Doesnt come out in America until fuckin next week!!! No wonder people pirate movies, this is fuckin ridiculous. Here I am with money to see the movie that is out and the only thing stopping me is whoever controls these goddamn release dates. Maybe I should pirate it!! Otherwise I have to go on media blackout for a week on the internet, thats impossible.
I've just this moment come back from seeing it. Honestly, I'm very disappointed. It felt like there were too many antagonists pulling the plot in different directions, with no time to elaborate on any of the characters personal stories. They could have done with concentrating more on a smaller set of ideas and attempting to actually reach some sort of conclusion with them. It's cool to leave some things hanging, but the film doesn't answer anything. I can't say any more without spoilers, so I'll wait till it's been out a while in the US before I go into details.
I found it stupid, insulting and sometimes very pretty. If I'm charitable, it's a bad sci-fi action film. It also misunderstands science more than the X-men movies do.
I was incredibly disappointed with the movie. It seemed so disconnected and sketchy. Loads of plot-holes, logical gaps and in general, just aggravating. Me and my friends were very upset.
The black goo that oozes from those vases is basically what the Space Jockeys use to genetically engineer stuff. It can retro-actively alter the DNA structure of any living being into what the goo is programmed. So who knows what he turned into, it could have been any one of the SJ's genetic experiments.
Abortion scene? I think you mean birth scene... (edgy)
I found it stupid, insulting and sometimes very pretty. If I'm charitable, it's a bad sci-fi action film. It also misunderstands science more than the X-men movies do.
....But it's not a sci-fi action film. Ever see Alien? It's closer to that.
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I loved it. The effects were great, the acting was fantastic. Yeah there was a couple of things that could've been explained better but I like to think that was done on purpose so that we'd come to our own conclusions.
I found it stupid, insulting and sometimes very pretty. If I'm charitable, it's a bad sci-fi action film. It also misunderstands science more than the X-men movies do.
I found myself very troubled when I walked out of this movie. Not because I thought it was a bad movie by any means, but because of the themes it explores.
I'm one of the few people who (I guess) who didn't go into this thinking 'OMG, a prequel to alien!!!' because I was well aware that it wasn't, and I find the Alien 'franchise' massively over-rated anyway.
But it does explore a lot of 'big themes' and also has a fair few horror elements (especially in the first half) and I mean proper horror elements. Not things jumping at the screen or people getting hacked to pieces.
The film strives to be an intelligent one (Imagine that, an intelligent summer movie!) and in some cases it works marvellously. It asks a lot of questions that don't get answered (meaning of life and our place in the universe questions) though I suspect thats because Lindeloff wrote the script and he doesn't have any idea how to answer the questions he poses, and I don't mind that. It is a very dark, very bleak film, which again, is something that I like.
However, it does mishandle some things. Almost all of the characters have horror movie survival instincts to the degree that I have absolutely no sympathy for them when they buy it, because its their own fucking fault for being so fucking stupid. The two main instances that spring to mind are
when Holloway takes his helmet off when he reads breathable atmosphere. Ok, good for you mate, but did it ever occur to you that there might be fucking biological contamination too? Well then, I have no fucking sypathy for you when you die because you get fucking infected then. And of course the other one is when the biologist decides that the very cobra looking ALIEN LIFE FORM is worth a cuddle. You're a fucking biologist for fucks sake, you should be able to tell when something is exhibiting threatening fucking behaviour.
I also don't think the film handles its religious/scientific juxtaposition very well, and a lot of elements to do with parentage, particularly
the antagonism between David and Vickers, and the daddy issues they both have with Weyland
which I think could have been more detailed.
There are places where it feels like its been cut down for time, like it'll get a Ridders directors cut, but its already been announced that this is not the case. Which is a shame, because I felt (unlike a lot of other films, including some of Scotts own) that there was a lot more room here to breathe and expand.
So yeah, not a traditional horror film, but one I enjoyed.
Also...
Was that Mark Strong playing the Engineer? Its an uncredited role, but it certainly is reminiscent of him.
I found it stupid, insulting and sometimes very pretty. If I'm charitable, it's a bad sci-fi action film. It also misunderstands science more than the X-men movies do.
Mmmyes. It is a science fiction film. As is, for instance, Moon. Moon is not a 130 million dollar movie that fails to understand that two organisms having identical DNA would make them twins, or clones.
MaxiP62 said:
Klumpfot said:
I found it stupid, insulting and sometimes very pretty. If I'm charitable, it's a bad sci-fi action film. It also misunderstands science more than the X-men movies do.
Mmmyes. I have seen Alien. Alien is a masterpiece. Prometheus is to Alien what The Thing is to The Thing. A vapid action prequel to a horror movie that sometimes points to its predecessor and says; "Remember this movie?! 'Cause I'm related to it!"
I don't mean to apply 'action' in a pejorative sense. It is merely a description of the overall mood of the piece.
Oh, The outrage! Did someone do the "indiana-jones" to Alien? Prometheus was a nice looking, predictable monster movie. When I saw it, I actually laughed in some parts, but it didn't bring me the first Alien-type of paranoia and anguish. It was, sadly, a Hollywood spectacle. I'm just now checking, if the plot lines-up with the first movie... To my recollection, the ending of Prometheus does not continue straight to Alien.
Prometheus was not mind-blowing, but it was a nice scifi-movie... Tying it to Alien was a mistake. A separate space opera would have had more to give us.
I've just this moment come back from seeing it. Honestly, I'm very disappointed. It felt like there were too many antagonists pulling the plot in different directions, with no time to elaborate on any of the characters personal stories. They could have done with concentrating more on a smaller set of ideas and attempting to actually reach some sort of conclusion with them. It's cool to leave some things hanging, but the film doesn't answer anything. I can't say any more without spoilers, so I'll wait till it's been out a while in the US before I go into details.
I have to agree with this apart from being as disappointed.
There's a lot of failed potential in regards to the second half.
They should've not killed off that archaeologist guy who unwittingly drank the goo, and should've made his mutation the prime focus of the film together with Noomi Rapace's alien pregnancy. I actually thought that's what they were going with untill Charlize Theron torched him.
In the end though my brain is way too wired toward the appreaciation of beautiful visuals for me to dislike this film. And goddamn did it look good.
Doesnt come out in America until fuckin next week!!! No wonder people pirate movies, this is fuckin ridiculous. Here I am with money to see the movie that is out and the only thing stopping me is whoever controls these goddamn release dates. Maybe I should pirate it!! Otherwise I have to go on media blackout for a week on the internet, thats impossible.
Just because some films are released later in America & the US isn't an excuse to pirate them. The Avengers is another recent example of exactly that, released in Europe & Great Britain before the US & the Americas. There's a discrepancy between release dates on the massive majority of films, & frequently the US has the earlier release. If you don't want to know about the plot then don't read about it or watch video reviews, it's far from impossible (although hanging out in forums on the very film you don't want to find out about might be considered an error).
On topic:
I don't think Scott's directed a good film since Blade Runner, & I include Prometheus in that count. While it's a competently directed spectacle its execution's too sloppy &, as pointed out in numerous posts above, there aren't just plot holes, more like gaping maws of logic. Overall Alien is by far superior in plot, character development, acting, shot composition (obviously re. real action as opposed to CGI/chroma key), & script.
The area where Prometheus shines is in the grand composition of the shiny scenery & gore, but unfortunately that simply isn't enough. Remember when the chestburster emerged from John Hurt's torso in Alien? That's tension & horror! It's unfortunate that many people think that a big budget & lots of effects enhance a film when frequently the opposite is true & those things actually detract from the finished product:
A relatively low budget, few SFX & good actors who know their craft will always be superior to mindless spectacle, unless all you're after is pretty flashing lights. In that case spunk your money all over it mate, & enjoy your shiny sci-fi disco light show. Me, I require a bit more substance.
Hehe, I think it's simply the make up effects, but now that you mention it it does sorta look like him.
And while I was initially disappointed that the Space Jockeys didn't look elepantine, I did very much like how eventhough they had human faces, there was something very odd and otherworldy about them.
Hehe, I think it's simply the make up effects, but now that you mention it it does sorta look like him.
And while I was initially disappointed that the Space Jockeys didn't look elepantine, I did very much like how eventhough they had human faces, there was something very odd and otherworldy about them.
There were plotholes everywhere and alot of the characters were under used...
I am looking at you Vickers and Holloway
Also It may just be that I havn't seen the original Alien in along time but the references to the franchise were quite weak, there are references yes but it feels like a movie that is set in the same universe as Alien but not a prequel, more like a spin-off. It did feel as if they wrote the script but then modified it to fit the Alien franchise.
However, the visuals were absolutely stunning and the soundtrack by Harry Gregson-Williams was excellent. One of the best looking films I have ever seen.
There were plotholes everywhere and alot of the characters were under used...
I am looking at you Vickers and Holloway
Also It may just be that I havn't seen the original Alien in along time but the references to the franchise were quite weak, there are references yes but it feels like a movie that is set in the same universe as Alien but not a prequel, more like a spin-off. It did feel as if they wrote the script but then modified it to fit the Alien franchise.
However, the visuals were absolutely stunning and the soundtrack by Harry Gregson-Williams was excellent. One of the best looking films I have ever seen.
There were plotholes everywhere and alot of the characters were under used...
I am looking at you Vickers and Holloway
Also It may just be that I havn't seen the original Alien in along time but the references to the franchise were quite weak, there are references yes but it feels like a movie that is set in the same universe as Alien but not a prequel, more like a spin-off. It did feel as if they wrote the script but then modified it to fit the Alien franchise.
However, the visuals were absolutely stunning and the soundtrack by Harry Gregson-Williams was excellent. One of the best looking films I have ever seen.
But the fact is in this is that there are enough references to make it seem like a prequel but the references are very loose for the most part. Mainly what I think the film lacks is characterisation though and would much prefer it if they had no refferences instead of being a halfway prequel.
There were plotholes everywhere and alot of the characters were under used...
I am looking at you Vickers and Holloway
Also It may just be that I havn't seen the original Alien in along time but the references to the franchise were quite weak, there are references yes but it feels like a movie that is set in the same universe as Alien but not a prequel, more like a spin-off. It did feel as if they wrote the script but then modified it to fit the Alien franchise.
However, the visuals were absolutely stunning and the soundtrack by Harry Gregson-Williams was excellent. One of the best looking films I have ever seen.
But the fact is in this is that there are enough references to make it seem like a prequel but the references are very loose for the most part. Mainly what I think the film lacks is characterisation though and would much prefer it if they had no refferences instead of being a halfway prequel.
I thought it was a good film... I got the feeling the film had one too many cuts in editing and that's what leads to the leaps of logic, but I felt that, overall, I got what was going on.
*The ooze in the Jars is like life soup. You see one of the "Engineers" (Space Jockeys) consume a bowl full of it early on in the film and he disintegrates into the basic genetic material that creates life on earth)
Theory: I think the quantities consumed are important, either that or the ooze can be engineered for different results (and this one is a weaponised version of the earlier one), this is why Davids little experiment didn't result in Charlies own disintegration, but instead it rewrote strands of his DNA... it requires a little leap logic for us to get to Shaws Proto-Facehugger birth scene though. I also like how this implies that the aliens origins stem from Human DNA.
Theory: The "Snakes" that appear midway through the film are, I believe, the effects of the ooze on the worms/larvae we saw earlier... I think they might actually be a different variation of the full grown Xenomorph, but based on different genetic foundations (the worms/larvae)
Theory: The geologist who comes back as a pretzel shaped zombie is a little hard to figure out... but I think he might be in the process of changing as a result of the ooze and not just reanimated for the sake of ZOMBIES.
EDIT: Oh and one more thing,
Is the Proto-Facehugger a genetically altered Sperm cell? EWWWWWW!
I got the feeling the film had one too many cuts in editing and that's what leads to the leaps of logic, but I felt that, overall, I got what was going on.
It's possible some cut footage would explain things better. There was a similar thing in Aliens. If you remember at the start of the film Ripley finds out her daughter has died while she was in stasis, which is supposed to set up the whole theme of the movie in that she recovers her lost motherhood through an adopted daughter (symbolically rescuing her from the mother alien). In the cut version you don't really get any indication of her grief at the beginning, and her decision to return to the alien planet comes off as completely irrational. Here's a deleted scene:
Still, I think with Prometheus being the length that it was, there would be no chance to elaborate on all of its themes to the extent needed. This is why I thought it would have been better to concentrate on fewer plot twists and use the rest of the time to build the relevant characters up more to rationalise their decisions. Most of the characters felt like pedestrians to the overall story. What's more, I think there were some good characters in there, but they were wasted with such little screen time between them. Only Fassbender had any real character development I felt.
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