would ever live up to the original Star Wars trilogy. This is the problem with artists; once they make a magnum opus, by definition nothing else is as good.
So if Lucas dies, I will give this event a sad moment of silence. He did a lot of good things for the industry. Anyone with your complaints about Jar Jar and someone shooting first and this somehow making it good or even okay for him to be dead, can go learn some empathy. ><
It is always sad to see someone's career peter off into an end that doesn't live up to the prime of their work. It was unlikely, honestly, that Lucas would ever live up to the original Star Wars trilogy. This is the problem with artists; once they make a magnum opus, by definition nothing else is as good.
So if Lucas dies, I will give this event a sad moment of silence. He did a lot of good things for the industry. Anyone with your complaints about Jar Jar and someone shooting first and this somehow making it good or even okay for him to be dead, can go learn some empathy. ><
Why? Why is it not comparable to video games getting patched, or the extended cut of mass effect 3? I see no meaningful difference. Although I guess by you logic that the only true version of Blade Runner is the theatrical cut, and not the vastly superior "final cut". and that the watchmen "ultimate cut" despite being a vastly superior film to the one that made it to theaters, should never have been released. There are numerous examples of films that have been vastly improved after their initial theatrical release, the only difference here is that yo don't like the changes, and because you have a different taste than the filmmaker you find his actions appalling.Headdrivehardscrew said:
My god, you really are a perfect example of the crappy "everything needs to be specifically catered to please me and only me" part of geek culture. Also just as an interesting note, on its release Indiana Jones 4 got loads of positive reviews an is STILL currently sitting at a 77% on rotten tomatoes, so clearly a few people liked it.
You know what's funny? Currently, I believe we agree to quite some extent, yet our views still manage to differ greatly. Ain't that great fun?Sutter Cane said:
See, I agree with you that a proper director's cut really meant something until just a little while back. I agree with you that the Blade Runner 're-cuts' or the Apocalypse Now 'lost footage' edition are remarkable, interesting and good.
Have you seen Brazil by Terry Gilliam? There's a special, royally messed up re-edited version of it that snipped it into shape so the consumers would get a less depressive ending. Universal's Mr. Sheinberg is the one responsible for this, just thought it was all a bit too gloomy for general consumption, not marketable and generally 'entartete Kunst'. Shame on him for that.
I would assume Mr. Gilliam was a very angry, very unhappy person in the three years of fighting windmills and the studio (and more probably than not himself) to get his baby out in a manner that pleased him, as a director.
There are many different cuts of Blade Runner, most 'bad' ones I know were cut for violence and running time, making a bunch of 'censored cuts' and some that I would probably call 'studio cuts', as the proper reasons behind them are probably a mix between same-old, same-old and internal... policies. The proper "Director's Cut", which had to be named "Final Cut", due to all life and meaning having been sucked out of the term "Director's Cut" by 2007, is genuine, proper, full-on Ridley Scott, and it's very much a must-have, must-own, must-know masterpiece. I fully agree with you on that one.
As to Mr. Lucas - well, my opinion is as good as yours, really, but it's different with Mr. Lucas. He rewrote the entire back history of what's easily the biggest success story of his oeuvre, and he keeps messing with his movies not in any way comparable to Blade Runner, Brazil or Apocalypse Now. He's on his own planet. Just some posts above our little exchange here, someone posted Darth Vader's NOOOOOOO! #1, and, as we all know, there's a NOOOOO! #2. They are not part of the original flavour of Star Wars, and they add nothing good to the story. It's pure inane asshattery.
Of course I prefer my point of view to yours, and I don't much like personal attacks. Now, shall we continue?
