So if the USA defaults August 2nd, what will happen?

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TheRundownRabbit

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SaneAmongInsane said:
ugh... I really hate our Dumb and Dumber two party system... Free election my ass.
A-fucking-men, I live in a very republican family, and used to go to a very democratic high-school, so I had a first-hand look at the utter stupidity of both sides.

To me, its pretty unclear what will happen after August 2nd despite what the decision will be.
 

Thaluikhain

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s69-5 said:
after adopting some distinctly dirty tactics to rally public support ala techniques devised by the Nazis (create fear in the population, use that fear to control and adopt whatever policy you choose. Discredit dissenters as unpatriotic. People will believe you are controlling them for their own safety). Sound familiar? 911 - Patriot Act - Dixie Chicks - kiss your freedom and privacy goodbye...
To be fair, more or less everyone uses that to some degree, and Bush wasn't anywhere as extreme as Hitler was. On the other hand, part of that might be due to Hitler being more competent at what he shouldn't have been doing.
 

OniYouji

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Default? USA? So, they are resetting their options to the default, like when it was preset in 1776? Well...that certainly does seem apocalyptic. That's losing like 235 years of progress. You have no idea how much time it took to get that kind of playtime.

I can only assume that The USA was sold in a used nations store, and the new owner wants to overwrite the only save file on the cart.
 

Malo_Tux

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I, for one, will be finding my way to the British Embassy and applying for a Settlement Visa. Best of luck America, we had a good run.
 

Wintermoot

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I,m not sure but I think economic collapse of the USA.
Joseph375 said:
I'm not completely sure. Either nothing or the fucking rapture from what I've been hearing.

Here's some answers.

Cut down on unneeded spending.
Cut down on government corruption.
Legalize and tax drugs.
CUT OUR FUCKING DEFENSE BUDGET!!!!
STOP BORROWING SO MUCH GODDAMN MONEY WE CAN'T PAY OFF!!!
I agree with this
 

JustJuust

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I always thought that the US was too big to fail, other countries have too much at stake if the US defaults, and would help the US out to get it back on its feet so that it can pay them back. However, confidence in the US market would plummet, rich will still be rich, and the working class people of the US will feel the most impact (many gov't programs would get kicked to cut spending)
 

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TheDarkEricDraven said:
I can't bring myself to give a fuck. It sounds like Y2K/The Red Menace all over again. America is like the boy who cried wolf. We're so scared of our own shadows, I've gotten used to it, so I think every crisis will just be another dud.
We'll see, bro. I personally think there were probably a lot of options we could have taken (and still can) to cut funding to programs that aren't giving us much back, but partisan nonsense continues to color EVERYTHING over here. The world could be literally in flames, and the Republicans and Democrats would fight over which side should get more ashes.

I think it could be bad, but I don't know how bad. The thing is, it does not MATTER how bad it really is. In the stock market, perception becomes reality. If enough people THINK stocks are unsafe, it doesn't matter if they are or not. If I THINK salmon is poisonous, and I'm the biggest buyer of salmon in the world, it doesn't matter one iota whether it is or not. Because if I think so, and I stop buying, then the world takes its cues from me (plus I'm not buying salmon, so even if others buy it, stocks take a massive dive without my involvement.)
 

JustJuust

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Joseph375 said:
I'm not completely sure. Either nothing or the fucking rapture from what I've been hearing.

Here's some answers.

Cut down on unneeded spending.
Cut down on government corruption.
Legalize and tax drugs.
CUT OUR FUCKING DEFENSE BUDGET!!!!
STOP BORROWING SO MUCH GODDAMN MONEY WE CAN'T PAY OFF!!!
exactly! I mean yes the US has a reputation to keep, and reputation might mean a lot in the global scene, but damn, what's with all the foreign aids when people in your own country are suffering?
 

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aussiesniper said:
Unfortunately, the Euro is looking pretty weak right now, what with Greece and such. If the US defaults, it could mean serious damage to the EU. The world's favourite currency also cannot be the Chinese Renminbi, because the Chinese government fixes their currency to be worth some constant fraction (1/6, I think) of a US dollar.

Then again, according to wikipedia, China has been setting itself up to start trading the renminbi freely, instead of fixing it at a certain value. So who knows? Maybe it WILL be Chinese currency as the next international standard.
I think the country has to be generally well liked in order for it's currency to be adopted as the standard.

So far, in the EU, the strongest country is Germany. What with their bailout package for Greece. Maybe the Japanese Yen might be the new one. I bet all the Yakuza mobs that own the nation's banks will be happy about that.
 

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I think its funny how people on a forum for a websites about games are coming to an agreement faster than the us government... the ones with the problem.
 

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artanis_neravar said:
The entirety of Congress is taken out back and shot and we bring in a new congress who will fix everything
That would solve a lot of problems in America.
 

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Dirzzit said:
1.Interest rates will go up (credit card, mortgage)
2.Countries will stop trading with the US (It's like not paying your rent)
3.The stock market could possibly crash
4.Banks will seize everything they can to prevent getting hurt

This will FUCK THE US UP. Remember what happened to Greece? It will be worse, A lot worse.
Eeeehhhhhh... not quite.

Interest rates are controlled by the Federal Reserve Bank and are generally used as a tool to control overall inflation, with the target inflation rate being about 2%. International trade with the U.S. will not cease, just some valuations will be re-adjusted. The stock market will crash yes, but the market is always driven by fear and greed; this will be a major fear stimulus. Banks in general have been forced to behave, so any bank that has been following the new rules - as enforced by the current administration - should be just fine.

Here's what will happen if the U.S. misses the deadline for making its debt interest payment (that's what the deadline is) - and yes, I am using Greece as a model:

1. The U.S. Sovereign Bond rating will be cut slightly.

On paper, this won't look like much. However, it will eclipse all other news items for about two weeks. This will lead to:

2. "Loss of confidence in the Greenback."

The U.S. dollar will decrease in value relative to other currencies. Canada will be pleased. China will not. News of the economic woes of the Euro zone nations caused the Euro to lose value, and stay down for over a year.

3. It will cost the U.S. significantly more to borrow money.

A lot more. It's not generic interest rates that will be higher, it is interest rates on U.S. Treasury Bond yields that will be higher. This means interest paid (by the U.S.) to existing Treasury Bond holders will increase automatically, effectively increasing the total amount of Federal Debt. And it will cost the U.S. more to borrow money in the future. Since we are talking about revolving credit, these two together could potentially DOUBLE the Federal deficit, in the sense that we'll be paying much more over the period until the debt is paid. Its. That. Bad.

4. Inflation/deflation

This is the big neon pink elephant in the room. Nobody is quite sure what will happen. A weaker dollar is usually good for trade, but the economic aftermath (including trade and currency fluctuations) may push the costs of goods and services higher. The only good news on the horizon is that with partial troop withdrawals, the prices of gasoline and some materials should decrease. However, I would expect gas prices to jump over $4/gal for about two weeks on a default - there's no real reason for that; speculators are just stupid.

5. Stock market/money market

Stock market will be down, and keep going down on all subsequent negative news. This will literally bleed money from all listed companies. Mass layoffs will follow, with increased unemployment - and every report of layoffs, and every new report of larger unemployment will push the market lower again, etc etc etc. Money market accounts will typically have some T-bills in their portfolios. So returns for money market accounts will be lower. Basically, anything with exposure to U.S. Bonds will feel the squeeze.
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"Look at what Regan did it worked"

Sir, please stop talking until you learn to think for yourself. Reagan did not accomplish half of what you think he did. Ronald Reagan presided over the largest expansion of the U.S. Federal Government in history. Federal taxes are lower now than they were then, which is also why the U.S. is still in debt thirty years later. Now 1% of Americans control more money than the bottom 90% of the population combined. It's too bad Conservatives have been holding down the minimum wage all that time. The extra tax revenue could have paid for a lot of infrastructure that is desperately needed.

The issue of primary importance, however, is health care costs. Even if the debt ceiling was raised right this minute. We still have an enormous problem with health care costs. Its too bad that Conservatives were no help with that either.
 

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Ok, to all the people talking about China invading the US or starting a war or something silly:

Why the hell would anybody invade the US? There is absolutely no reason for anybody to do so! We used to invade places because a. Their land (hardly a good reason in this case), b. Their resources (possibly, but with the US so desperate for cash a much better way would just be to give them exploitative low prices), c. To destroy their armies (...missiles anyone?)

Standing armies are something of a relic these days. There is no reason to invade somewhere. We can cause the damage an army never could just by pressing a button.

If the US defaults, China will be in just as much economic trouble as the US. It is in China's best interests for America to survive, and invading would hardly be productive to this.

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