So I just cancelled my Pre-order for Mass Effect 3...

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SargentToughie said:
Because honestly, has a single piece of GOOD news come out about the game in recent memory? I mean, it started with the multiplayer confirmation, which has been stated to have some influence over what happens in the singleplayer campaign. I don't know about you, but I don't want my multiplayer to be a mandatory component in getting the most out of my singleplayer campaign, mostly because I've come to realize that 98% of the people that spam the multiplayer servers (on any system) are absolute idiots, and I'd rather jump in front of a cement mixer then interact with them.
Bioware has stated that multiplayer is most definitelly NOT required to get everything out of single-player. You can do everything in the single player portion and never need the multiplayer. The multiplayer only exists to give people an alternate way to gain resources. Also, they need SOMETHING to hide behind an online pass.

THEN there's the talk about how it's going to have 3 separate modes, Action mode, Story mode, and RPG mode. If this is news to you, it's basically a matter of Action mode making all the dialogue decisions for you, so that it completely ruins the entire point of playing the game, and then Story mode nerfs the action so that you can just dance through the main story without breaking a sweat. So, if you're any self respecting fan of Mass Effect, you're going to jump right into RPG mode and never look back. This scares me, because it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bioware is trying to coddle every schmuck with an X-box, and it's going to completely ruin any chance of finding competent people to play through the multiplayer with. Makes you wonder what else Bioware has done to make their newest game more idiot friendly, doesn't it? I mean, they've already completely changed the gameplay style to make it more idiot friendly in between ME1 and ME2.
That was for an early demo/alpha mode. Also used for demonstrations. They do this so they can get people in and out in a timely fashion. Chances are, this will be changed.

AND THEN there's the E-mail my friend got from EA advertising what you'd get if you pre-ordered the game through Origins, the N7 set which includes, if my memory serves me correctly, the N7 Shotgun, the N7 Sniper Rifle, the N7 Pistol, and the N7 SMG. There's a little weapon missing from this list, don't you think? My favorite weapon from both games? Where is my assault rifle!? You can't honestly tell me that bioware has gone 'no, we need to be an ultra-realistic shooter game, we can't have big guns that are fun to use in our game'. I can't wait to see what little write off Bioware does to explain this one away.
They're just pre-order weapons. Don't seem like that big of a deal.

THEN FINALLY, and this is the mac daddy issue I'm having with ME3, It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game. If you don't know the EA origins scandal by now, signing up for an account with them is basically giving EA permission to put spyware on your computer, so that they can watch your online activity whenever you're online, and they can go snooping thorough your hard drive whenever they want to. I know this last part isn't bioware's fault, but it's still a gargantuan issue, and a huge arguing point for why I won't be picking up Mass Effect 3.
Well, if you're on the console, Origin is only required if you want to play online. Which sucks, yes, but it's just like an EA account. As for PC, well yeah that sucks. Totally agree.

Bioware, I love you, I loved mass effect 1 and mass effect 2, but there's simply too much wrong with ME3 for me to go in with high hopes and starry eyes. I don't need your game to live a perfectly normal human life, so it's not worth ruining one of my favorite franchises over, and it's MOST CERTAINLY not worth getting spyware on my computer for.
Hey, at least you didn't have the whole story spoiled for you through people who data-mined the beta. I'm not pissed because the story was spoiled, I'm pissed because the story is complete crap.

Anyway, /rant I guess. I'm just sad to see how far downhill ME3 is going. What do you guys think of all the press that ME3 is getting recently? Do you like it? Are you just as angry and skeptical as me? Do you think that I'm just whining too much? Have you heard any good news about ME3 that I haven't?
Seems they're going balls-out in trying to rope the "mainstream call of duty" audience they so covet. Not exactly a bad thing, but I'm just sad to see what could have been an amazing space-opera get turned into just another action game set in space.

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TimeLord said:
I seem to remember ME2 not being especially great gameplay wise.
Most people seem to disagree with that.

Nah, I suppose it doesn't matter. They lost me with 2's crappy story. Still, I got seriously flamed for suggesting the gameplay was anything short of amazing.
Ugh, the reason I'm not re-playing through ME2 again(apart from the crappy story) is the fact that the gameplay is just boring. Does nothing interesting, just wholly "meh". Then again, Bioware games have never had good gameplay. Well, except for MDK 2.
 

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SargentToughie said:
Alright, I was wrong about the multiplayer component, I'll admit that. As for the multiple game modes, it's not the modes that scare me, just what they represent.
And what do they represent?
Because all I got from that part of your OP was "Xbox players suck, they're ruining my game because they aren't the glorious PC master race, raggle blargle."
That's not what I meant at all, though I admit that I could have phrased that better. Every stupid person that likes to call himself a 'gamer' owns a 360 and the newest modern warfare game, and that's ALL THEY EVER PLAY, and they worship the Modern Military Shooter genre on high without looking at everything else gaming has to offer.

Bioware is trying to appeal to those idiots. It's not a matter of Xbox users are total idiots, it's that most idiots just have Xboxes, because it's cheaper then a PS3.
 

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Because honestly, has a single piece of GOOD news come out about the game in recent memory? I mean, it started with the multiplayer confirmation, which has been stated to have some influence over what happens in the singleplayer campaign. I don't know about you, but I don't want my multiplayer to be a mandatory component in getting the most out of my singleplayer campaign, mostly because I've come to realize that 98% of the people that spam the multiplayer servers (on any system) are absolute idiots, and I'd rather jump in front of a cement mixer then interact with them.
Edit: I'll admit that I was wrong about the multiplayer. I didn't know all the settings at the time, I'm sorry.

THEN there's the talk about how it's going to have 3 separate modes, Action mode, Story mode, and RPG mode. If this is news to you, it's basically a matter of Action mode making all the dialogue decisions for you, so that it completely ruins the entire point of playing the game, and then Story mode nerfs the action so that you can just dance through the main story without breaking a sweat. So, if you're any self respecting fan of Mass Effect, you're going to jump right into RPG mode and never look back. This scares me, because it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bioware is trying to coddle every schmuck with an X-box, and it's going to completely ruin any chance of finding competent people to play through the multiplayer with. Makes you wonder what else Bioware has done to make their newest game more idiot friendly, doesn't it? I mean, they've already completely changed the gameplay style to make it more idiot friendly in between ME1 and ME2.

AND THEN there's the E-mail my friend got from EA advertising what you'd get if you pre-ordered the game through Origins, the N7 set which includes, if my memory serves me correctly, the N7 Shotgun, the N7 Sniper Rifle, the N7 Pistol, and the N7 SMG. There's a little weapon missing from this list, don't you think? My favorite weapon from both games? Where is my assault rifle!? You can't honestly tell me that bioware has gone 'no, we need to be an ultra-realistic shooter game, we can't have big guns that are fun to use in our game'. I can't wait to see what little write off Bioware does to explain this one away.

THEN FINALLY, and this is the mac daddy issue I'm having with ME3, It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game. If you don't know the EA origins scandal by now, signing up for an account with them is basically giving EA permission to put spyware on your computer, so that they can watch your online activity whenever you're online, and they can go snooping thorough your hard drive whenever they want to. I know this last part isn't bioware's fault, but it's still a gargantuan issue, and a huge arguing point for why I won't be picking up Mass Effect 3.

Bioware, I love you, I loved mass effect 1 and mass effect 2, but there's simply too much wrong with ME3 for me to go in with high hopes and starry eyes. I don't need your game to live a perfectly normal human life, so it's not worth ruining one of my favorite franchises over, and it's MOST CERTAINLY not worth getting spyware on my computer for.

Anyway, /rant I guess. I'm just sad to see how far downhill ME3 is going. What do you guys think of all the press that ME3 is getting recently? Do you like it? Are you just as angry and skeptical as me? Do you think that I'm just whining too much? Have you heard any good news about ME3 that I haven't?
How is having three different modes a problem for you? It's actually a good things since it can appeal to more people. You'd still have your beloved RPG mode but some people may be in it for only the action or the story.
 

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What killed the game for me was the atrocious writing and the one-sided handling of the morality system and import decisions.
 

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How is having three different modes a problem for you? It's actually a good things since it can appeal to more people. You'd still have your beloved RPG mode but some people may be in it for only the action or the story.
It's not the multiple play modes themselves that anger me, it's the fact this is a first warning sign that Bioware's trying to appeal to the idiot modern warfare crowd.
 

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MarsProbe said:
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You are obviously free to do what you want with your money but are you serious here? Really?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113878-Bioware-Appeals-For-Calm-Regarding-Mass-Effect-3-Multiplayer
See this about your multi-player complaint

The mode thing is a problem for you? If I want to play the game for game play but hate the story, why can't I have that option? You have the option to play however you want, how in the world does this affect you in any way? It's like complaining because Devil May Cry includes an easy difficulty...
The question is, if you hate the story, what were you doing when playing the first two Mass Effects? Although, the Mass Effect games may have increased their third person shooter aspirations, but really I'm quite certain that the people (including myself) who have being playing the ME games up until now are looking forward to the game in order to find out what happens next, not because they get to shoot things. Or to put it another way, it's not the fact that we're shooting Cerberus agents that concerns me, more the fact that we're shooting Cerberus agents. I still don't know why that's going on (and no, I don't want to, not till I find out in the game anyway). There are plenty of other games people can play if they just want to shoot things without having to select dialogue options and the like.

Also, this isn't like complaining about DmC having an easy difficulty - after all, the last two ME games have had difficulty levels. This would be more akin to Devil May Cry including different play modes: one that had the game automatically complete all the combat sections for you and another that took over for you during any platforming sections there may be.
After all, some people might really hate that stuff, but still want to play the game.

Not that any of this really bothers me that, but just saying.

That said, we still better have difficulty levels. And a hot tub on the Normandy.
I still don't understand why it would matter. The "talking wheel" setup gets skipped if you play the ACTION way. You don't skip the story, you skip all the middle stuff of setting up Shepard how you want him to be. If I like the story and game-play but don't like having to slough through the endless dialogue options to do it, why can't I? That's all Bioware is doing, giving the option to skip the dialogue options. I'm still going to get to see the story and I get to play the game, I just get to automatically skip the stuff that I was button mashing to get through anyway.

If you want to play the game where you get dialogue and shooter, you still have the option. Bioware hasn't decided to remove the stuff that made it your story.
 

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Meh, I wasnt going to get it anyway, cant they just make another Baldurs gate game already? :D

It would be nice to have that fantastic gameplay (With additions) In the current generation of graphics.

Edit: I cba with the online pass malarkey, after dead space 2 I'll not trust it ever again since I bought it new and then I couldnt play multiplayer for some bizarre reason, also the first time I've tried game support and they have just drawn a blank! So I got a refund and got to play singleplayer a couple times on it, now it sits collecting dust until I feel like conquering the hardest difficulty eventually
 

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Sassafrass said:
TimeLord said:
Sassafrass said:
Issue four, I have no opinion as I'm one of those console gamers that they're dumbing the game down for, HEEEEEEEEEERP DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP, I IZ SIMPLE. -_-
I know what you mean! All hail the glorious console gaming master race!

Which end does the mouse go in the Xbox again?
You gotta weld it to the Hard Drive, I think.
...
I love you guys.

And i'm a PS3 gamer! D:
Uh, I mean- Hmph! Stupid xbros, it's not like i'm a-agreeing with you people or anything... *blush*
S-so don't get the wrong idea, got that?
 

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Multiplayer is an options component to the game. It won't deter from the single player as I've heard. This is good as I could care less about the experience. Since you don't intend to play it...you'll never need to enter in your online pass if you buy the game. One less irritating task.

The game modes have no impact on your experience. I love the idea personally and just view it as an evolved method of incorporating difficulty levels into a game. Just play RPG mode like 99% of us and put the others out of your mind along with multiplayer.

The crux of your concern is something that cannot be dealt with. If you hate EA or hate Origin, there is almost no chance of them doing anything to make things better for you come March.

Have I heard some good news about ME3 lately? No. I imagine we'll be getting some interesting details in the new year. For now, the only thing keeping my interest in ME3 is the fact that the prior two titles were excellent and that I want to continue the story.
 

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SargentToughie said:
Because honestly, has a single piece of GOOD news come out about the game in recent memory? I mean, it started with the multiplayer confirmation, which has been stated to have some influence over what happens in the singleplayer campaign. I don't know about you, but I don't want my multiplayer to be a mandatory component in getting the most out of my singleplayer campaign, mostly because I've come to realize that 98% of the people that spam the multiplayer servers (on any system) are absolute idiots, and I'd rather jump in front of a cement mixer then interact with them.
Edit: I'll admit that I was wrong about the multiplayer. I didn't know all the settings at the time, I'm sorry.

THEN there's the talk about how it's going to have 3 separate modes, Action mode, Story mode, and RPG mode. If this is news to you, it's basically a matter of Action mode making all the dialogue decisions for you, so that it completely ruins the entire point of playing the game, and then Story mode nerfs the action so that you can just dance through the main story without breaking a sweat. So, if you're any self respecting fan of Mass Effect, you're going to jump right into RPG mode and never look back. This scares me, because it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Bioware is trying to coddle every schmuck with an X-box, and it's going to completely ruin any chance of finding competent people to play through the multiplayer with. Makes you wonder what else Bioware has done to make their newest game more idiot friendly, doesn't it? I mean, they've already completely changed the gameplay style to make it more idiot friendly in between ME1 and ME2.
clarification: It's not the multiple play modes themselves that anger me, it's the representation behind them. Bioware's trying to appeal to every idiot who plays Modern Warfare like it's their god, and I highly doubt that this is the extent of their idiot overhaul

AND THEN there's the E-mail my friend got from EA advertising what you'd get if you pre-ordered the game through Origins, the N7 set which includes, if my memory serves me correctly, the N7 Shotgun, the N7 Sniper Rifle, the N7 Pistol, and the N7 SMG. There's a little weapon missing from this list, don't you think? My favorite weapon from both games? Where is my assault rifle!? You can't honestly tell me that bioware has gone 'no, we need to be an ultra-realistic shooter game, we can't have big guns that are fun to use in our game'. I can't wait to see what little write off Bioware does to explain this one away.

THEN FINALLY, and this is the mac daddy issue I'm having with ME3, It's owned by EA, so it has online passes and you are required to sign up for EA Origins in order to play the game. If you don't know the EA origins scandal by now, signing up for an account with them is basically giving EA permission to put spyware on your computer, so that they can watch your online activity whenever you're online, and they can go snooping thorough your hard drive whenever they want to. I know this last part isn't bioware's fault, but it's still a gargantuan issue, and a huge arguing point for why I won't be picking up Mass Effect 3.

Bioware, I love you, I loved mass effect 1 and mass effect 2, but there's simply too much wrong with ME3 for me to go in with high hopes and starry eyes. I don't need your game to live a perfectly normal human life, so it's not worth ruining one of my favorite franchises over, and it's MOST CERTAINLY not worth getting spyware on my computer for.

Anyway, /rant I guess. I'm just sad to see how far downhill ME3 is going. What do you guys think of all the press that ME3 is getting recently? Do you like it? Are you just as angry and skeptical as me? Do you think that I'm just whining too much? Have you heard any good news about ME3 that I haven't?
About the N7 assault rifle: Isn't that the Avenger? or the Mattock (Honestly I wouldn't know, I play as an Adept 3/5 times)
 

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SargentToughie said:
Sassafrass said:
SargentToughie said:
Alright, I was wrong about the multiplayer component, I'll admit that. As for the multiple game modes, it's not the modes that scare me, just what they represent.
And what do they represent?
Because all I got from that part of your OP was "Xbox players suck, they're ruining my game because they aren't the glorious PC master race, raggle blargle."
That's not what I meant at all, though I admit that I could have phrased that better. Every stupid person that likes to call himself a 'gamer' owns a 360 and the newest modern warfare game, and that's ALL THEY EVER PLAY, and they worship the Modern Military Shooter genre on high without looking at everything else gaming has to offer.

Bioware is trying to appeal to those idiots. It's not a matter of Xbox users are total idiots, it's that most idiots just have Xboxes, because it's cheaper then a PS3.
So you have a problem with the game being made to be enjoyed by as many people as possible?
 

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albinoterrorist said:
Sassafrass said:
TimeLord said:
Sassafrass said:
Issue four, I have no opinion as I'm one of those console gamers that they're dumbing the game down for, HEEEEEEEEEERP DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERP, I IZ SIMPLE. -_-
I know what you mean! All hail the glorious console gaming master race!

Which end does the mouse go in the Xbox again?
You gotta weld it to the Hard Drive, I think.
...
I love you guys.

And i'm a PS3 gamer! D:
Uh, I mean- Hmph! Stupid xbros, it's not like i'm a-agreeing with you people or anything... *blush*
S-so don't get the wrong idea, got that?
Yeah, let's make our own co-op group, with our own casino and everything!
In heaven, The owners are Volus, the Bartenders are Turian, the Strippers are asari, the Bouncers are Krogan, the DJ's a Hanar and the groundskeeper's a Batarian.

In hell The owner's a Batarian, the Bartenders are Hanar, the Strippers are Krogan, the Bouncers are Volus, the DJ's an Asari and the groundskeeper's a Turian.
 

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SargentToughie said:
That's not what I meant at all, though I admit that I could have phrased that better. Every stupid person that likes to call himself a 'gamer' owns a 360 and the newest modern warfare game, and that's ALL THEY EVER PLAY, and they worship the Modern Military Shooter genre on high without looking at everything else gaming has to offer.

Bioware is trying to appeal to those idiots. It's not a matter of Xbox users are total idiots, it's that most idiots just have Xboxes, because it's cheaper then a PS3.
Maybe you could have worded that a bit better, as it does seem you blanketed all 360 owners under the "Derp" banner in your OP and that's how I read it. XP

Anyways, it's not like Bioware have up and said "Right, we need to get new players in. I know, lets make the game play itself." Yes, they've given you the option to blitz through the game, just shooting aliens in the face and yes, they're appealing to a customer base who would probably never look twice at the ME games.[footnote]By this I mean the people who play nothing but CoD, not the other fans.[/footnote] Think about it, it's one of three modes available to you and the majority of the people who will buy ME3 are the fans of ME1 and 2, who will play the RPG mode. Plus as for those people you listed in your reply, they probably wouldn't buy it anyway as they'd know nothing about the ME universe, so why buy into the series at the final game of Shepards story, if not the whole ME franchise?

As for the MP issue relating to this, while I can see your point, it probably won't be too hard to find a small group of people here to play through it with. Plus, I'll admit this, you'll be on the PC. You'll probably find a ton of people of people who will wanna play the MP properly, including friends.

Anyways, all this talk of ME3 has made me wanna go play ME2.
So off I go.

EDIT: Wooooo, typos!
 

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WAHHH! They have added an entirely optional Co-op mode!

WAHHH! Bioware is trying to appeal to more people! Not just the hardcore RPG yes-I-find-inventory-management-fun crowd!

WAAHHHHHH!! Bioware isn't giving me exactly what I wanted! I dont care if they've never promised, mentioned or said they were going to include it. I WANT. I WANT. I WANT.

WWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!! Fuck Origin! I don't care if they amended the TOS and the "It's just spyware" bullshit is in fact bullshit, I sound much less of an idiot if I just ignore all these developments! How am I supposed to remain furious if i rely on things like "Facts"? I don't care if I could easily just open Origin in a sandbox should my overt paranoia take over!

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All your complaints, ALL of them, are pathetic. In order they are, problem with an optional feature, problem with optional features, "i'm an entitled ass" syndrome, and paranoia driven ignorance.

You've got no problems with the gameplay, not the story, not the characters or setting, not the graphics NOTHING to do with the actual GAME part of the damn GAME. If you don't want to play this game, be my guest, I hope you don't. It's "Gamers" like you that keep gaming from being a socially accepted pastime.

You are a child, an infant, an immature brat and you make "Modern Warfare 3 idiots" look like fucking Aristotle.
 

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SargentToughie said:
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How is having three different modes a problem for you? It's actually a good things since it can appeal to more people. You'd still have your beloved RPG mode but some people may be in it for only the action or the story.
It's not the multiple play modes themselves that anger me, it's the fact this is a first warning sign that Bioware's trying to appeal to the idiot modern warfare crowd.
Because heaven forbid that people want to play the game differently to how you would like to, or enjoy games that you don't.
Having seen the screenshots from the leaked beta, it looks like you can still customise your playstyle within the 'action, story, RPG' thing. Want to choose how the story progresses and like fiddly RPG elements, but don't want to struggle in combat? You can do that! Want the mass effect 2 style of action and dialogue, but don't like stat trees? That's an option too!
Every developer wants to appeal to as broad a range of consumers as possible, unless they're as needlessly hipster-ish as the 'core gamer' group can be. Bioware seem to have found a way to do this without alienating people by making the very workings of the game customisable, yet people are still complaining. I don't get it.

Yes, there's a 'dumbed down' action mode for those who want it. But you can't complain that that's indicative of the entire game being made stupider when they've also gone to some effort to make a more complex version for those glorious few who can master levelling up.
 

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I love you guys.

And i'm a PS3 gamer! D:
Uh, I mean- Hmph! Stupid xbros, it's not like i'm a-agreeing with you people or anything... *blush*
S-so don't get the wrong idea, got that?
I've already got the wrong idea.
Besides, I personally think console wars are pointless, so...yeah. :D

Josh12345 said:
Yeah, let's make our own co-op group, with our own casino and everything!
In heaven, The owners are Volus, the Bartenders are Turian, the Strippers are asari, the Bouncers are Krogan, the DJ's a Hanar and the groundskeeper's a Batarian.

In hell The owner's a Batarian, the Bartenders are Hanar, the Strippers are Krogan, the Bouncers are Volus, the DJ's an Asari and the groundskeeper's a Turian.
Thanks for that mental image of Krogan strippers, it's forever embedded into my mind now.
 

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The N7 assault rifle you will get in the game.The other n7 weapons are a bonus for the collector edition.

I can see where your coming from.Ill play through the MP after I finish the single player 1 or 2 times then ill stop.