So IGN decided to ask "why do people hate EA"

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ThriKreen

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Lovely Mixture said:
Don't generalize the "masturbatory" behavior of some people into the whole of people who have legitimate criticism of EA. Ignoring the problem doesn't solve the problem.
Neither is selectively ignoring some aspects of how and why things occurred that was a result of the studio itself [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_14/87-The-Conquest-of-Origin] and pinning all the blame on EA.

It is a perspective problem, not so much "Oh, people in such and such a country have it worse!" but more of, if you saw the Big Picture, you'd realize that a lot of "EA is Evil" actions is more "EA is making a business decision". Shutting a poor performing studio down, sure - I see a lot of Pandemic love, sure, but how well did their last games do? Bear in mind the release year and when EA bought them out.

But the way some people attribute evil to EA, makes it sound like they just buy studios then intentionally shut them down. Sounds like a waste of money and effort to go about doing that.

There's a difference between kicking a puppy just because, and putting an old dog suffering from organ failure down. But people only see the harmful, final act, but not the reasons behind it.

I mean, what if someone came up and showed all the "EA forces the studios to make bad games" reasoning was actually all due to the studios themselves? All EA did was say "Here's your budget, we'd like the game to be released in 2-3 years, go."

Would you still say EA is evil?

I would also point out that EA has changed the past decade, but that's the problem with having a legacy.
 

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martyrdrebel27 said:
Ragsnstitches said:
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Ragsnstitches said:
http://investor.ea.com/stockquote.cfm
wow that chart is pretty interesting. notice how right around the 2008 mark the share price almost instantly dropped from $50 to $15? and it never really recovered. i think that right there shows that people have had enough of their shit.
I noticed that, but I figured that had more to do with the global recession then it did anything they did themselves. This was around the time Mirrors Edge and the first Dead Space were released, so if anything confidence would have been higher not lower... but all major business were feeling the fallout.
hmm, you're almost certainly right about that. i didn't bother looking up what EA was doing in 2008, i just assumed they were shitting all over us like they always do, but the year of Dead Space and Mirror's Edge should have been a good one (i loved both those games), so yeah, it probably had more to do with the overall economy. Still, fuck those guys. haha. I have already made peace with the fact that Mass Effect 3 was the last EA game i'll ever play. That's not to say they won't release a game i want, they almost assuredly will, but the reason boycotts and protests no longer work is that people just give in to something they want regardless of the ramifications.
*Cough* Spore DRM Fiasco *Cough cough*
 

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Any company that alienates its fanbase with every move it makes, claiming to do so for them, is akin to a company that spits in your eye and tells you you asked for it. The nitty gritty business side? Yeah, it's kinda awful. But EA is an insulting company. Everything it does in an insult to those who like its products, and to videogames in general. People feel insulted by EA's very presence.
Exactly. This is where my disgust with EA comes from. Every time I hear one of their "creative" producers or CEOs speak up, I feel incredibly insulted. Either by the utter stupidity of the person talking or the fact that they seemingly know they're peddling bullshit but just expect me to bend over and take it.

Take the recent examples of their ad campaigns for Dead Space 2 and Origin.

The former involved the brilliant tag line, "Your mom's going to hate it." This not only shows the lack of thought on EAs part but also shows how they view us, the gamers. They literally consider all of us as childish little shits who are only interested in ultra violence, following the crowd, and pissing of mommy and daddy.

That latter, which should have been about what benefits one gets from using Origin, involved nothing more than a smear campaign against everyone else. Instead of playing up what Origin gave you, they simply told people that they HAD to use it for their games and that they should use it because everyone else is so "bad".

Hell, they even took pot shots at Activision and Call of Duty as a selling point for Origin. I mean, what the bloody fuck EA?

Worse was their (admittedly almost brilliant if sinister) plan to smear the name of Steam. It didn't involve pointing out the actual flaws of Steam or any such thing (which would have been easy to do, even if Origin doesn't exactly "fix" those flaws), it was all about creating strange situations and then PR spinning it to make EA look like the "poor, innocent publisher being hounded by the big, mean 'ole Valve".

Take Crysis 2, for example. It was originally on Steam; as well as other DD services. When EA decided to bring it to Origin, they came up with a plan. That plan involved all-but strong-arming Crytek into signing an agreement wherein the Origin version of Crysis 2 would be the only version to receive future DRM, patches, and updates.

As a result, Valve looked at this "deal" and basically said, "Um...yeah. Screw that. We're not going to sell nerfed, broken versions of this game to our users that literally have no chance of being fixed. Especially when this other version will be updated and we're forced to sell our version at the same price as the better version."

This was when Valve decided to pull the game from the store. Anyone who'd already bought it could still access it from their account at any time. They simply wouldn't be selling more copies.

As soon as this happened, EA started spinning. They immediately released several press-releases proclaiming Valve "had restrictive DLC policies that prevented EA from providing the best possible product to the users". And, that Valve "removed the game because it didn't give them the profit control they wanted."

This happened with Dragon Age 2 as well.

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So basically, a combination of these things above, as well as several other grievances, are why I "hate" EA. They started as a company that gave a shit about gamers and gaming. They wanted to create great works and pursue original ideas. But now? It's nothing but profit margins and "fuck the gamers". After all, we're nothing more than "entitled whiners". Right?
 

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Vigormortis said:
Take Crysis 2, for example. It was originally on Steam; as well as other DD services. When EA decided to bring it to Origin, they came up with a plan. That plan involved all-but strong-arming Crytek into signing an agreement wherein the Origin version of Crysis 2 would be the only version to receive future DRM, patches, and updates.

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As soon as this happened, EA started spinning. They immediately released several press-releases proclaiming Valve "had restrictive DLC policies that prevented EA from providing the best possible product to the users". And, that Valve "removed the game because it didn't give them the profit control they wanted."
Every reference I've seen says it's the latter, that Steam wants all DLC to be through their store and removes games that do not conform to that policy. And it was Crytek that utilized some other DD service, not EA (since Crytek is an EA partner, not an owned studio). Meanwhile, Crysis 2 Maximum Edition is on Steam and apparently the DD issue has been resolved. I have yet to see any factual evidence of what you claim in the former, please provide some references.
 

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Ziame said:
Antonio Torrente said:
Ziame said:
Antonio Torrente said:
Ziame said:
Antonio Torrente said:
You know what if EA went bankrupt and goes under, it's gonna be pretty cathartic when it does happen and we laugh and celebrate at its demise.

Although I will feel sorry for the people that will lose their jobs in the process if this ever happens.
yeah and they will hold all the cool IPs in their dead hands, like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Mirror's Edge, Dead Space... really great moment.
At least they are dead right? right?

sigh.........now you made me depressed. :(
They can die after they let all those things go.

Read about Interplay (iirc) holding rights to FreeSpace even though it has no interest in it. Just because.
Being the greedy fucks that they are they will hold on to those franchises to their corporate grave.

Oh wait I forgot I only cared about Mass Effect and that's over. So, let them die. Or let them live. I don't care.
I don't know, as far as I'm concerned Bioware is already indoctrinated with the EA corruption so they are already a lost cause and that includes the Mass Effect series.
 

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most of it was really bad and annoying in that from what i see it is all the opposite of what the article/peter says

i specifically like the "$60 dollar games are dying...mid level games are dying" if so then why are other companies doing so well, why is this a new age for indie developers thanks to digital distribution and low costs?

no these "money-grubbing, monoliths" are the only ones that are suffering

also no corporations are not dogs, treating a business like that is why people hate them, also when my dog shits on the rug i am surprised when ea does it i grab the scoop shovel that is always kept nearby
 

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At first, I thought IGN was going to ask why people hate them.

So, they still don't know, I take it?
 

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Waaghpowa said:
Aeonknight said:
IGN loves it's corporations. Escapist loves anything "indie".
I didn't say the escapist is better, but they don't write stupid ass articles. Like that douche bag who went on about how fans had the right to complain about the changes made to Cole in Infamous 2, but then turned around and called those same people entitled whiners with the whole ME3 debacle.

It may seem silly, but you could generate IGN articles with this and probably not notice the difference.
I just want to inform you that link has brought me plenty of entertainment. Here's a couple of highlights.

What Halo could learn from Call of Duty
How miniguns could increase DmC's popularity.

To be honest when I read the first one of those I immediately googled it to see if it actually existed because I could totally see that as a real article. Sadly (in humor terms only) it doesn't.
 

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My constant question is why the hell people hate EA more than Activision. I have not seen any action of EA match the bullshit Activision pulled on Zampella and West.
 

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I'm just going to say a few names:

Bullfrog
Pandemic
Westwood
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Bioware

That is all.
Also, Origin... That is to say the doods who published Ultima, Wing Commander, System Shock, Crusader no Remorse ect. not their online store thing, though I'm pretty sure that sucks too.
 

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80Maxwell08 said:
Waaghpowa said:
Aeonknight said:
IGN loves it's corporations. Escapist loves anything "indie".
I didn't say the escapist is better, but they don't write stupid ass articles. Like that douche bag who went on about how fans had the right to complain about the changes made to Cole in Infamous 2, but then turned around and called those same people entitled whiners with the whole ME3 debacle.

It may seem silly, but you could generate IGN articles with this and probably not notice the difference.
I just want to inform you that link has brought me plenty of entertainment. Here's a couple of highlights.

What Halo could learn from Call of Duty
How miniguns could increase DmC's popularity.

To be honest when I read the first one of those I immediately googled it to see if it actually existed because I could totally see that as a real article. Sadly (in humor terms only) it doesn't.
I got 'Farmville meets Assassin's Creed in the new Devil May Cry sequel'. That is the best thing ever.
 

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EA Apologists are the worst people. They're consumers getting screwed over in every concievable way by the EA wallet-rape machine, but they take it with a smile and ask for more. At least the EA haters realize they're getting a raw deal and have decided to do something about it.

Even the people who hate EA but still buy the games are at least aware that they're getting screwed over but feel the product is worth the un-lubbed anal intrusion.

Oh, and a lot of us still remember the ME3 ending fiasco. Just because you (IGN) were paid not to give a shit, doesn't mean the rest of us have forgotten already.

...And their digital distribution platform is spyware.
 

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Waaghpowa said:
Aeonknight said:
IGN loves it's corporations. Escapist loves anything "indie".
I didn't say the escapist is better, but they don't write stupid ass articles. Like that douche bag who went on about how fans had the right to complain about the changes made to Cole in Infamous 2, but then turned around and called those same people entitled whiners with the whole ME3 debacle.

It may seem silly, but you could generate IGN articles with this and probably not notice the difference.
"God of War meets Skyrim in the new Imagine: Babyz sequel."

"Is MineSweeper a Ratchet & Clank for adults?"

"How space exploration could increase Zelda's popularity."

Ah... that was fun.

OT: Perhaps the idea was to make EA look honest in comparison to IGN or something.
 

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wintercoat said:
80Maxwell08 said:
Waaghpowa said:
Aeonknight said:
IGN loves it's corporations. Escapist loves anything "indie".
I didn't say the escapist is better, but they don't write stupid ass articles. Like that douche bag who went on about how fans had the right to complain about the changes made to Cole in Infamous 2, but then turned around and called those same people entitled whiners with the whole ME3 debacle.

It may seem silly, but you could generate IGN articles with this and probably not notice the difference.
I just want to inform you that link has brought me plenty of entertainment. Here's a couple of highlights.

What Halo could learn from Call of Duty
How miniguns could increase DmC's popularity.

To be honest when I read the first one of those I immediately googled it to see if it actually existed because I could totally see that as a real article. Sadly (in humor terms only) it doesn't.
I got 'Farmville meets Assassin's Creed in the new Devil May Cry sequel'. That is the best thing ever.
I feel like I'm encouraging being off topic here but some of these are just too good.

What Professor Layton could learn from Dora the Explorer.
Should Beyond Good & Evil be a breeding simulator? (oh dear god the fan fiction)
Crackdown meets Sim City in the new Duck Tales sequel. (duck tails aside that sounds kickass)
Should Skyrim be more cinematic? (I swear I can see articles like this actually happening)
Should Minecraft be a browser game? (definitely can see this as being a real article. especially since it can be played in browser)
GDC: The screen resolutions in Ratchet & Clank gave me herpes. (A lesson to Jessica Chobot to stop licking sony handhelds)

Ok I'm stopping now.
 

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ThriKreen said:
Neither is selectively ignoring some aspects of how and why things occurred that was a result of the studio itself [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_14/87-The-Conquest-of-Origin] and pinning all the blame on EA.
Yes and? I don't pin all the blame on EA. Developers such as Bioware and Frictional games have just as much blame as EA does, they knew what they were getting into.


It is a perspective problem, not so much "Oh, people in such and such a country have it worse!" but more of, if you saw the Big Picture, you'd realize that a lot of "EA is Evil" actions is more "EA is making a business decision". Shutting a poor performing studio down, sure - I see a lot of Pandemic love, sure, but how well did their last games do? Bear in mind the release year and when EA bought them out.
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There's a difference between kicking a puppy just because, and putting an old dog suffering from organ failure down. But people only see the harmful, final act, but not the reasons behind it.
I don't watch or read MovieBob anymore, cause I think he ironically enough misses the big picture. And EA's definition of "poor performing studio" is rather silly considering they will consider Dead Space 3 a failure if it doesn't make more than 5 MILLION copies. I'm more angry with how they interfere with studio's creativity.

But the way some people attribute evil to EA, makes it sound like they just buy studios then intentionally shut them down. Sounds like a waste of money and effort to go about doing that.
Yeah, but again that's not everyone. I'm certainly not arguing that.

I mean, what if someone came up and showed all the "EA forces the studios to make bad games" reasoning was actually all due to the studios themselves? All EA did was say "Here's your budget, we'd like the game to be released in 2-3 years, go."

Would you still say EA is evil?
Like I said, I don't blame EA for everything. I give blame where it is due.


I only consider EA as evil as the countless other companies who ONLY care about profit rather than making new games.

Bloodstain said:
Okay, fine, you may be right that I impose my views on others, fair enough. Hate, if you feel it's necessary.
It's not about it being necessary, it's just an emotion I have. Can't do much about it.

Bloodstain said:
I didn't even see that as a problem worth complaining about before anyway -- but bestowing the 'Worst Company' award upon EA is just beyond unjustified, seeing as it's a comparison of all American companies, including the really big problem makers.
Putting that last part in consideration, you do have a point. I don't think EA is the worst company (one of the worst videogame related ones though), so I can see why interference with the poll would be concerning. But hopefully it won't stop the far worse companies from escaping the spotlight.
 

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I find it funny how he states that EA was voted the worst company in America because of nerd rage over the Mass Effect 3 ending, while in fact EA was voted the worst company in America BEFORE Mass Effect 3 was released.
True, does anyone really expect IGN fact check.

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I for one hail our new Kickstarter overlords.
 

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EA is hated because scapegoating is fun! They're far from the best publisher out there, but I'd still consider Activision to be worse.
 

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Antonio Torrente said:
Ziame said:
Antonio Torrente said:
You know what if EA went bankrupt and goes under, it's gonna be pretty cathartic when it does happen and we laugh and celebrate at its demise.

Although I will feel sorry for the people that will lose their jobs in the process if this ever happens.
yeah and they will hold all the cool IPs in their dead hands, like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Mirror's Edge, Dead Space... really great moment.
At least they are dead right? right?

sigh.........now you made me depressed. :(
No if they go into administration they will need to sell ALL their ip´s en masse.