So I finally tried Attack on Titan

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After years of seeing people gush over this series I finally sat down and watched the first episode. And I cannot see why this is so loved. I never really cared for anime but last year I sat down and watched Avatar for the first time and fell in love. But this? No.

So lets first start with the Animation. It's all over the place. There are some scenes which look breath taking. And the design of the titans them selves is amazing. That twisted, perverse and yet human look is just so chilling and great for the main threat. But there are some shots which are just aweful. So many close shots of people staring wide eyed, for little reason, kind of reminds me of Mass Effect Andromeda. Ok it works when the titans break through the walls and everyone is shocked/ horrified. But so many ordinary conversations have the same shot of someone's eyes looking like they're about to bulge out. And the stupid wind gush effect. I can see it being used to good effect when people are slinging around and there's lots of movement but when it get's used with otherwise no motion it comes off as a laughable attempt to make a scene more dramatic. For example early on a bunch of soldiers return from a failed expedition and the commander breaks down about he got everyone killed. That scene is good on it's own but adding this wind effect to the edges of the screen really took me out.

And on to the characters. Now granted it is very difficult to get a read on any character from just one episode. But really only one was really showed off and that's the little kid, and to a lesser extent his sister. And while the sister is just there for this episode (although I did get a chuckle when she chases off the bullies just by being there) that boy is so god fucking damn annoying. His only reaction is to shout at every last thing he comes across. And I get he's meant to be a bit of a wide-eyed dreamer who want's more and thinks everyone is complacent but by tap dancing Jesus they could've done a better job. And I also hate the trope that the kid is the only one who turns out to be right (in this case about the titans and the wall) and everyone else is too blind to see.
 

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spartandude said:
After years of seeing people gush over this series I finally sat down and watched the first episode. And I cannot see why this is so loved. I never really cared for anime but last year I sat down and watched Avatar for the first time and fell in love. But this? No.
Avatar isn't an anime, though. [footnote]Sure, if you use the Japanese definition of "anime" then it is, but so is every other animated show in the world.[/footnote] It's a Western-made series, created for a Western audience.
 

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I liked it for the first half dozen or so episodes. But then after a certain plot beat it just felt like tons of filler. Entire episodes dedicated to stuff that should have only taken minutes. The show lost all momentum and I had to force myself to finish it. Pretty disappointing since it started off so interesting
 

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It's a purely okay series with a fantastic director(he was the guy that did Death Note and High School of the Dead). Unfortunately, the anime itself is rather slow, and the second season is a mess(said director did not direct the second season). It's a decent popcorn anime. I think it was popular because it came out around the time of the Zombie explosion in media(and titans themselves are, giant-ism aside, more or less take the same role as zombies).

It got a lot of people into modern anime, which is rather cool, but so did Sword Art Online...and less said about that anime the better.
 

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Broderick said:
It's a purely okay series with a fantastic director(he was the guy that did Death Note and High School of the Dead). Unfortunately, the anime itself is rather slow, and the second season is a mess(said director did not direct the second season). It's a decent popcorn anime. I think it was popular because it came out around the time of the Zombie explosion in media(and titans themselves are, giant-ism aside, more or less take the same role as zombies).

It got a lot of people into modern anime, which is rather cool, but so did Sword Art Online...and less said about that anime the better.
Yeah, that's the thing about a lot of things that become huge hits--they come out at the right time and are pretty decent but not great. (For another example, see the novel and movie The Sheik.)

I never watched Sword Art Online, but the light novels are decent.
 

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spartandude said:
After years of seeing people gush over this series I finally sat down and watched the first episode. And I cannot see why this is so loved. I never really cared for anime but last year I sat down and watched Avatar for the first time and fell in love. But this? No.

So lets first start with the Animation. It's all over the place. There are some scenes which look breath taking. And the design of the titans them selves is amazing. That twisted, perverse and yet human look is just so chilling and great for the main threat. But there are some shots which are just aweful. So many close shots of people staring wide eyed, for little reason, kind of reminds me of Mass Effect Andromeda. Ok it works when the titans break through the walls and everyone is shocked/ horrified. But so many ordinary conversations have the same shot of someone's eyes looking like they're about to bulge out. And the stupid wind gush effect. I can see it being used to good effect when people are slinging around and there's lots of movement but when it get's used with otherwise no motion it comes off as a laughable attempt to make a scene more dramatic. For example early on a bunch of soldiers return from a failed expedition and the commander breaks down about he got everyone killed. That scene is good on it's own but adding this wind effect to the edges of the screen really took me out.

And on to the characters. Now granted it is very difficult to get a read on any character from just one episode. But really only one was really showed off and that's the little kid, and to a lesser extent his sister. And while the sister is just there for this episode (although I did get a chuckle when she chases off the bullies just by being there) that boy is so god fucking damn annoying. His only reaction is to shout at every last thing he comes across. And I get he's meant to be a bit of a wide-eyed dreamer who want's more and thinks everyone is complacent but by tap dancing Jesus they could've done a better job. And I also hate the trope that the kid is the only one who turns out to be right (in this case about the titans and the wall) and everyone else is too blind to see.
Give a watch to episode 2, which pretty much wraps up the intro to the series and gives to the main characters a clearer purpose.
 

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Attack on Titan has no really outstanding elements that make anime great. Of course elements that make anime outstanding are by its definition rare. If you want some good things to watch for beginners, I suggest Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, and if you're in for an acid trip The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. Those are some pretty good anime that should be watched in order.
 

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I read a bit of the manga, never watched the anime.
It was OK, but I didn't continue reading to the end, and I started reading only after 30something chapters were released...
 

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I had pretty much the same reaction, OP.

The concept seemed pretty cool and everybody was raving about it, so I gave it a shot.

Got about halfway through the first season before I gave up. It was basically four hours of obnoxious teens standing around and yelling at each other.

Then it hit me; Attack on Titan is basically The Walking Dead with giants. The monsters/Titans/zombies/whatever are just the backdrop for the drama between main characters.

The problem is the main characters were just annoying.
 

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Zen Bard said:
I had pretty much the same reaction, OP.

The concept seemed pretty cool and everybody was raving about it, so I gave it a shot.

Got about halfway through the first season before I gave up. It was basically four hours of obnoxious teens standing around and yelling at each other.

Then it hit me; Attack on Titan is basically The Walking Dead with giants. The monsters/Titans/zombies/whatever are just the backdrop for the drama between main characters.

The problem is the main characters were just annoying.
Pretty much this. It's The Walking Dead with giants.

Actually I consider it a whole different genre that those shows are like, because it's not really about the monsters. It's a show that worships death. Those two shows, Game Of Thrones, Akame Ga Kill...

All these shows are "Here's a puppy. Love it. Bond with it. You love the puppy right? Okay, now were killing it right in front of you!" and the viewer is suppose to get off on the shock/horror/sadness of seeing a character they care about die.... I can't judge, because hey I got suckered in by this kind of storytelling too, but I tell you, I think it's sick.
 

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To me, Attack on Titans has two mayor draws, none of which is apparent from the first episode (and both becomes irrelevant after a few episodes in):

- The path of the protagonist to became a badass. You know the drill: he is an underdog, less talented and less skilled than most, but he really wants this, so by sheer will power and determination he carves himself a place of respect in the world. It is pretty common of Shonen shows...

- The sense of finality and "no one is safe". Basically, this has the same characteristic than Game of Thrones in the sense that important characters die, a lot, and given the genre in which it works, it kills protagonists with relative, refreshing and quasi-realistic ease.

Of course, those points become mute after a few chapters:
- When you discover the protagonist is not the underdog, but actually the chosen one with the singular ability to become an uber titan and fight them in their own terms. He was, quite literally, breed to fight titans. That changes the dynamic of a lot of encounters from "lets fight to survive this" to "lets buy time so X can do what he does". Despite that discovery, he never abandons his angsty demeanor, which makes very difficult for me to root for him, even though he repeatedly is "the only chance for humanity".

- When you discover that the series does have protagonists, and they have plot armor as thick as any other Shonen series. There are a handful of characters that, no matter what you throw at them, will come back (and since you saw the first episode, I am sure you can identify them). The chapters like to cut away in a cliffhanger to make it look like I am wrong, but trust me, I am not. That, and the contrast with the rest of the cast, takes away a lot of the drama of the show, because it becomes clear they will survive no matter what, while the rest of the humans with any amount of development have a number on top of their heads counting down to their "shocking and unexpected" dead.
So, yeah... there are a lot of good shows out there, you are safe skipping this one.
 

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DudeistBelieve said:
Zen Bard said:
I had pretty much the same reaction, OP.

The concept seemed pretty cool and everybody was raving about it, so I gave it a shot.

Got about halfway through the first season before I gave up. It was basically four hours of obnoxious teens standing around and yelling at each other.

Then it hit me; Attack on Titan is basically The Walking Dead with giants. The monsters/Titans/zombies/whatever are just the backdrop for the drama between main characters.

The problem is the main characters were just annoying.
Pretty much this. It's The Walking Dead with giants.

Actually I consider it a whole different genre that those shows are like, because it's not really about the monsters. It's a show that worships death. Those two shows, Game Of Thrones, Akame Ga Kill...

All these shows are "Here's a puppy. Love it. Bond with it. You love the puppy right? Okay, now were killing it right in front of you!" and the viewer is suppose to get off on the shock/horror/sadness of seeing a character they care about die.... I can't judge, because hey I got suckered in by this kind of storytelling too, but I tell you, I think it's sick.
I disagree with you slightly. Because if it's done right, it can be pretty goddamn effective.

Take Game of Thrones, for example. George R. R. Martin has said that he wanted the reader (or viewer in the case of the show), to feel that none of the characters are safe. Anything can happen to anyone at any time. This sets up just how dangerous Westros can be. It also lets you know that this ain't no "Lord of the Rings". So that's a very valid and well executed (ha!) reason for knocking off main characters.

Of course, now a ton of shows are doing that to go for cheap shock value.That's not sick...it's just lazy writing.
 

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I've said this before, but once they stopped putting an emphasis on cool 3D movement steampunk jet powered Spider-man gear and more on Shouty McShoutface and his amazing powers of yelling (oh, and becoming a Titan), I lost all interest.

It was a truly horrifying world that kept me entranced for a few episodes. But they failed on every front to make it interesting once the plot got going.

I hear that the second season is better, but apparently that has even less action.
 

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I was thoroughly unimpressed by the first five episodes, at which point it turned into 10-metre tall naked people doing MMA. Then I was entranced.

Stick with it, is what I'm saying.
 

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I've seen the first season and tried rewatching it recently.

I love the concept, I really do. It's just the pacing is fucking awful. The intial attack and the fall of the outermost wall goes by nicely, but the battle for Trost feels like it takes forever, because every time the action starts to pick up, it grinds to a screeching halt by a flashback or a group of characters arguing with each other for what feels like an entire episode.

Maybe I should just watch Season 2 and see if I start liking it better.
 

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I like it because it's pretty on an audiovisual level.
It would've been much more interesting if eren just stayed a titan when transforming into one.
I was excited when that happened because I thought it would go full shintaro kago with people eventually all turning into titans while they desperately try to understand what is going on and then it zooms out and the titans are the protagonists from which point onward it all just spirals into madness but alas, it was just giant fighting robots yet again and on that front, it's competing with evangelion and gurren lagann and it sure as hell ain't winning those battles.