So.... Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, thoughts?

[FFP2]

I'll just leave you with this video...


It's a P* game... You really don't need to know much more than that.

Even though I can't parry for shit in this game I'll probably get it when it's around 30$

 

[Gottesstrafe]

To paraphrase Matt and Pat from Two Best Friends Play:

I said before, can you imagine if 10 years ago somebody said "You'd be sick hype for the new Raiden game but you don't care much for a Devil May Cry game" and I would've punched anyone in the face.

Funny how things change with time, right?

 

[Kopikatsu]

Having played it (not beaten yet), I can say the Demo did not lie. But damn if the bosses arent a *****...

I've actually found the bosses really easy so far, with the sole exception of Blade Wolf. Even if you do manage to counter Wolf's attacks, he'll either hit you anyway, stagger your guard, or (and this is extremely rare) sit there and eat a low damaging combo.

I gotta ask though, does anyone know how to daze enemies? The game expects me to kill seven Cyborgs and a Gekko in 40 seconds, and that shit just ain't happenin'.

Also, is there a NG+ or chapter select? I don't want to spend the entire game saving up for the Fox Blade at the expense of gimping myself, and then only spend two missions using it.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Having played it (not beaten yet), I can say the Demo did not lie. But damn if the bosses arent a *****...

I've actually found the bosses really easy so far, with the sole exception of Blade Wolf. Even if you do manage to counter Wolf's attacks, he'll either hit you anyway, stagger your guard, or (and this is extremely rare) sit there and eat a low damaging combo.

I gotta ask though, does anyone know how to daze enemies? The game expects me to kill seven Cyborgs and a Gekko in 40 seconds, and that shit just ain't happenin'.

Also, is there a NG+ or chapter select? I don't want to spend the entire game saving up for the Fox Blade at the expense of gimping myself, and then only spend two missions using it.

I'm not positive, but I want to say a review said all your BP and equipment carry over across playthroughs and difficulty levels even. (Outside the prologue)

 

[Roman Monaghan]

My thoughts are I feel like the only person in the world who fucking hates this game.

Someone please enlighten me on why so many people are pretending it's not a huge waste. It feels like Crackdown all over again.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Having played it (not beaten yet), I can say the Demo did not lie. But damn if the bosses arent a *****...

I've actually found the bosses really easy so far, with the sole exception of Blade Wolf. Even if you do manage to counter Wolf's attacks, he'll either hit you anyway, stagger your guard, or (and this is extremely rare) sit there and eat a low damaging combo.

I gotta ask though, does anyone know how to daze enemies? The game expects me to kill seven Cyborgs and a Gekko in 40 seconds, and that shit just ain't happenin'.

Also, is there a NG+ or chapter select? I don't want to spend the entire game saving up for the Fox Blade at the expense of gimping myself, and then only spend two missions using it.

Monsoon is making my life hell. I always get him to 40% life, then he goes all Zeong on me and kills me. 4 times I've failed now.

Zeong?

Anyway, eh. I just went toe to toe with him when he fought normally, spammed parry when he used the Red Phosphorous grenade, and flailed about wildly when he did his Buggy the Clown routine.

Yay for tons of Nanorepair pastes or whatever.

 

[Roman Monaghan]

My thoughts are I feel like the only person in the world who fucking hates this game.

Someone please enlighten me on why so many people are pretending it's not a huge waste. It feels like Crackdown all over again.

Cause opinions man.

For a longer answer: Platinum makes great games in this genre, it doesn't affect Metal Gear Solid canon in any way, and the gameplay thus far has been really fun. Those are the three reasons I hear most.

Yeah hasn't ruined the canon in any way except totally missing the point about how Raiden is supposed to be a metaphorical representation of the player in the game. It's like, Raiden sucks, because you the person playing the game sucks. That was kinda the whole sub text of MGS 2. Then in MGS 4 he was metaphorical of the most bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the sub text.

In fact that kinda sums up Revengaence to me perfectly. Bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the point. It's like bad fan fiction. "AND I HATE ROSE SO SHE'S NOT IN THE GAME! AND THEN HE GETS A PET ROBOT DOG! AND THEN HE HAS A SUPER POWERED EVIL SIDE!!!"

The story blows ass and the gameplay isn't as good as Bayonetta, so what exactly justifies this games existence again?

 

[Frostbite3789]

My thoughts are I feel like the only person in the world who fucking hates this game.

Someone please enlighten me on why so many people are pretending it's not a huge waste. It feels like Crackdown all over again.

Cause opinions man.

For a longer answer: Platinum makes great games in this genre, it doesn't affect Metal Gear Solid canon in any way, and the gameplay thus far has been really fun. Those are the three reasons I hear most.

Yeah hasn't ruined the canon in any way except totally missing the point about how Raiden is supposed to be a metaphorical representation of the player in the game. It's like, Raiden sucks, because you the person playing the game sucks. That was kinda the whole sub text of MGS 2. Then in MGS 4 he was metaphorical of the most bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the sub text.

In fact that kinda sums up Revengaence to me perfectly. Bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the point. It's like bad fan fiction. "AND I HATE ROSE SO SHE'S NOT IN THE GAME! AND THEN HE GETS A PET ROBOT DOG! AND THEN HE HAS A SUPER POWERED EVIL SIDE!!!"

The story blows ass and the gameplay isn't as good as Bayonetta, so what exactly justifies this games existence again?

You talk about missing the point and subtext. I think you did that with this game.

 

[CplDustov]

Revengeance? What, did they exhaust the dictionary and just decide to start paging through the thesaurus for obscure words that sound vaguely manly? What's next, exploobs?

Worse! I believe they just made it up... given that I doubt you'll find revengeance in any thesaurus, they just added vengeance and revenge which are almost synonymous as it is...

OT: I feel that the MGS universe was there to tell the story that it told and I'm not completely convinced I can be bothered with more; MGS4 closed off the larger plot arcs and that's over now.
I haven't played MGR:R so I won't knock it. It might be great but I know I'll find myself comparing the themes and story to the main series which is unfair to this game as it's trying something new. Once I can distance myself more I might give it a try as the concept is interesting.

EDIT: Expansion to avoid double post

Yeah hasn't ruined the canon in any way except totally missing the point about how Raiden is supposed to be a metaphorical representation of the player in the game. It's like, Raiden sucks, because you the person playing the game sucks. That was kinda the whole sub text of MGS 2. Then in MGS 4 he was metaphorical of the most bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the sub text.

In fact that kinda sums up Revengaence to me perfectly. Bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the point. It's like bad fan fiction. "AND I HATE ROSE SO SHE'S NOT IN THE GAME! AND THEN HE GETS A PET ROBOT DOG! AND THEN HE HAS A SUPER POWERED EVIL SIDE!!!"

The story blows ass and the gameplay isn't as good as Bayonetta, so what exactly justifies this games existence again?

Surely if Raiden represents the player in MGS2, through wanting a sequel and being Snake(fans)/actually wanting to be like snake(Raiden) and some players complained about the high minded "metababble" thus showing they prefer the superficial elements to the subtext, and then MGR:R comes to literally BE the superficial MGS experience and stars Raiden, surely this is just taking MGS2's subtext to it's logical conclusion.
Raiden's game (and thus Raiden as a concept) is superficial because the subtext is "those fans are superficial" (with regards to what they look for in an MGS game). Even if this is not intentionally trying to portray this the lack of depth would be a reflection of how the deeper elements of the subtext were rejected.

Shorter version. Either, yes they missed the point but the message still exists because of why it has become superficial.. or they didn't and this superficiality is a concious choice.

Please note I use superficial here as meaning "on the surface" rather than "lacking in personal qualities" before someone gets offended and claims I'm accusing them of being selfish or whatever.

 

[endnuen]

My thoughts are I feel like the only person in the world who fucking hates this game.

Someone please enlighten me on why so many people are pretending it's not a huge waste. It feels like Crackdown all over again.

Cause opinions man.

For a longer answer: Platinum makes great games in this genre, it doesn't affect Metal Gear Solid canon in any way, and the gameplay thus far has been really fun. Those are the three reasons I hear most.

Yeah hasn't ruined the canon in any way except totally missing the point about how Raiden is supposed to be a metaphorical representation of the player in the game. It's like, Raiden sucks, because you the person playing the game sucks. That was kinda the whole sub text of MGS 2. Then in MGS 4 he was metaphorical of the most bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the sub text.

In fact that kinda sums up Revengaence to me perfectly. Bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the point. It's like bad fan fiction. "AND I HATE ROSE SO SHE'S NOT IN THE GAME! AND THEN HE GETS A PET ROBOT DOG! AND THEN HE HAS A SUPER POWERED EVIL SIDE!!!"

The story blows ass and the gameplay isn't as good as Bayonetta, so what exactly justifies this games existence again?

You do know the story is Hideo Kojimas own? He wrote rising and just left platinum with the gameplay.
Raiden is just as Hideo wants him to be, and his "evil side" is actually brought up in MGS2 if I recall.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Anyway, eh. I just went toe to toe with him when he fought normally, spammed parry when he used the Red Phosphorous grenade, and flailed about wildly when he did his Buggy the Clown routine.

Yay for tons of Nanorepair pastes or whatever.

I see what you did there and I liked it.

Japan, always giving you the craziest fucked up bad guys since the 80's.

I look forward to fighting him this Fri ever since seeing the fight in the trailer last week.

 

[Kopikatsu]

Forgot to mention...my favorite part of any game ever was when in the second mission. Raiden has a sombrero with a little cape thing because that's how he 'blends in' in Mexico. He then claims that he is an expert in stealth ops and gets out of the car, where two actual Mexicans wearing cowbow hats see him and are like "...The fuck is that?" in Spanish.

 

[Kopikatsu]

With the wire guided Sais. I parry one, the other hits me and does like 35% damage before I can recover. Plus he starts dodging EM grenades.

Well, I knew what a Zeong was, I just didn't know what you were referring to. But now I know, the Sai thing.

Eh, I just spammed sliding kicks until it finally hit him. (Triangle/Y while dashing)

 

[shadow skill]

For the record Revengeance is not a made up word. It is just an obsolete word (Or word form.) meaning vengeance. Wish they would have just said vengeance or taken the subtitle out entirely though.

 

[Roman Monaghan]

My thoughts are I feel like the only person in the world who fucking hates this game.

Someone please enlighten me on why so many people are pretending it's not a huge waste. It feels like Crackdown all over again.

Cause opinions man.

For a longer answer: Platinum makes great games in this genre, it doesn't affect Metal Gear Solid canon in any way, and the gameplay thus far has been really fun. Those are the three reasons I hear most.

Yeah hasn't ruined the canon in any way except totally missing the point about how Raiden is supposed to be a metaphorical representation of the player in the game. It's like, Raiden sucks, because you the person playing the game sucks. That was kinda the whole sub text of MGS 2. Then in MGS 4 he was metaphorical of the most bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the sub text.

In fact that kinda sums up Revengaence to me perfectly. Bland superficial elements of the series that people like while totally missing the point. It's like bad fan fiction. "AND I HATE ROSE SO SHE'S NOT IN THE GAME! AND THEN HE GETS A PET ROBOT DOG! AND THEN HE HAS A SUPER POWERED EVIL SIDE!!!"

The story blows ass and the gameplay isn't as good as Bayonetta, so what exactly justifies this games existence again?

You do know the story is Hideo Kojimas own? He wrote rising and just left platinum with the gameplay.
Raiden is just as Hideo wants him to be, and his "evil side" is actually brought up in MGS2 if I recall.

Okay, no it isn't. I'm sick of people fucking saying that like it excuses anything, because it isn't fucking true, and it doesn't fucking matter. Etsu Tamari wrote this game, not Kojima. He may have signed off on it, but that doesn't make it ok, we all remember Max Payne 3; it had approval from Sam Lake, but that didn't fix the fact the story was dog shit.

And furthermore, even if Kojima did write it, I fail to see how that'd excuse the stupid shit on display in this story. George Lucas wrote the prequel trilogies, we don't give those slack just because it was directly made by the 'father' of the franchise. When I see stupid shit, I don't care what asshole it sprang from, I'm still not eating it.

The "evil side" you're saying was brought up is a delusion you're creating to justify the garbage in this game. I'm not saying MGS 2 was perfect, in fact I think the game is unredeemable and not worth playing for many reasons, but the whole Raiden thing was awesome on a pure troll level. His past as a child soldier is brought up with the references and implications of child soliders in real life who are drugged to be pavlovianly conditioned to find pleasure in killing, associating the high of the drugs with the reward of killing an enemy. Raiden didn't have a bullshit "evil side", he enjoyed killing because he was trained to, because he still felt the rush of crack hitting his brain when he spilled an enemys blood, his mind no longer needing the actual substance of whatever they used to get that same high. Does this ever get brought up in Revengaence? No. Instead we get "JACK THE RIPPER!." Inexcusable, brainless, fanfic levels of idiocy.

So the story sucks, and whatever excuse you might bring up to justify it doesn't change that. And the gameplay is nothing god damn special, just because it's P* people give it a free pass, but compared to Bayonetta, Anarchy Reigns, hell even Veautiful Joe, there's nothing substantial for this game to offer us. I don't get why fans like this game considering it's such a betrayal - story wise, and I don't get why people who don't care like it for the gameplay when the gameplay is sub par and utterly fails to hold up against its forebears and competitors.

 

[Genocidicles]

I'll wait until it's cheaper before I get it.

No way in hell am I paying full price for a game starring Raiden.

 

[Rooster893]

I think it looks 110% awesome! I have to scrap together some money to get it.