So I just cancelled my Pre-order for Mass Effect 3...

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Because honestly, has a single piece of GOOD news come out about the game in recent memory? I mean, it started with the multiplayer confirmation, which has been stated to have some influence over what happens in the singleplayer campaign. I don't know about you, but I don't want my multiplayer to be a mandatory component in getting the most out of my singleplayer campaign, mostly because I've come to realize that 98% of the people that spam the multiplayer servers (on any system) are absolute idiots, and I'd rather jump in front of a cement mixer then interact with them.
Edit: I'll admit that I was wrong about the multiplayer. I didn't know all the settings at the time, I'm sorry.

THEN there's the talk about how it's going to have 3 separate modes, Action mode, Story mode, and RPG mode. If this is news to you, it's basically a matter of Action mode making all the dialogue decisions for you, so that it completely ruins the entire point of playing the game, and then Story mode nerfs the action so that you can just dance through the main story without breaking a sweat. So, if you're any self respecting fan of Mass Effect, you're going to jump right into RPG mode and never look back. This scares me, because it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bioware is trying to coddle every schmuck with an X-box, and it's going to completely ruin any chance of finding competent people to play through the multiplayer with. Makes you wonder what else Bioware has done to make their newest game more idiot friendly, doesn't it? I mean, they've already completely changed the gameplay style to make it more idiot friendly in between ME1 and ME2.
clarification: It's not the multiple play modes themselves that anger me, it's the representation behind them. Bioware's trying to appeal to every idiot who plays Modern Warfare like it's their god, and I highly doubt that this is the extent of their idiot overhaul

AND THEN there's the E-mail my friend got from EA advertising what you'd get if you pre-ordered the game through Origins, the N7 set which includes, if my memory serves me correctly, the N7 Shotgun, the N7 Sniper Rifle, the N7 Pistol, and the N7 SMG. There's a little weapon missing from this list, don't you think? My favorite weapon from both games? Where is my assault rifle!? You can't honestly tell me that bioware has gone 'no, we need to be an ultra-realistic shooter game, we can't have big guns that are fun to use in our game'. I can't wait to see what little write off Bioware does to explain this one away.

THEN FINALLY, and this is the mac daddy issue I'm having with ME3, It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game. If you don't know the EA origins scandal by now, signing up for an account with them is basically giving EA permission to put spyware on your computer, so that they can watch your online activity whenever you're online, and they can go snooping thorough your hard drive whenever they want to. I know this last part isn't bioware's fault, but it's still a gargantuan issue, and a huge arguing point for why I won't be picking up Mass Effect 3.

Bioware, I love you, I loved mass effect 1 and mass effect 2, but there's simply too much wrong with ME3 for me to go in with high hopes and starry eyes. I don't need your game to live a perfectly normal human life, so it's not worth ruining one of my favorite franchises over, and it's MOST CERTAINLY not worth getting spyware on my computer for.

Anyway, /rant I guess. I'm just sad to see how far downhill ME3 is going. What do you guys think of all the press that ME3 is getting recently? Do you like it? Are you just as angry and skeptical as me? Do you think that I'm just whining too much? Have you heard any good news about ME3 that I haven't?
 

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It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game.
when did that get confirmed? TOR is also owned by EA but doesn't require Origin at all.
 

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Most of your complaints seem to be gameplay related (or Origin related). I seem to remember ME2 not being especially great gameplay wise. It was just that the story and general presentation of the game and series so far landslided (it's a word now) any other problems with the game.

Personally I haven't pre-ordered ME3 yet. But I will and I don't think I will be disappointed, no matter how hard EA try to screw it up.
 

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Yeah, I'm not to happy about that whole Online-Pass foolery. I may not even buy it, to be honest. I don't know. I for sure won't pre-order it.
 

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You are obviously free to do what you want with your money but are you serious here? Really?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113878-Bioware-Appeals-For-Calm-Regarding-Mass-Effect-3-Multiplayer
See this about your multi-player complaint

The mode thing is a problem for you? If I want to play the game for game play but hate the story, why can't I have that option? You have the option to play however you want, how in the world does this affect you in any way? It's like complaining because Devil May Cry includes an easy difficulty...

Now about the pre-order bonus, it's a pre-order bonus. Companies have been doing that forever. You are also assuming that because the gun you like to use isn't a per-order item, it MUST have been removed from the game. That's the only explanation, right?

Lastly, Origin has changed immensely since those "scandals". It's essentially STEAM at this point (although since it's owned by EA and not Valve, they obviously have hidden ulterior motives and will steal your identity, right?)

Again, it's your choice what you do but these are pretty flimsy reasons here.
 

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Amnestic said:
It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game.
when did that get confirmed? TOR is also owned by EA but doesn't require Origin at all.
INTERNET CONNECTION REQUIRED FOR PRODUCT ACTIVATION. INTERNET CONNECTION, EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT, ACCEPTANCE OF PRODUCT AND ORIGIN END USER LICENSE AGREEMENTS, INSTALLATION OF THE ORIGIN CLIENT SOFTWARE (WWW.ORIGIN.COM/ABOUT) AND REGISTRATION WITH ENCLOSED SINGLE-USE SERIAL CODE(S) REQUIRED TO PLAY, ACCESS BONUS CONTENT (IF ANY) AND ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES. SERIAL CODE REGISTRATION IS LIMITED TO ONE EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT PER SERIAL CODE. SERIAL CODE(S) ARE NON-TRANSFERABLE ONCE USED. EULAS AND ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES CAN BE FOUND AT WWW.EA.COM/1/PRODUCT-EULAS. EA ONLINE PRIVACY POLICY AND TERMS OF SERVICE CAN BE FOUND AT AT WWW.EA.COM. YOU MUST BE 13+ TO ACTIVATE SOFTWARE, ACCESS ONLINE FEATURES AND REGISTER FOR AN EA/ORIGIN ACCOUNT. EA MAY RETIRE ONLINE FEATURES AFTER 30 DAYS NOTICE POSTED ON WWW.EA.COM/2/SERVICE-UPDATES. EA MAY PROVIDE CERTAIN INCREMENTAL CONTENT AND/OR UPDATES FOR NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE, IF AND WHEN AVAILABLE.

This is from EA's website on the requirements for playing certain games
 

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Well, you do seem to be filtering out all the good news. Like having Liara, Garrus and Tali on your squad. The spyware stuff with Origins has been mostly cleaned up now, with EA changing the EULA to be more friendly.
The Action/RPG/Story modes are simply there. they don't force you to do anything. You can still play the game choosing all your conversation options, while having the difficulty jacked up high.
As for the multiplayer, it's confirmed to be merely co-op, as well as you being able to get full everything without ever going online.
Sure, overall the changes may not be necessary, but they will help the game sell more. Which will enable Bioware to make even more awesome games oner time.

So, yes, I do think you are whining too much.

EDIT: And I'm guessing they'll throw the N7 rifle in so anyone can use it. Just because it's not a bonus doesn't mean it's not in the game.
 

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SargentToughie said:
This is from EA's website on the requirements for playing certain games
I bolded the operative word. Certain games. Which means ME3 might not be one of them just as TOR isn't. I'm still waiting for confirmation one way or another.
 

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Amnestic said:
SargentToughie said:
This is from EA's website on the requirements for playing certain games
I bolded the operative word. Certain games. Which means ME3 might not be one of them just as TOR isn't. I'm still waiting for confirmation one way or another.
that came from the ME3 section, I scrolled down to the Mass Effect 3 section, copied the article, and pasted it for your viewing pleasure
 

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Sigh.

It's actually been stated that the MP doesn't effect your SP experience at all, aside from allowing you to get to the end game without completing all of SP. You still have the choice to do it all, so you're not missing out on anything.

Why does the three modes concern you? It gives the player more choice, which can't be a bad thing, and you can still play the full experience if you choose to do so.

As far as I know, pre-order packs don't include every gun in the game. I'd wait for official confirmation that there isn't an assault rifle at all before raging.

Why are you concerned about an online pass when you don't want the MP in the game and have it pre-ordered anyway? You do know what an online pass is, right? As for Origin, people have already bypassed it with BF3, so I'm sure it'll be easily enough negated.

TLDR - OP = storm in a teacup.
 

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.320160-Bioware-Appeals-For-Calm-Regarding-Mass-Effect-3-Multiplayer

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Issue one, disregarded.

Issue two, I personally don't give a toss. I'll probably play all of the modes at least once, just to see what they're like then, if I replay the game after all of those plays, stick to the one I enjoyed.

Issue three, it could've probably been a typo. And as someone said, just because it's not in the list doesn't mean it might not be in the game.

Issue four, I have no opinion as I'm one of those console gamers that they're dumbing the game down for, HEEEEEEEEEERP DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP, I IZ SIMPLE. -_-
 

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Sassafrass said:
Issue four, I have no opinion as I'm one of those console gamers that they're dumbing the game down for, HEEEEEEEEEERP DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP, I IZ SIMPLE. -_-
I know what you mean! All hail the glorious console gaming master race!

Which end does the mouse go in the Xbox again?
 

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SargentToughie said:
I don't know about you, but I don't want my multiplayer to be a mandatory component in getting the most out of my singleplayer campaign
It isn't.

It's a way for people who don't like the singleplayer that much to be as successful at singleplayer via multiplayer. Think of it as a scale of 1 to 100 for your defense forces readiness against the reapers. If you complete goals in the singleplayer alone you can get that rating up to 100. But if you find singleplayer boring and want to skip some of the quests while still getting a good ending, you can play the multiplayer to get that score up to 100.


SargentToughie said:
THEN there's the talk about how it's going to have 3 separate modes, Action mode, Story mode, and RPG mode. If this is news to you, it's basically a matter of Action mode making all the dialogue decisions for you, so that it completely ruins the entire point of playing the game, and then Story mode nerfs the action so that you can just dance through the main story without breaking a sweat. So, if you're any self respecting fan of Mass Effect, you're going to jump right into RPG mode and never look back. This scares me, because it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bioware is trying to coddle every schmuck with an X-box, and it's going to completely ruin any chance of finding competent people to play through the multiplayer with. Makes you wonder what else Bioware has done to make their newest game more idiot friendly, doesn't it? I mean, they've already completely changed the gameplay style to make it more idiot friendly in between ME1 and ME2.
I don't see why this is annoying to you? They are giving you the option to play it in the same way as before and just trying to get mass appeal without estranging the hardcore players. Do you also get angry over difficulty settings? How dare everyone not be required to play this game the way I play it. Man can you believe that Doom let people click the "i'm to young to die" setting? That game was so carebear.

SargentToughie said:
AND THEN there's the E-mail my friend got from EA advertising what you'd get if you pre-ordered the game through Origins, the N7 set which includes, if my memory serves me correctly, the N7 Shotgun, the N7 Sniper Rifle, the N7 Pistol, and the N7 SMG. There's a little weapon missing from this list, don't you think? My favorite weapon from both games? Where is my assault rifle!? You can't honestly tell me that bioware has gone 'no, we need to be an ultra-realistic shooter game, we can't have big guns that are fun to use in our game'. I can't wait to see what little write off Bioware does to explain this one away.
http://volpinprops.blogspot.com/2011/07/n7-rifle-mass-effect-3.html

There is an N7 rifle. You're kind of an alarmist aren't you.

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THEN FINALLY, and this is the mac daddy issue I'm having with ME3, It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game. If you don't know the EA origins scandal by now, signing up for an account with them is basically giving EA permission to put spyware on your computer, so that they can watch your online activity whenever you're online, and they can go snooping thorough your hard drive whenever they want to. I know this last part isn't bioware's fault, but it's still a gargantuan issue, and a huge arguing point for why I won't be picking up Mass Effect 3.
This is the reason why I have not ordered ME3 and have no plans to order or purchase it thus far. I'm avoiding origin like the plague and plan to never get it. If the game comes out on steam, or on a DVD(that does not require Origin) then I will buy it. Otherwise no thanks.
 

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TimeLord said:
I seem to remember ME2 not being especially great gameplay wise.
Most people seem to disagree with that.

Nah, I suppose it doesn't matter. They lost me with 2's crappy story. Still, I got seriously flamed for suggesting the gameplay was anything short of amazing.
 

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TimeLord said:
Sassafrass said:
Issue four, I have no opinion as I'm one of those console gamers that they're dumbing the game down for, HEEEEEEEEEERP DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP, I IZ SIMPLE. -_-
I know what you mean! All hail the glorious console gaming master race!

Which end does the mouse go in the Xbox again?
You gotta weld it to the Hard Drive, I think.
 

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Alright, I was wrong about the multiplayer component, I'll admit that. As for the multiple game modes, it's not the modes that scare me, just what they represent.
 

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SargentToughie said:
THEN FINALLY, and this is the mac daddy issue I'm having with ME3, It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game. If you don't know the EA origins scandal by now, signing up for an account with them is basically giving EA permission to put spyware on your computer, so that they can watch your online activity whenever you're online, and they can go snooping thorough your hard drive whenever they want to. I know this last part isn't bioware's fault, but it's still a gargantuan issue, and a huge arguing point for why I won't be picking up Mass Effect 3.
Oh gods... how I love that argument. It's so ridiculous it's actually funny. You use Steam? You use Windows? You use a web browser? Great, You have 3 times as much "spyware" as Origin. If You have iPhone you are even "spyware'ed" in Real Life. You know what Origin does? It scans the file structure to check for games that associated with Origin. It doesn't read the files, only checks whenever they exist.

But, as always, people will believe what they want... after all They are watching. They have the satellites, watching each of Your moves. Don't let Them catch You. Remember Area51....
 

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You are obviously free to do what you want with your money but are you serious here? Really?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113878-Bioware-Appeals-For-Calm-Regarding-Mass-Effect-3-Multiplayer
See this about your multi-player complaint

The mode thing is a problem for you? If I want to play the game for game play but hate the story, why can't I have that option? You have the option to play however you want, how in the world does this affect you in any way? It's like complaining because Devil May Cry includes an easy difficulty...
The question is, if you hate the story, what were you doing when playing the first two Mass Effects? Although, the Mass Effect games may have increased their third person shooter aspirations, but really I'm quite certain that the people (including myself) who have being playing the ME games up until now are looking forward to the game in order to find out what happens next, not because they get to shoot things. Or to put it another way, it's not the fact that we're shooting Cerberus agents that concerns me, more the fact that we're shooting Cerberus agents. I still don't know why that's going on (and no, I don't want to, not till I find out in the game anyway). There are plenty of other games people can play if they just want to shoot things without having to select dialogue options and the like.

Also, this isn't like complaining about DmC having an easy difficulty - after all, the last two ME games have had difficulty levels. This would be more akin to Devil May Cry including different play modes: one that had the game automatically complete all the combat sections for you and another that took over for you during any platforming sections there may be.
After all, some people might really hate that stuff, but still want to play the game.

Not that any of this really bothers me that, but just saying.

That said, we still better have difficulty levels. And a hot tub on the Normandy.
 

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SargentToughie said:
Alright, I was wrong about the multiplayer component, I'll admit that. As for the multiple game modes, it's not the modes that scare me, just what they represent.
And what do they represent?
Because all I got from that part of your OP was "Xbox players suck, they're ruining my game because they aren't the glorious PC master race, raggle blargle."