So my friend thinks that internet piracy not only doesn't harm the music industry, but helps it
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Besides, the USA only cares about coast pirates:
To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas,
and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war,
grant letters of marque and reprisal,
and make rules concerning captures on land and water.
As stated in the constitution.
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To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas,
and offenses against the law of nations;
To declare war,
grant letters of marque and reprisal,
and make rules concerning captures on land and water.
As stated in the constitution.
Did i win yet?
The only way pirating can help the music industry is to kill it in its current form, which desperately need to happen. Also, your friend had some good points- a lot of band focus more on merch, tickets, and package record deals than their actual music. Its the way the industry is slowly moving. Hate to admit it, but Radiohead knows whats up.
You say "kill off record compnies" as though your talking about removing an old scab. Within those record companies are people with hearts and dreams and all that mushy stuff inside them that would make a certain starwars robot assasin label them as meatbags. The point is that this is still stealing and is therefore morally incorrect. I'm not telling you not to do it, far be it from me to make recommendations on your life, but I am just saying that it is still theft.Inarticulate_Underachiever said:
Something which in some countries warrants cutting a mans hand off.
Yeesh!
Sigh, this again.
Piracy has long became a scapegoat for any music, video and game industries to justify their own failures.
"What's that? Sales sinking? PIRACY!"
"What? we're loosing money?! PIRACY!"
"Little Timmy is stuck in a well? PIRACY!"
I can't be fucked giving the long explanation, but the bottom line is that piracy does affect the industry in some manner. But we have no honest and accurate idea how. Positive or negative. We haven't the slightest... All we can say is that it's existence affects the industry, but we honestly can't even accurately tell whether it's a good or bad thing.
Piracy has long became a scapegoat for any music, video and game industries to justify their own failures.
"What's that? Sales sinking? PIRACY!"
"What? we're loosing money?! PIRACY!"
"Little Timmy is stuck in a well? PIRACY!"
I can't be fucked giving the long explanation, but the bottom line is that piracy does affect the industry in some manner. But we have no honest and accurate idea how. Positive or negative. We haven't the slightest... All we can say is that it's existence affects the industry, but we honestly can't even accurately tell whether it's a good or bad thing.
Executioners are people with hearts and dreams too, yet people are against death penalty.Venatio said:
Nazis were people with hearts and dreams too, yet people are even now against Nazism.
Slightly stunted logic there, the headline acts will be the one's taking away a percentage, the support will be on a fee.cainstwin said:
Pluss you didn't factor in the costs of cd making, on a £13 record about £3 of that will be net profit to the band/label (don't forget the tax, stores, manufacturers, distributors and advertisers [if separate to the label, usually they are] all take a cut first). If it's an independant band all £3 is theirs, if they're on a label it's anywhere between £0.05 to £2.
Source: http://www.postaudio.co.uk/education/business/cd_breakdown.html
there's plenty other similar breakdowns on the web, all roughly agree.
£15k from 5000cd sales, assuming they get all the money. £15k could also be one middling sized headline gig. Ideally the band and label would like to get both, but it's a bit wrong to just say one is better than the other as a source of income for the band itself.
Would it hurt to write things the long way?cainstwin said:
Btw. It's not that a band shows up at a studio at one day and instantly writes and plays a load of new songs. There are months of work before actually having a few songs. A CD isn't made. And they take more than one day at a studio. The label also takes a huge cut. Artist don't see a lot from cd sales.
That doesn not even support piracy, that just demeans my argument. My point of view was between record companies and people who gyp their products off the web. Only the record companies were the victim. In your bloody smear you compared them to Nazis and Executioners. What the hell is wrong with you?insanelich said:
It depends on the label in question but many take quite a large cut of all sales of CD's in royalties, also it takes most (good) artists quite a bit of work to produce new and fresh materials, unless a band becomes worldwide superstars a large percentage of their income will be derived from tours and merchandise sales, with much of the money going towards the artists (though this also depends on the label). Hey I knew I learnt something from those business lessons.cainstwin said:
I care about the artist, but not the company. There's something to be said about having to pay for an album after the artist has passed away...
true, but the theory, I suppose, depends on your faith in the morality of most people. I believe that more than half of the people who like it would buy the c.d. , maybe your right, maybe not even a third would do what's morally right. In that case, I believe we have a bigger problem.cainstwin said:
Also, though, let's not cut out merch and concert sales, these help bands also, so if 5 fan's buy a c.d., a shirt, and a concert ticket (at venues bigger then a locale bar or pub) thats a good chunk of cash.