Dammit, there's always someone that can condense my thoughts into one or two concise paragraphs.CrazyGirl17 said:
You, I like the way you think.
So, I just saw Evangelion 3.0 (BIG rant and spoilers)
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You, I like the way you think.
There's one more reason that Q was decent: Beast mode on Unit-02, while Asuka was piloting, it was a kitty! :3Nouw said:
(Or a sabretooth kitty...I'm a cat person. So that made me want my own EVA Unit in real life even more.)
You mentioned the soundtrack: Holy crap, that man is godly with his work.
I likes Rebuild 1.0
I really liked Rebuild 2.0
I was so looking forward to 3.0
And then I watched it.
What the hell. What the hell is this, Gainax? Oh it's all very pretty certainly, but I came here for robots, aliens, and crazy crazy Mari; not a bloody impromptu piano lesson.
I really liked Rebuild 2.0
I was so looking forward to 3.0
And then I watched it.
What the hell. What the hell is this, Gainax? Oh it's all very pretty certainly, but I came here for robots, aliens, and crazy crazy Mari; not a bloody impromptu piano lesson.
RipVanTinkle said:
Heh, it seems we share a common dislike.Loop Stricken said:
I was massively disappointed by the movie. I had such high hopes for it, so that could have been a factor.
And goddammit, I looked at Mari's fight scene's in 2.0 and beast mode as one of the many highlights of the film's action scenes. It was gorgeously animated, brutal, feral and almost terrifying at what an EVA and Mari could do. It also reflected her bloodlust in battle perfectly.
Then she's demoted to a support sniper? I liked her for being batshit crazy.
In a combat situation, I would have preferred her to take a melee fighter position alongside Asuka. Now that's a dynamic duo!
Well now, that was a really bad call.TizzytheTormentor said:
The thing is that EoE is the unapologetic and uncensored culmination of the series. Even if you've never seen the show you'll probably be aware of the infamous last two episodes which pissed off fans because they felt it didn't conclude enough. So Anno decided "You want the truth? You got it." And he made EoE which reveals it in all it's epic mindbendy-ness.
The show starts off normal enough, but halfway through the paint starts to slowly peel away to reveal dark pasts and traumas that snowball out of control. And all of this comes to a climax in EoE. Even that hospital scene won't come too much as a surprise if you've watched the series.
Eh, not really. It just takes the original series and kinda moves things around a bit, like it's moving the furniture around in a room. It also takes out a few things, like the mystery and the looming threat behind the Eva's and the Instrumentality Project. You know those great creepy Eva moments from the show? Yeah, you get none of that in the Rebuild movies.beniki said:
Sorry but you're a bit silly for even starting at the final movie of all places. I heavily recommend at least trying to watch it from the beginning of the series till the finish. It is insane. You can't go and criticize something when you don't even understand the context of the show or what you are watching.TizzytheTormentor said:
OT: Whilst I was and still am quite confused on some points to do with Evangelion 3.33, I thoroughly enjoyed the film and love the dark places that it's going into, it's my favorite part of Eva. Yes, we don't understand thing's at the moment but that's the entire point, we're meant to be in Shinji's shoes and to be confused and disorientated... but hopefully some thing's will be explained and pieced together by the final film. I'd love to go into detail to answer some of your complaint's about the film OP but to be perfectly honest, I doubt I am going to be able to sway you from your dislike of the film anyway so I see no point.
I mean come on, this is Eva people! If you didn't expect mind-fuckery and confusion to happen eventually then you're a bit naive to be honest.
I watched it a few days ago. It looked pretty but, as others have said, nothing really happened... I don't think.
Eva's not meant to be straightforward, but nothing in this film made any sense. All the characters have become illogical sociopaths with no redeeming qualities. I kind of doubt the next film will be any better.
Eva's not meant to be straightforward, but nothing in this film made any sense. All the characters have become illogical sociopaths with no redeeming qualities. I kind of doubt the next film will be any better.
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Yeah, I was pretty disappointed by how this one turned out, especially after what the second film set up. While I have nothing against setting the film 14 years after the events of 2.22, literally the first 30 minutes was nothing but spectacle, when there should've spent time on establishing this drastic change to the story. I guess they wanted us to feel just as alienated and confused as Shinji but the other films showed us what was going on with all the other characters, and wasn't purely from the perspective of Shinji. The other films were able to balance out the action and the story. Also, the fact that nothing from the preview in 2.22 was in the film makes it seems obvious that there was some rewrites going on.
Honestly, the running time is what I think killed it for me. The film was shorter than the other ones and it sure felt like it. This drastic a change needs at least 2 1/2 hours to fully establish. Really this doesn't even feel like a full film, and now I have to wait for the 4.0 for the full movie.
With that said, though, there were some good things about the movie. The relationship with Shinji and Kaworu was very well done. If the rest of the film was like that it would've been great. I like the fact that Evangelion is getting back to psychological mindfuck mode. And of course, it looks great, and the soundtrack was fantastic.
Honestly, the running time is what I think killed it for me. The film was shorter than the other ones and it sure felt like it. This drastic a change needs at least 2 1/2 hours to fully establish. Really this doesn't even feel like a full film, and now I have to wait for the 4.0 for the full movie.
With that said, though, there were some good things about the movie. The relationship with Shinji and Kaworu was very well done. If the rest of the film was like that it would've been great. I like the fact that Evangelion is getting back to psychological mindfuck mode. And of course, it looks great, and the soundtrack was fantastic.
That bolded part... I don't mean anything personal, but FUCK THAT! That is the lamest, most pretentious excuse I've ever heard for plot holes and illogical writing. If everyone believed that excuse, anyone could make anything utterly random and pointless under the excuse of "It'll all make sense in the end". You cannot, I repeat, cannot, release a choppy mess of a film on its own and say "Oh, the final movie will make sense of it all", when we don't even have a release date yet. They released the film as a standalone feature, so it deserves to be judged as such.Flamezdudes said:
I wanted to post the grim realization I just had. The entire movie could have been avoided if Misato had explained things to Shinji during the 10 first minutes. But here's even worse:
She didn't have any reason to wake Shinji at all.
I mean really. There is not a single logical reason why she had to do it: Shinji is floating in orbit, lying dormant and unaware of his surroundings. Eva-01 is being used as a power source for the helicarrier. She doesn't want Shinji to pilot an Eva again, neither does she seem to just have missed Shinji so much to get him back. Her war with NERV is still unfinished (a plot hole the size of the Grand Canyon) It's not even like NERV's trying to get him back to themselves, what with the whole organization consisting of Rei, Gendo, Fuyutsuki and Kaworu. If they didn't want Shinji to pilot an Eva, get him back to see him again or even explain anything to him, why bother recovering him at all?
Misato still clearly cares about him as we see through her hesitation to pull the trigger on the DSS Choker when Shinji escapes with Rei; she has created a persona for herself and has to appear strong to her crew and not to show sympathy - she has clearly been through a lot the past 14 years and isn't her old self as such. They barely had him on the Wunder for 20 minutes during which they were fighting enemies, you expect them to work out their issues in that small amount of time?bartholen said:
Shinji is a trigger for awakening's, who the fuck knows what could happen if they stress him out and shock him too much by revealing to him what he had done to the world? They recovered him during their search of Unit-01 and they (wisely in my opinion) took him out of the Eva so as to reduce the risk of Unit-01 awakening and causing destruction again.
And I think that the part of my argument that you bolded is valid. The film is part of a quatrilogy, you shouldn't be watching this film without the previous films and you aren't going to understand everything before it's done, that's simply how it is. That's like saying an episode of a TV series should stand on its own each time by explaining everything even though there is an overarching plot which will all be explained by the end. We as an audience are supposed to empathize and feel how Shinji feels and this is why everything is the way it is. A lot of what we don't know can at least be figured out somewhat by some critical thinking, the rest and the details of events might be explained later. Who knows, with Eva we just have to see.
That was also the first thing that came to me after I watched it. Shinji has apparently now become somekind of random Impact trigger that could go off at any second... so Misato procedes to treat him like shit and not tell him a goddamn thing about anything that's going on. Yeah, that won't agitate Shinji of all people at all, now will it?bartholen said:
I would assume this is because (whatever's left of) Nerv was also searching for him, but I can't remember if they ever established that later on. Maybe an opening scene where Asuka and Rei were battling over him, or just a simple scene where Ritsuko says, "If we didn't bring you in, Nerv would've captured you" could've helped. Lord knows Misato wasn't opening her mouth.
Maybe that actually was mentioned, but I can't remember.
Because it's irrelevant.bartholen said:
Watch The End of Evangelion, it explains why, but just make Lilith get decapitated half way through, instead of after she has nom nomed everyone's soul back into goo.bartholen said:
Well first off, Evangelion 2.22 shows that the 4 Adams each have their own lance, and if Lilith has one, that means there are 5. Secondly, both lances aren't needed for third impact, only Longinus is.bartholen said:
Again, watch End of Evangelion, but replace Unit 1 with Unit 6.bartholen said:
Those are the skills of all the failures of infinity throughout the city.bartholen said:
Kawrou didn't meet Gendo until after that? No really, re-watch Eva 2, Kawarou didn't meet Gendo face to face until Evangelion 3, at the end of Eva 2, Kaworu was still Seelee's boy, and outside of Gendo's control. It was only during the 14 year tinme skip that he was able to manipulate Selee and Kaworu.bartholen said:
To hold the weapon that killed Jesus takes a lot of power. Also, the first ancestral race probably made it as a safety protocol so no one person could get too powerful.bartholen said:
From the remains of the world gov that are pissed at Nerv. Also, probably IPEA.bartholen said:
Eva 00 isn't in the movie, Eva 9 is, different EVA, also, because its one of the 4 Adams.bartholen said:
Why does Auska have AN ANGEL SEALING EYE PATCH?bartholen said:
The children of Lilith, again, watch the original series, this is mentioned several times.bartholen said:
Besides it being one of the most dramatic points in the entire film? I don't know what you mean.bartholen said:
The black moon, the thing that transported Lilith to earth from the F.A.R. homeworld.bartholen said:
Its all automated, they show you several shots of autonomous machines in NERV to point this out.bartholen said:
Wait. Are you implying that to understand this film one would first need to watch the whole original series and End of Evangelion, when the sole purpose of these reboots was to tell a whole new story? And also that the theory of these movies actually taking place after EoE are true?SajuukKhar said:
By anticlimactic I mean there's absolutely no buildup or even hint of either before Fuyutsuki mentions it. He just goes "Oh, yeah your mom is the control system of Eva-01 and blablabla". And in the end the thing about Yui doesn't have anything to do with the story. It's just some thing that's mentioned. I mean Christ, Eva-01 isn't activated once in the movie, and we hardly even see it.
And where, in either the original series or these new movies, is any of that mentioned or explained in any way?SajuukKhar said:
How is it irrelevant, when all the character and world changes, the conflict between NERV and Wille, Wille's founding... fuck, EVERYTHING happens during that time period? How would it be irrelevant to explain why Misato has become the way she is? How would it be irrelevant to explain how NERV and Wille became two separate entities? How would it be irrelevant to explain why the world became the way it is? How would it be irrelevant to explain even the tiniest amount of information about how Wille was set up, founded, funded, run etc.SajuukKhar said:
And what the hell are "failures of infinity"?
The black moon is mentioned very clearly in End of Eva.bartholen said:
And obviously Yui is going to have some role to play eventually in the next film, this was hinted at in the previous films and she is likely part of the reason for why Unit-01 berserks and awakens.
Kaworu explains what the "failure of infinity" are. They are humans who failed to artificially evolve and gain the fruit of life.
Jesus christ it's like you weren't paying attention to anything with the series and movie at all.
I saw the camrip of 3.0 last year and while it was confusing and did screw over the plot from the previous film I did find the film enjoyable thanks to the soundtrack, the art style and the return of Kaworu.
The thing many don't seem to get is that Evangelion on it's own was never meant to be fully understood so easily and to be fully explained because of the way Anno represented it to us. For years he'd suffered bad cases of depression and mental instability that eventually over time poured into his works like Evangelion and because of that the series and films look so fucked up to some people.
And let's not forget that Anno still hates the fans and always will even if you love his work which I do he will still dislike you.
A little something I found a few months back on reasons of why Evangelion is what it is and why Anno hates us.
http://chirart.tumblr.com/post/37808402478/evangelion-and-why-hideaki-anno-hates-you
I do eventually look forward to the final movie and hope that this time they stick to what they showed in the trailer because everything that was in the trailer for 3.0 was entirely scrapped.
The thing many don't seem to get is that Evangelion on it's own was never meant to be fully understood so easily and to be fully explained because of the way Anno represented it to us. For years he'd suffered bad cases of depression and mental instability that eventually over time poured into his works like Evangelion and because of that the series and films look so fucked up to some people.
And let's not forget that Anno still hates the fans and always will even if you love his work which I do he will still dislike you.
A little something I found a few months back on reasons of why Evangelion is what it is and why Anno hates us.
http://chirart.tumblr.com/post/37808402478/evangelion-and-why-hideaki-anno-hates-you
I do eventually look forward to the final movie and hope that this time they stick to what they showed in the trailer because everything that was in the trailer for 3.0 was entirely scrapped.
For ease of reading, I will just write down the stuff that 3.0 did well:
1: Terrific animation
2: Excellent score (I'll give 3.0 these, even though at this point Eva having terrific animation and a kickass soundtrack is par for the course)
3: Fleshing out Shinji's relationship with Kaworu.
That's it.
The rest of the movie was absolutely dire. Terrible writing, nonexistent characterization, and unexplained events. (Now, I'm used to things being confusing and ambiguous in Evangelion, but usually they give you stuff to work with--goofy terminologies, recurring motifs, etc. Not here. They give you nothing, just a bunch of explosion porn in lieu of context.)
It seems the writers just used the 14-year jump to let the characters do whatever they wanted regardless of characterization. "Misato was a caring woman before? After 14 years, she's a cold *****! Why? A lotta stuff happened in 14 years! Want us to explain it? Fuck you."
I'm beginning to rant, so I'll conclude. The best thing 3.0 did was have a decent relationship between Shinji and Kaworu, which it shot in the foot by having Kaworu die in a meaningless and poorly explained way. It says a lot when the original generated more emotional weight with a single frame and "Ode to Joy" than the reboot could with all of its billion-yen budget.
1: Terrific animation
2: Excellent score (I'll give 3.0 these, even though at this point Eva having terrific animation and a kickass soundtrack is par for the course)
3: Fleshing out Shinji's relationship with Kaworu.
That's it.
The rest of the movie was absolutely dire. Terrible writing, nonexistent characterization, and unexplained events. (Now, I'm used to things being confusing and ambiguous in Evangelion, but usually they give you stuff to work with--goofy terminologies, recurring motifs, etc. Not here. They give you nothing, just a bunch of explosion porn in lieu of context.)
Nope. A series as heavy with imagery and significance as Eva never does an "irrelevant" thing. Did you watch 3.0? Did you watch 2.0? Did you notice any discrepancies in the state of the world between the two? That's hardly irrelevancy.SajuukKhar said:
It seems the writers just used the 14-year jump to let the characters do whatever they wanted regardless of characterization. "Misato was a caring woman before? After 14 years, she's a cold *****! Why? A lotta stuff happened in 14 years! Want us to explain it? Fuck you."
I'm beginning to rant, so I'll conclude. The best thing 3.0 did was have a decent relationship between Shinji and Kaworu, which it shot in the foot by having Kaworu die in a meaningless and poorly explained way. It says a lot when the original generated more emotional weight with a single frame and "Ode to Joy" than the reboot could with all of its billion-yen budget.
Except that the new movies pretty much dispensed with the mindfuckery, in return for something more straight forward and classicaly heroic. Seriously, name me one mindfuck moment from the first two films.Shadow-Phoenix said:
See, I can accept the original series and EoE not explaining everything to a tee, because that was more or less its M.O. from episode 2 onward. But for the third Rebuild to suddenly turn around and go "Fuck you... That's my explaination" after two movies of pretty clear cut storytelling is just mindbogglingly stupid.
No, to both questions.bartholen said:
-No you don't have to watch the original series, or EoE, to understand Rebuild.
-Rebuild is not a sequel to EoE.
The entire scene before it was a very blatant build-up to some major mind fuckery. Fuyutsuki, the man who never leaves Gendo's side, or talks to like anyone ever, playing shogi with Shinji, the same man who just like 1-2 scenes earlier said that he disagreed with Gendo not showing his son how he lives, the foreshadowing was there.bartholen said:
And Yui has everything to do with the story, because the story goes beyond 3.33. Yui has to do with EVERYTHING, from why Shinji is able pilot, to why Gendo is doing everything he is doing, and it also explains many things in 1.11, and 2.22, such as why the Eva activated on its own during Shinji's first fight after he fell unconscious, and the "I feel comfortable when piloting an EVA because of a scent, the scent of Ayanami, the scent of my mother" line from 2.22.
The End of Evangelion explains it, and I'm sure 4.44 will mention it also. Your really not supposed to know it's the black moon anyways, we only know what it is because of a copy of the script that came with the blu-ray.bartholen said:
Because Evangelion is Shinji's story, Shinji was not present for the time-skip, and thus, while the world he lives in has changed, and he is affected by the changes, he himself does not know what happened, and the world continues to spin without him knowing it, because, while it affects him, him knowing what happened or not changes nothing about how the world is now, and how he will be treated, and thus, us knowing is also rather pointless.bartholen said:
The citizens of Tokyo 3 who changed into Evangelion like beings during third impact, when all of Tokyo 3 became a core substance, and who tired to reach Lilith in order to become the ones who would awaken her and bring about themselves as becoming the dominant species on earth.bartholen said:
They are also the things that are shown in the 4.44 preview that Unit 8+2 is fighting, and are the source of all the redish mist coming from the black moon after it surfaces, millions of Failures leak from the openings in the black moon.
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And now for some fun facts about the movie
-At 55 minutes into the movie Fuyutsuki tells Shinji he will lose in 31 moves, 31 minutes later, at 1 hour 26 minutes into the movie, a ghostly image of Kaworu appears as Shinji's plug is ejected from Eva 13, after a failed attempt by Shinji and Kaworu to reset the world, which resulted in Kaworu's death, and Shinji losing the only person he ever considered a true friend, and any hope he had in saving the world.
-The glyphs shown in Auska's eye patch are also present on the computer screen when Shinji is shown the DSS choker, there are 88 runes, there are also 88 keys on a piano, when we take the runes and make them correspond to the keys on a piano, the music we get from the glyph sequence on Shinji's collar is this, https://soundcloud.com/jakebutter/i-want-to-get-off-mr-annos , the same music that plays when Shinji has his mental breakdown after finding out what happened to his mother.
-The piano Kaworu plays is located next to a tree, a piano is a type of instrument, and thus, we have and instrument+tree, or better, a intramentalitree, or instrumentality.
-Nerv's base is located in the giant upside down pyramid floating in the sky, and at the end of the movie Gendo and Fuyutsuki are in what appears to be a command bridge similar to Wundur's. Could it FLY!!!
-In one scene of the movie Kaworu stands in a patch of un-cored earth in Tokyo 3, a brief glimpse of a sprinkler confirms this one area to be Kaji's garden from the previous film.
Yes this was a terrible movie . But It?s certainly not without it's merits
1) that?s soundtrack ?.. god that soundtrack
2) Im actually quite enjoying the character of Mari . it?s nice to see someone who is actually enjoying all this madness
3) it still looks gorgeous
So while im disappointed (and have no idea of what the fuck happened) I?ll still come back to see the next one
1) that?s soundtrack ?.. god that soundtrack
2) Im actually quite enjoying the character of Mari . it?s nice to see someone who is actually enjoying all this madness
3) it still looks gorgeous
So while im disappointed (and have no idea of what the fuck happened) I?ll still come back to see the next one