so....Not having children=Selfish?

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Vault101 said:
discussion value, have you or someone you know ever encountered this kind of attitude? can you explain why not having kids is some how selfish/non-selfish? and what do you think about it in general? [/B]
My wife and I both agree having kids right now would be a bad idea. We are way to poor and way too much of kids ourselves to support a child the way we would like to. We also decided that if we ever do have children it will be through adoption, because there are so many kids that no one wants that could use a good home. She always wanted to have a autistic child.

So I would say its not selfish. In fact I would go as far as to say having children can be selfish. There are far to many parents that have kids who don't belong having them. When your flat broke that you have to sell yourself for money you don't belong having children. To a bring a child into that world because you feel its your right to have one seems far more selfish than someone who doesn't want to have one because they want to just to alone together.
 

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Monoochrom said:
Wenseph said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Wenseph said:
I think that having more than one child is very selfish. The planet is already overpopulated and that's just you, who already had a child then gets another one for no real reason. It's not beneficial to anyone, except you and not really that either.

Adopting is kind of good I guess, but I wouldn't do it.
Um, but the country someone is living in may not be overpopulated. Looking at it on a global scale doesn't seem very productive. For instance in Japan they really could use more people having kids. Certain countries are overpopulated, others are not.
Yeah............................. Except that people in rich countries use a lot of the resources and adopting from overpopulated countries would still be better than getting more than one child.
Why would anyone go for damaged goods when they don't have to?
You're not the kind of person I want to discuss with.
Mortai Gravesend said:
Wenseph said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Wenseph said:
I think that having more than one child is very selfish. The planet is already overpopulated and that's just you, who already had a child then gets another one for no real reason. It's not beneficial to anyone, except you and not really that either.

Adopting is kind of good I guess, but I wouldn't do it.
Um, but the country someone is living in may not be overpopulated. Looking at it on a global scale doesn't seem very productive. For instance in Japan they really could use more people having kids. Certain countries are overpopulated, others are not.
Yeah............................. Except that people in rich countries use a lot of the resources and adopting from overpopulated countries would still be better than getting more than one child.
It's not necessarily simple to go and adopt a kid from an overpopulated country.
Maybe not, but that doesn't mean you should get several children just because you couldn't adopt. Maybe it should be made easier.
 

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Sleekit said:
Snippedy snip all of your posts :3

I'd just like to say thank you for providing such backward ass logic that were all "created to procreate". It just makes me laugh so much at how STUPID IT IS!, thanks!! *Continues to giggle*
 

Vault101

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Monoochrom said:
Wenseph said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Wenseph said:
I think that having more than one child is very selfish. The planet is already overpopulated and that's just you, who already had a child then gets another one for no real reason. It's not beneficial to anyone, except you and not really that either.

Adopting is kind of good I guess, but I wouldn't do it.
Um, but the country someone is living in may not be overpopulated. Looking at it on a global scale doesn't seem very productive. For instance in Japan they really could use more people having kids. Certain countries are overpopulated, others are not.
Yeah............................. Except that people in rich countries use a lot of the resources and adopting from overpopulated countries would still be better than getting more than one child.
Why would anyone go for damaged goods when they don't have to?
....I hope youre not talking about adopted kids

if I had to choose between having my own and adoption I wouls adopt...why? because I am giving that child a chance at a life that they might not have had otherwise, somone who loves them and can take care of them and give them a better chance...

and they arnt "damaged goods" they are children, possibly of a different race (if you go down that path) but that doesnt matter
 

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Mortai Gravesend said:
Wenseph said:
Monoochrom said:
Wenseph said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Wenseph said:
I think that having more than one child is very selfish. The planet is already overpopulated and that's just you, who already had a child then gets another one for no real reason. It's not beneficial to anyone, except you and not really that either.

Adopting is kind of good I guess, but I wouldn't do it.
Um, but the country someone is living in may not be overpopulated. Looking at it on a global scale doesn't seem very productive. For instance in Japan they really could use more people having kids. Certain countries are overpopulated, others are not.
Yeah............................. Except that people in rich countries use a lot of the resources and adopting from overpopulated countries would still be better than getting more than one child.
Why would anyone go for damaged goods when they don't have to?
You're not the kind of person I want to discuss with.
I have to say I agree there. That comment was just tasteless.

Mortai Gravesend said:
Wenseph said:
Mortai Gravesend said:
Wenseph said:
I think that having more than one child is very selfish. The planet is already overpopulated and that's just you, who already had a child then gets another one for no real reason. It's not beneficial to anyone, except you and not really that either.

Adopting is kind of good I guess, but I wouldn't do it.
Um, but the country someone is living in may not be overpopulated. Looking at it on a global scale doesn't seem very productive. For instance in Japan they really could use more people having kids. Certain countries are overpopulated, others are not.
Yeah............................. Except that people in rich countries use a lot of the resources and adopting from overpopulated countries would still be better than getting more than one child.
It's not necessarily simple to go and adopt a kid from an overpopulated country.
Maybe not, but that doesn't mean you should get several children just because you couldn't adopt. Maybe it should be made easier.
Maybe it should. But it seems like a bit of a big expectation that everyone be adopting kids from other countries. You're... kind of telling everyone else to stop reproducing and have all the future human race be the kids of people from those countries.
LOL. I think I missed the part where I did that, but go ahead, make shit up.

What I said was the planet is overpopulated and getting children is selfish, if you get more than one. Adopting would be good, if you really want more than one. If the planet weren't overpopulated anymore, than people could start having more children.
 

Vault101

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MetalMagpie said:
Vault101 said:
discussion value, have you or somone you know ever encountered this kind of attitude? can you explain why not having kids is somhow selfish/non-selfish? and what do you think about it in general? [/B]
I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick.

My mother's view is that people with children are less selfish than those without, but snip".
you that actually makes sense, and yeah, I can kind of see that

I sort of do respect the amount of effort/work/self sacrifice it takes to properly raise a child, and somtimes wonder how they can do it and not go insane

hence why I dont find it all that apealing :p
 

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I only skimmed your post, but it's selfish because you are jeopardizing the economy and stability of your country by refusing to have children. Every couple must produce at least two children on average to sustain your population, but since there are factors such as early death, sterility, homosexuality inhibiting us, couple must produce above 2 children or the population will dwindle over the years. Then of course there's the fact that the ratio of boys to girls is not equal, so even more children need to be produced.

Lowering the national reproductive rates to below the par required for sustaining to population results in age demographic imbalances. China is famous for it's one child policy they introduced to help counter overpopulation. This has been disastrous because it actually worked to an extent and since people stopped producing enough children, the country's average age is very high compared to most countries, it's a big problem when your country mostly contains seniors for obvious reasons.

Canada's population is actually at risk because too many people don't feel it's worth their time to have kids. Personally I think the government needs to offer more incentives to parents. Sure you will have welfare bums who will only benefit further from this, but more good will come of it than bad I think.

Former Premiere of British Columbia, Gordon Campbell made the situation a little worse in 2010 with the introduction of the new tax system. Yeah, let's tax all children's clothing and goods, I'm sure more people will have kids if we do that.
Mmm... no. Your point is wrong on several counts. See, on the one hand, I fail to see how choosing adoption over giving birth constitutes "jeapordizing the economy and stability of your country". If anything, you're giving someone a better life and turning someone who, from your point of view, would be a drag on society, into a benefit. Net gain, from your point of view, even assuming that your point is valid.

Which it isn't, because countries aren't closed systems. If there's one thing that Canada is big on (funny you should mention it), it's immigration. If you look at the demographic history of Canada, it's immigration that does all the damn work - not counting the First Nations peoples, EVERYBODY here is descended from immigrants. The immigration rate EXPLODED in the late 1800s, and it's been fluxing back and forth since, and once we stopped being racist about it, it's kept going. Yeah, people are saying they don't necessarily want to produce kids as much. But where are you getting those statistics? Cities, that are constantly expanding in order to keep up with the rising populations? It's not a CONCERN in cities, it's a concern in areas with lower populations, and they don't die out because "people don't feel like having kids any more", it's because changing economic factors.

Furthermore, this in no way is a patriotic duty, but I see you've already shifted your position towards a stance of a global necessity to maintain a certain population level. This ALSO makes no sense as the global population continues to grow massively, and while the growth rate in Canada may be slowing (Yeah, we do still have a birth rate higher than the death rate), it is MORE than balanced out by the fact that other global regions are growing like wildfire due to the increasing standard of living there.

And you're also operating on the assumption that the current global population level SHOULDN'T shrink, when there is no reason to think that. The points we should be concerned about are when the global population is too low to sustain sufficient genetic diversity (not happening short of uber-plague), or so high that resources become strained. As it is, there are many countries with high rates of malnutrition, and a few notable ENORMOUS countries that are industrializing, and as such will have the power to demand and acquire more resources. In short, maybe having less people, globally, might work out better?

By your logic, all women should be required, by law, to have children. There's clearly no need for this, despite your posturing, but this is such an enormous infringement upon personal liberties, basic human rights, that it boggles the mind.

So yeah, I sort of think your point isn't that good.

OT: I don't think I've ever encountered this attitude. Frankly, though I'll likely want kids in the future, I'll seriously consider adoption, because given the option, I'd rather that my children not be burdened with my genetic frailties. An attitude I do often encounter that I find somewhat confusing is the conviction not to have kids on the grounds that the person in question hates children. I don't really understand that, beyond an unfair projection of childhood troubles and insecurities onto children as a general group. Kids are people too, and it's always seemed rude that people discriminate against them as a group, just because they find some of them annoying.
 

Vault101

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Heimir said:
For the big picture of your own ethnic group, yes it is selfish and even dangerous. Look at all European peoples today. Most have 1 child or sometimes maybe 2. Everyone needs to have atleast 2 to have a stable population. Preferebly 3 and upwards. If you have 1 child you literally half your ethnic groups population as alot of others only have one. It's selfish and technically leads to a slow genocide of your own group.

No Pressure.

Wenseph said:
A great suggestion if one wants to add to the effect of the destruction of ones ethnic group, yes.
I dont mean to come across as overly rude..but...

who gives a shit? if white Australians die out in 100 years its not my fucking problem
 

Vault101

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Vault101 said:
yes, I know this is kind of the wrong kind of topic for....well a gaming site (full of people probably less inclined to get excited about babies), but hey Im bored and Ive been thinking of this

now Im going to go out on a limb here and say this gets labelled on you more if you are female, obviously because child rearing has always been "our" thing..but anyway
Ya you got that right.

There's groups that whine about it on reddit. I figure if you don't really, you know, give an idea of what brought this about, this discussion just doesn't seem to go anywhere.
well..we seem to be having some interesting discussions

nothing overly interesting, just a hot topic on some opinion blog I ocasionally go to

and its somthing I think about, right now I dont want kids.....Im not naive enough to think that I will NEVER want kids..theres every chance that will change (as it often does with people)

I mean having kids is somthing women are "suposed" to want..kind of, and I wonder if Ill ever change my attitude, I somtimes imagine myself older, without kids and wonder if Im fine with that

soo..uhh yeah, just my random introspection (<-Ive always wanted to use that word :D)