so if you ever wanted to know why someone wouldn't feel comfortable calling themselves a feminist...

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

She is a terrible human.

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I think you and DeFranco give this one woman too much credit.

Though not every person who calls themselves a feminist is sexist, but I'm sure some BLM people still work for the intial cause that started it.

I just think feminism (as a specific movement, not women's rights in general) needs to be moved away from, because it leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and doesn't really help fight sexism.

No, feminism has not been taken over by the sexists. This is actual "feminism":

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/10/5-types-of-serious-abuse/

The fringe is in no way representative of Feminism regardless of what the alt right has attempted to convince people of. Modern feminism is just where it needs to be. What heeds to be understood is that what the alt right has attempted to convince people is " feminism" really isn't. The first thing people should do is actually educate themselves on what feminism actually is.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

She is a terrible human.

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I think you and DeFranco give this one woman too much credit.

Though not every person who calls themselves a feminist is sexist, but I'm sure some BLM people still work for the intial cause that started it.

I just think feminism (as a specific movement, not women's rights in general) needs to be moved away from, because it leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and doesn't really help fight sexism.

Plus most rights movements don't have a specific word. There isn't homoism as far as I'm aware, atleast not in terms of fighting for gay rights.

While I agree that Feminism was taken over by sexists I think the problem run deeper, the problem is that the movement itself has nothing more to demand that is actually achievable by a goverment or any actual ruling body, except one, and that is treatment of women by minority groups and other countries, of course, doing this will be racist by the insane modern standards (so you get feminists protecting women's right to be forced to wear Burka, progress!).

So what is left for feminism to justify it's existence? Complaining about cultural depiction of women, which is both in endless supply (as no actual proof is needed) and even if it has a kernel of truth (and it usually doesn't) won't achieve anything as society will not rewrite its culture to answer to the whims of an insane group, especially as said group will find what to complain about even if its ideas are implemented.

Actually they are still working on the treatment of women and minorities in the US by the government. The courts still have a long way to go.
Things like this should never be allowed to happen in courtroom:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/gang-rape-victim-jared-len-cruse_n_2205190.html
http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/06/the-montana-judge-who-blamed-a-14-year-old-for-her-own-rape-will-be-censured/372185/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/07/kevin-rojano-child-rapist-sentence-reduced_n_7019762.html
http://www.businessinsider.com/female-soldier-brilliantly-calls-out-military-for-blaming-victims-of-sexual-assault-2013-8
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11732333/Periods-are-harming-our-career-prospects.-This-aint-working.html
http://www.thewire.com/national/2012/03/inherent-inequality-health-care-women/50040/
https://www.listenmoneymatters.com/the-pink-tax/

 

[Saelune]

She is a terrible human.

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I think you and DeFranco give this one woman too much credit.

Though not every person who calls themselves a feminist is sexist, but I'm sure some BLM people still work for the intial cause that started it.

I just think feminism (as a specific movement, not women's rights in general) needs to be moved away from, because it leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and doesn't really help fight sexism.

Plus most rights movements don't have a specific word. There isn't homoism as far as I'm aware, atleast not in terms of fighting for gay rights.

While I agree that Feminism was taken over by sexists I think the problem run deeper, the problem is that the movement itself has nothing more to demand that is actually achievable by a goverment or any actual ruling body, except one, and that is treatment of women by minority groups and other countries, of course, doing this will be racist by the insane modern standards (so you get feminists protecting women's right to be forced to wear Burka, progress!).

So what is left for feminism to justify it's existence? Complaining about cultural depiction of women, which is both in endless supply (as no actual proof is needed) and even if it has a kernel of truth (and it usually doesn't) won't achieve anything as society will not rewrite its culture to answer to the whims of an insane group, especially as said group will find what to complain about even if its ideas are implemented.

Part of the problem is that sexism isn't so clear cut anymore. Back when feminism started, women really were treated like garbage. Not being able to vote is a huge deal. Certainly feminism had to be strong and aggressive, but that aggressive strength nowadays having less of a clear and obvious target, has devolved into sexism and paranoia against men.

My real issue is how it too often targets men as a whole. I do not doubt that men are far more often in power, and there is a "patriarchy" problem, I think many men themselves are victims of this, and its not all men versus all women, as many extreme feminists want people to believe.

She is a terrible human.

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I think you and DeFranco give this one woman too much credit.

Though not every person who calls themselves a feminist is sexist, but I'm sure some BLM people still work for the intial cause that started it.

I just think feminism (as a specific movement, not women's rights in general) needs to be moved away from, because it leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and doesn't really help fight sexism.

No, feminism has not been taken over by the sexists. This is actual "feminism":

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/10/5-types-of-serious-abuse/

The fringe is in no way representative of Feminism regardless of what the alt right has attempted to convince people of. Modern feminism is just where it needs to be. What heeds to be understood is that what the alt right has attempted to convince people is " feminism" really isn't. The first thing people should do is actually educate themselves on what feminism actually is.

The non-extreme feminists need to clear away from the extremists. I feel it is too late to simply root out the extremists from the movement, and would better serve women's rights to reform outside of the term "feminism". Or all go to the Middle-East and many Asian countries where extreme feminism could do a lot of good.

Its not really up to the ignorant of such to learn. That is to say, those of us fighting for equal rights and an end to ignorant discrimination have to educate and convince, not just yell at people to know better, because they likely wont. Good on any who do take the initiate to remove their ignorance, but you wont really improve the conditions for women by waiting for them to think like you do.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

"Dudeist, you believe in gender equality, you're a feminist"

I don't get why this isn't enough for some people. They HAVE to have you fly some banner of political association. I disagree with many of the "good feminists" and stress I am not a feminist even though I believe in gender equality. I dont like them trying to appropriate me into their group because of a vague blanket statement like gender equality when I know I don't align with their side.

Gender equality=feminism. The reason it isn't enough for some people is because many claim to believe in gender equality that actually don't, both male and female. They often do not understand what equality actually is. It isn't "I like apple pie so you have to eat apple pie too so it is equal". That isn't equal at all. It is like this: Say Apple is my favorite pie and cherry is yours. I get a piece of apple pie and you get a piece of cherry pie and it is equal because we both get a piece of our favorite pie. If we both had cherry pie or apple pie, it would be inequality because one would be forced to have something they were not happy with while the other had what they wanted. Currently much of the world works like that. Men called the shots and then try and force their designed for male system onto women and expect them to "conform" to male standard rather than create a system that works for both men and women equally. Male systems do not take women's issues and needs into consideration with their design, thus why they have to change in order to be equal for everyone involved. It goes much further than adding breastfeeding areas and tampon dispensers to a male designed system to " squeeze in" some girl stuff. Women will need much more say in how the system is designed in the first place for them to even begin to approach actual equality.

Feminists focus on both male and female issues of equality, like providing rape hotlines and counseling for male rape victims. "Feminists" do much more than just focus on female issues, as true equality will allow men and women to be able to do things it was previously considered "socially unacceptable" to do in a male designed society.

Ah! that's a joke if I've ever heard one, do you have example of feminist organizations putting preassure on the courts to give the same punishment for men and women, after all, this is a massive issue for men, it must be one of the first goals for feminists right?

Actually feminists organizations have been putting pressures on courts to completely reform the absurdly broken system.

http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/05/punitive-justice-alternatives/
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/04/prision-injustice-feminism/
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/05/restorative-justice-for-abuse/

The current Justice system helps no one and harms everyone. That needs to change is the issue. harsher prison for either men or women is a horrible idea. It only makes it worse, not better.

Equality is women having a say in the design of the actual system, not agree with a horrible broken system and make the situation even worse.
In addition, why would it be a "massive issue" for men to want women to have harsher punishments rather than redesign the terribly broken system to actually improve the lives of both men and women and solve these issues long term? Seems like that would be more beneficial to everyone involved wouldn't you think?

 

[Dizchu]

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I don't call myself a feminist either but I don't think feminism has been "taken over by sexists". The only reason you believe that is because the sensationalist nonsense becomes viral and it gets places like Buzzfeed a lot of clicks. Most people who call themselves feminists are like you and I.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

She is a terrible human.

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I think you and DeFranco give this one woman too much credit.

Though not every person who calls themselves a feminist is sexist, but I'm sure some BLM people still work for the intial cause that started it.

I just think feminism (as a specific movement, not women's rights in general) needs to be moved away from, because it leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and doesn't really help fight sexism.

Plus most rights movements don't have a specific word. There isn't homoism as far as I'm aware, atleast not in terms of fighting for gay rights.

While I agree that Feminism was taken over by sexists I think the problem run deeper, the problem is that the movement itself has nothing more to demand that is actually achievable by a goverment or any actual ruling body, except one, and that is treatment of women by minority groups and other countries, of course, doing this will be racist by the insane modern standards (so you get feminists protecting women's right to be forced to wear Burka, progress!).

So what is left for feminism to justify it's existence? Complaining about cultural depiction of women, which is both in endless supply (as no actual proof is needed) and even if it has a kernel of truth (and it usually doesn't) won't achieve anything as society will not rewrite its culture to answer to the whims of an insane group, especially as said group will find what to complain about even if its ideas are implemented.

Part of the problem is that sexism isn't so clear cut anymore. Back when feminism started, women really were treated like garbage. Not being able to vote is a huge deal. Certainly feminism had to be strong and aggressive, but that aggressive strength nowadays having less of a clear and obvious target, has devolved into sexism and paranoia against men.

My real issue is how it too often targets men as a whole. I do not doubt that men are far more often in power, and there is a "patriarchy" problem, I think many men themselves are victims of this, and its not all men versus all women, as many extreme feminists want people to believe.

She is a terrible human.

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I think you and DeFranco give this one woman too much credit.

Though not every person who calls themselves a feminist is sexist, but I'm sure some BLM people still work for the intial cause that started it.

I just think feminism (as a specific movement, not women's rights in general) needs to be moved away from, because it leaves a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths and doesn't really help fight sexism.

No, feminism has not been taken over by the sexists. This is actual "feminism":

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/10/5-types-of-serious-abuse/

The fringe is in no way representative of Feminism regardless of what the alt right has attempted to convince people of. Modern feminism is just where it needs to be. What heeds to be understood is that what the alt right has attempted to convince people is " feminism" really isn't. The first thing people should do is actually educate themselves on what feminism actually is.

The non-extreme feminists need to clear away from the extremists. I feel it is too late to simply root out the extremists from the movement, and would better serve women's rights to reform outside of the term "feminism". Or all go to the Middle-East and many Asian countries where extreme feminism could do a lot of good.

Its not really up to the ignorant of such to learn. That is to say, those of us fighting for equal rights and an end to ignorant discrimination have to educate and convince, not just yell at people to know better, because they likely wont. Good on any who do take the initiate to remove their ignorance, but you wont really improve the conditions for women by waiting for them to think like you do.

The non extremist ARE the mainstream feminists. There is nothing " extreme" about feminism, you are confusing Matriarchy with feminism and they are not the same at all. Most feminists do not believe any of the " junk" you seem to think they do. That is just alt right propaganda, not actually reality. I come from an actual Matriarchal society, feminism is NOTHING like that. LOL

Yes, it is up to the ignorant to learn, otherwise we would all be walking around like a bunch of brainwashed zombies being able to be recruited by the next cult or fascist that comes along. Kinda like the courts " ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it" ( aka: Go educate yourself before you do something stupid) Ignorance of reality is no excuse for staying that way. " feminism" isn't a brand trying to sell itself, it is just trying to improve the world to make it a better place for everyone in it. It is up to us to find out how.

 

[Just Ebola]

Philip Defranco

Whoops, first sentence and I already want to stop reading. I'm really hesitant to give that slack-jawed vulture even one additional view for him to cash in. He's basically lower than a maggot sucking on the eye socket of a dead crow.

Anyways, feminism has long since ceased being a platform for actual equality and more of a mask for squawking sexists to rally behind. A customer the driver is obliged to be nice to berating him for a fucking dashboard ornament? That's just beyond shitty, I doubt I would've been as civil. Of course that doesn't mean he's a saint either.

Shitty people being shitty, just another case.

 

[Saelune]

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I don't call myself a feminist either but I don't think feminism has been "taken over by sexists". The only reason you believe that is because the sensationalist nonsense becomes viral and it gets places like Buzzfeed a lot of clicks. Most people who call themselves feminists are like you and I.

Maybe, but again, equal rights movements really are the enemy of stupid people. Whether that stupidity is merely ignorance and lack of understanding, or straight up bigoted hate. It might be too much to expect those who need to understand the causes of equal rights to know the difference. I still think moving away from the term feminism is a good thing either way, because as often as people try to say "Feminism IS about equal rights for men and women" it too often doesn't come off that way.

The non extremist ARE the mainstream feminists. There is nothing " extreme" about feminism, you are confusing Matriarchy with feminism and they are not the same at all. Most feminists do not believe any of the " junk" you seem to think they do. That is just alt right propaganda, not actually reality. I come from an actual Matriarchal society, feminism is NOTHING like that. LOL

Yes, it is up to the ignorant to learn, otherwise we would all be walking around like a bunch of brainwashed zombies being able to be recruited by the next cult or fascist that comes along. Kinda like the courts " ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it" ( aka: Go educate yourself before you do something stupid) Ignorance of reality is no excuse for staying that way. " feminism" isn't a brand trying to sell itself, it is just trying to improve the world to make it a better place for everyone in it. It is up to us to find out how.

They should learn, but again, with people like Trump rallying them, they really wont do that on their own. Its like a math teacher failing a kid without ever explaining what they got wrong. The kid doesn't learn anything from it. You can yell at the kid to study, but if he wont, or cant understand, then he needs to be taught.

And I think ignorance can be excused. Infact, I think if people were more understanding of ignorance, we could deal with it better. Things like murder shouldn't be excused, but if I go to another country and accidentally offend someone because of culture differences, the best result is they inform me. If I do it again, or don't care, that's one thing, but really, some cultural wrongs are so insane sometimes and causes more issues than need be.

And also, since you feel confident that feminism isn't as bad as I think it is, then I return to the idea of rooting out the bad apples. Just as outsiders need to know what "true feminism" is, then so should those part of it. The woman in the video in the OP for one, could use some education on the subject.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

The non extremist ARE the mainstream feminists. There is nothing " extreme" about feminism, you are confusing Matriarchy with feminism and they are not the same at all. Most feminists do not believe any of the " junk" you seem to think they do. That is just alt right propaganda, not actually reality. I come from an actual Matriarchal society, feminism is NOTHING like that. LOL

Yes, it is up to the ignorant to learn, otherwise we would all be walking around like a bunch of brainwashed zombies being able to be recruited by the next cult or fascist that comes along. Kinda like the courts " ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it" ( aka: Go educate yourself before you do something stupid) Ignorance of reality is no excuse for staying that way. " feminism" isn't a brand trying to sell itself, it is just trying to improve the world to make it a better place for everyone in it. It is up to us to find out how.

Pretty much ... Feminism isn't one big happy family, either. You have a metric fuckton of different schools of feminist thought that span philosophical dialects in the very core metaphysics of relations.

When I say; "I'm a transfeminist..." that doesn't mean anything more than assuming the right of transgender expression, an agreement that existence precedes essence (existentialism), and that transgender equality is a core fundamental philosophical component for which I will actively apply myself towards transforming into a political reality and both reflect and uphold the metaphysical and moral right one has to determine the nature of their relations.

Given the similarity of these beliefs ... even if I didn't call myself a transfeminist, I mirror the rhetoric pretty darn hard and it wouldn't be remiss of others to say; "So you're a transfeminist...?" It does not assume for a moment that I belong to one big happy family with every other feminist. I can guarantee you I do not.

It's like if I call myself a libertarian (classical, not America-speak) ... it means precisely that. I believe in a universal relationship whereby I assume free will exists, and that I live in a universe that is at/on some fundamental level based on indeterminism. Those metaphysical values inform my moral conscience, they also help to inform me about what I think is real, and how I might approach a metaphysical quandary in all space-time, and material reality (if there is a cogent one to begin with).

 

[Fox12]

I don't know, man. Feminism is a big thing. It's got movements, and waves, and books and shit. I don't think you can judge the whole movement because of a ***** in a car. It's always okay to do that until someone does it to you : /

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

Hey guys, let's all just admit she's not a very nice person and move on? There's few enough of us Escapers left without mods needing to step in and hammer people for poorly worded responses or impassioned rants.
Besides at this rate this thread will be locked before dawn of the third day.

 

[Saelune]

Hey guys, let's all just admit she's not a very nice person and move on? There's few enough of us Escapers left without mods needing to step in and hammer people for poorly worded responses or impassioned rants.
Besides at this rate this thread will be locked before dawn of the third day.

I think we're all being rather civil here. In my experience, the Escapist is pretty open to discussions like this, which is one of the main reasons I like it here.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

That said, I personally don't call myself a feminist because I fight for equal rights, and feminism has been taken over by sexists.

I don't call myself a feminist either but I don't think feminism has been "taken over by sexists". The only reason you believe that is because the sensationalist nonsense becomes viral and it gets places like Buzzfeed a lot of clicks. Most people who call themselves feminists are like you and I.

Maybe, but again, equal rights movements really are the enemy of stupid people. Whether that stupidity is merely ignorance and lack of understanding, or straight up bigoted hate. It might be too much to expect those who need to understand the causes of equal rights to know the difference. I still think moving away from the term feminism is a good thing either way, because as often as people try to say "Feminism IS about equal rights for men and women" it too often doesn't come off that way.

The non extremist ARE the mainstream feminists. There is nothing " extreme" about feminism, you are confusing Matriarchy with feminism and they are not the same at all. Most feminists do not believe any of the " junk" you seem to think they do. That is just alt right propaganda, not actually reality. I come from an actual Matriarchal society, feminism is NOTHING like that. LOL

Yes, it is up to the ignorant to learn, otherwise we would all be walking around like a bunch of brainwashed zombies being able to be recruited by the next cult or fascist that comes along. Kinda like the courts " ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it" ( aka: Go educate yourself before you do something stupid) Ignorance of reality is no excuse for staying that way. " feminism" isn't a brand trying to sell itself, it is just trying to improve the world to make it a better place for everyone in it. It is up to us to find out how.

They should learn, but again, with people like Trump rallying them, they really wont do that on their own. Its like a math teacher failing a kid without ever explaining what they got wrong. The kid doesn't learn anything from it. You can yell at the kid to study, but if he wont, or cant understand, then he needs to be taught.

And I think ignorance can be excused. Infact, I think if people were more understanding of ignorance, we could deal with it better. Things like murder shouldn't be excused, but if I go to another country and accidentally offend someone because of culture differences, the best result is they inform me. If I do it again, or don't care, that's one thing, but really, some cultural wrongs are so insane sometimes and causes more issues than need be.

And also, since you feel confident that feminism isn't as bad as I think it is, then I return to the idea of rooting out the bad apples. Just as outsiders need to know what "true feminism" is, then so should those part of it. The woman in the video in the OP for one, could use some education on the subject.

The woman in the video probably knows what feminism is, she is just a really horrible person is the reality. I agree that ignorance should be excused, to an extent. There is of course " willful ignorance" on the other hand, which isn't a matter of not having access to knowledge, but instead deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts because they don't want to know. Those people are responsible for their situation vs those who simply were not aware that could even be a possibility.

In regards to feminism, there has been so much alt right propaganda over the last few years, many people genuinely do not know that feminists fight from male rape victims, provides counseling and hotlines for men, and takes in men and their children and provides them shelter. Many now do not actually know what feminists have been doing to help people they just showcase a person here and there behaving horribly and attempt to claim "this is what feminism is" when in reality the feminists out there actually making a difference do not even know who these whack jobs are. I see chic's like this, guys like the one making that video the rad-fems and the MRA's as all one in the same and they should go scuttle off to go bicker among themselves and leave everyone else to make the needed changes to improve the world we live in. We are better off ignoring them to get back to what really needs done. Those people exist just to try and make everyone miserable, and we really do not need them to make a difference here. Instead of bickering about that nonsense, time would be better spent trying to find actual solutions to the very pressing issues affecting both men and women so that generations to come are not having to deal with these very same issues.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Hey guys, let's all just admit she's not a very nice person and move on? There's few enough of us Escapers left without mods needing to step in and hammer people for poorly worded responses or impassioned rants.
Besides at this rate this thread will be locked before dawn of the third day.

I thought everyone was behaving surprisingly civil thus far.

I think we're all being rather civil here. In my experience, the Escapist is pretty open to discussions like this, which is one of the main reasons I like it here.

Doh! Ninja'd!

 

[Saelune]

The woman in the video probably knows what feminism is, she is just a really horrible person is the reality. I agree that ignorance should be excused, to an extent. There is of course " willful ignorance" on the other hand, which isn't a matter of not having access to knowledge, but instead deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts because they don't want to know. Those people are responsible for their situation vs those who simply were not aware that could even be a possibility.

In regards to feminism, there has been so much alt right propaganda over the last few years, many people genuinely do not know that feminists fight from male rape victims, provides counseling and hotlines for men, and takes in men and their children and provides them shelter. Many now do not actually know what feminists have been doing to help people they just showcase a person here and there behaving horribly and attempt to claim "this is what feminism is" when in reality the feminists out there actually making a difference do not even know who these whack jobs are. I see chic's like this, guys like the one making that video the rad-fems and the MRA's as all one in the same and they should go scuttle off to go bicker among themselves and leave everyone else to make the needed changes to improve the world we live in. We are better off ignoring them to get back to what really needs done. Those people exist just to try and make everyone miserable, and we really do not need them to make a difference here. Instead of bickering about that nonsense, time would be better spent trying to find actual solutions to the very pressing issues affecting both men and women so that generations to come are not having to deal with these very same issues.

Ive seen too many instances of the opposite. I certainly hope its as you say, and not what I think, but Ive seen too many of the bad apples be just that. My point I keep saying though, is even if what you say is true, it is a hindrance to have such a terrible picture be painted in so many people's heads.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

The woman in the video probably knows what feminism is, she is just a really horrible person is the reality. I agree that ignorance should be excused, to an extent. There is of course " willful ignorance" on the other hand, which isn't a matter of not having access to knowledge, but instead deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts because they don't want to know. Those people are responsible for their situation vs those who simply were not aware that could even be a possibility.

In regards to feminism, there has been so much alt right propaganda over the last few years, many people genuinely do not know that feminists fight from male rape victims, provides counseling and hotlines for men, and takes in men and their children and provides them shelter. Many now do not actually know what feminists have been doing to help people they just showcase a person here and there behaving horribly and attempt to claim "this is what feminism is" when in reality the feminists out there actually making a difference do not even know who these whack jobs are. I see chic's like this, guys like the one making that video the rad-fems and the MRA's as all one in the same and they should go scuttle off to go bicker among themselves and leave everyone else to make the needed changes to improve the world we live in. We are better off ignoring them to get back to what really needs done. Those people exist just to try and make everyone miserable, and we really do not need them to make a difference here. Instead of bickering about that nonsense, time would be better spent trying to find actual solutions to the very pressing issues affecting both men and women so that generations to come are not having to deal with these very same issues.

Ive seen too many instances of the opposite. I certainly hope its as you say, and not what I think, but Ive seen too many of the bad apples be just that. My point I keep saying though, is even if what you say is true, it is a hindrance to have such a terrible picture be painted in so many people's heads.

Truth is there are a LOT of bad apples in this world of many types. The Alt right have been putting out quite a bit of propaganda, and it is usually more interesting to read about bad stuff than good. People will click on the article about " crazy feminist lady berates driver" than they will about " if you are in need of help call this number" The good things pretty much get overshadowed due to sensationalized click bait. There is plenty of good stuff out there, just people aren't interested in discussing that, they want to see what the crazy lady did instead. The reality is good is boring to talk about, so people are not really talking about that so the psycho chic gets the spotlight while the good guys are ignored.

 

[Saelune]

The woman in the video probably knows what feminism is, she is just a really horrible person is the reality. I agree that ignorance should be excused, to an extent. There is of course " willful ignorance" on the other hand, which isn't a matter of not having access to knowledge, but instead deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts because they don't want to know. Those people are responsible for their situation vs those who simply were not aware that could even be a possibility.

In regards to feminism, there has been so much alt right propaganda over the last few years, many people genuinely do not know that feminists fight from male rape victims, provides counseling and hotlines for men, and takes in men and their children and provides them shelter. Many now do not actually know what feminists have been doing to help people they just showcase a person here and there behaving horribly and attempt to claim "this is what feminism is" when in reality the feminists out there actually making a difference do not even know who these whack jobs are. I see chic's like this, guys like the one making that video the rad-fems and the MRA's as all one in the same and they should go scuttle off to go bicker among themselves and leave everyone else to make the needed changes to improve the world we live in. We are better off ignoring them to get back to what really needs done. Those people exist just to try and make everyone miserable, and we really do not need them to make a difference here. Instead of bickering about that nonsense, time would be better spent trying to find actual solutions to the very pressing issues affecting both men and women so that generations to come are not having to deal with these very same issues.

Ive seen too many instances of the opposite. I certainly hope its as you say, and not what I think, but Ive seen too many of the bad apples be just that. My point I keep saying though, is even if what you say is true, it is a hindrance to have such a terrible picture be painted in so many people's heads.

Truth is there are a LOT of bad apples in this world of many types. The Alt right have been putting out quite a bit of propaganda, and it is usually more interesting to read about bad stuff than good. People will click on the article about " crazy feminist lady berates driver" than they will about " if you are in need of help call this number" The good things pretty much get overshadowed due to sensationalized click bait. There is plenty of good stuff out there, just people aren't interested in discussing that, they want to see what the crazy lady did instead. The reality is good is boring to talk about, so people are not really talking about that.

Well, I like the good stuff. Helps remind me why I care. (Like the story about the neighbors removing the graffiti).

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

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Just a friendly reminder/voice of concern. Topics like this, with feminism, SJWs and freaking Defranco are like zombie outbreaks. At first it seems like its under control, nothing to worry about, how could they possibly get out of containment?

Then before you know it, there's an intruder in Sector 2 and one of us has to go into Sub Basement 3 to check out that strange noise, and Becky is in the backyard telling her boyfriend its not funny to hide in the bushes to scare her. People start to die off, everyone's pointing fingers at who's in charge of the illegal genetic experiments that led to this, and 'corporate' orders the whole area sterilized.

I've seen it happen a hundred times.

 

[Erttheking]

(so you get feminists protecting women's right to be forced to wear Burka, progress!).

Yeah, because the obvious right thing to do was to let the government tell women what they aren't allowed to wear. Because that's somehow better. Also no woman ever wore that thing voluntarily and every last one was forced to do it.

Seriously man, France was not sticking up for the rights of women there. France was being just as bad as those who force women to wear certain things. Dictating what someone is allowed to wear is not freedom. Saying someone has to wear something is bad. Saying they're not allowed to wear something is JUST as bad. THE PIECE OF CLOTHING ITSELF IS NOT THE FUCKING PROBLEM!

OT: Because people blow it out of proportion every time and stereotype the entire movement? Because it's funny, people get angry when that's done to gamers yet apparently it's ok for feminists.